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I have thought of using different diffs under the zook, what have people done in this field??

I have thought of hilux and vitara. What needs to be done to fit hilux under a NT 85'

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Cheers NAM.

A lot of info on there.

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Don't do it use Zook diffs not Hilux.

hilux diffs been done to death.
be original try some thing different

What else could you use tho? Anyone know what Overkill is running in the rear of his new rig?

I thought it was a Vitara rear end but I could be wrong

If Told you I would have to kill you all
It is a Vitara rear diff A hilux housing is 1230mm long and the Vitara housing is 1330mm long so go with the Vitara diffs I know a really cool guy that makes these awsum vitara diffs for the front. :wink: :wink:

overkill wrote:I know a really cool guy that makes these awsum vitara diffs for the front. :wink: :wink:

I have heard this guy is a bit dodgey actually.....

I want to do zook all round, what is the price for the front diffs for the vitara, it will be going into a 85' drover NT

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the front diffs are IFS so I'd imagine that is alot of work :wink:

You can't go wrong with Hilux diffs. It's proven to be the most cheap and effective option.

yeah but you lose the diff clearance of a Zuk axle. Go with wide tracks and you can run a tyre upto about 34" with the the clearance equivalent to about 38" on most other vehicles.

exactly Grimbo, once you change to toyota diffs you loose half the advantage of owning a suzuki - the ground clearance factor.

after this weekend i reckon we'll know if 36's are going to run on those stock axels or not

it also means you need to buy new wheels as the stud pattern is different. So for a cheap effective swap the widetracs are the way to go

Ahh...good old axles

I've been doing a lot of research into the options available for planning the build up on my future zook. I think a lot of it depends on how much $$ you have available. If you wanted to build it in stages, say get it to 32s spoa etc, you'll probably put lockers/ratios etc in (I would at least as I'd want to be able to drive it), and then at a later stage if you want to go bigger and stronger it would probably be more effective to stay with a zook solution to keep existing parts..

Toys look like a great option but I dunno exactly how cheap they really are. You have to get the axles (and rebuild if required), drive shafts, adapt them to xfer and axles, worry about the off center rear (maybe cutdown an IFS rear, or look at a LC/Bundy axle but that = more weight and less clearance than even hilux diff and more $), less ground clearance, new ratios/lockers, brake lines, new x-over or histeer steering, even think about flares etc if you want to street it, that can all add up quickly..

If there was a "relatively" cheap, but descently strong zook axle solution, I'd go for it...

Murray i have been running 34" swampers on massively offset rims with NTs and a locked rear and 4.1 transfer case for about 2 years and haven't broken anything yet. I have just put a 6:1 transfer case in and will be testing it this weekend so we'll see but for Vic conditions the Sierra stuff has held up fine unless you 're into full throttle assaults on the tracks. Nice and slow works fine

I'd be looking to crawl (I love going slow..something I can't do now hehe) and will be doing as much rock playing as possible. So high grip driving would be the name of the game. I'm worried that with high traction, front locker, and zook axles the birfs will start going. Thought about rings but again, worried that will just move the weak point to the more expensive stuff, I'd rather break a birf than an R&P etc.. From what I've read, and what I saw at TT this year, 32s look like the safe limit, those with 33s were breaking stuff to easily for my liking.

And with the new Thorax coming out from Spidertrax in the US, I'd be looking to really crawl

grimbo wrote:Murray i have been running 34" swampers on massively offset rims with NTs and a locked rear and 4.1 transfer case for about 2 years and haven't broken anything yet. I have just put a 6:1 transfer case in and will be testing it this weekend so we'll see but for Vic conditions the Sierra stuff has held up fine unless you 're into full throttle assaults on the tracks. Nice and slow works fine

I totally agree with graham here.....it comes down to driving style...if u charge at stuff, or sit there spinning wheels etc, then you wil break stuff..simple..the slower the better, but at times u do need to go that extra bit harder....but not all the time

If u have wide track diffs then as far as i can see it is totally pointless going hilux diffs becuase uu r only getting an extra 2 inches width....

Me have only got a NT, LOL

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If u dont want to invest in new diffs then get rims with a big offset like what i am doing (eventually).....the same as what Sam is running....

I,ve been running 33" x 12.5",s for over 12 months, on & off road !!!
& sometimes I dont drive easy !! (something to do with standard gearing)
& I havent ever touched front diff , CV,s or axles !!!!!!
but have done 1 rear crown wheel !!!( took 1 tooth off !!)

nicbeer wrote:Me have only got a NT, LOL

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me too but still hasn't stopped me.

Does Anyone know the widths of Narrow and wide tracks as well as hilux?

v8zuki,


Now what`s wrong with something that`s been tried and tested and works very well. Do I have to create something else from scratch, not tested not as strong , cost me a bucket load of cash, R & D just to satisfy your " original" theory that there are stronger and cheaper, with parts off the shelf ready to fit, not having to custom make everything just to be your original concept.

Do you think we`re going to break Hilux front ends with Snakes high-steer, longfield - super axles & CV `s, landcruiser 6.16/1 R&P, on Suzuki lightweight frame and bodies.

I hope you don`t think Overkills front end is his original idea.

Better still , you come up with the goods, do all the bull$h1t testing required and then show us your goods. Will it be as cheap as shelved Hilux gear and more importantly be readily avaliable at the nearest wrecker. I think not.

I think Lux axles have been done to death for a very good reason.....they work!!

hehe should i tell people v8zuki is rolling on toyota diffs?

yeah hilux axles work but why bother there is a lot more involved than just bolting them on. There are new driveshafts, brake issues, steering plus the added size of the pumpkin which means you have to go to a bigger tyre to clear and then you start breaking stuff. Plus they need to be narrowed to legally fit under the zuk unless you want big ass flares to cover them.

We had the LJ on 36s out last weekend and he was driving some absolutely nuts lines on way steep hills and broke a cv driving backwards up a near vertical wall. Prety much any kind of axle would have broken. But my point is the standard wide tracks handled the 36s, front & rear lockers, twin transfer cases and a vitara engine no problems

Bentzook wrote:v8zuki,


Now what`s wrong with something that`s been tried and tested and works very well. Do I have to create something else from scratch, not tested not as strong ,

I hope you don`t think Overkills front end is his original idea.

Better still , you come up with the goods, do all the bull$h1t testing required and then show us your goods. Will it be as cheap as shelved Hilux gear and more importantly be readily avaliable at the nearest wrecker. I think not.

I have never said that it was my original Idea I think I actually told everyone that it was the same as what the yanks do.

Where would the sport end up if no-one tried or built anything that was different. And yes I am prepared to do all the testing and R&D as have the diff infront of my ZOOK now. Obviously a custom diff is going to be more expensive than an off the shelf item. As for the strength isue time will tell but most would say You can make a Dana 44 axle and uni joint stronger than a Hilux one ,Longfeilds or not.
Also the hybrid diff has more ground clearance.
Anyway each to there own