ruf and hilux fronts on rear

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 1:40 pm

ive done a search but couldn't find what i was looking for
i am after info on rears up front and hilux front springs on the back of my lwb trayback has anyone done this? What are the advantages (apart from more travel) Is it a smoother ride? Will it increase the wb much? What is the easiest way to mount them (front and rear)?

Post by **christover1** » Sat May 21, 2005 1:57 pm

flyinwall wrote:ive done a search but couldn't find what i was looking for
i am after info on rears up front and hilux front springs on the back of my lwb trayback has anyone done this? What are the advantages (apart from more travel) Is it a smoother ride? Will it increase the wb much? What is the easiest way to mount them (front and rear)?

I have been considering same thing, possibly for the same reasons.
But I haven't looked into it properely, yet, so will be watching this topic.
christover.

Post by **redzook** » Sat May 21, 2005 2:02 pm

flyinwall wrote:ive done a search but couldn't find what i was looking for
i am after info on rears up front and hilux front springs on the back of my lwb trayback has anyone done this? What are the advantages (apart from more travel) Is it a smoother ride? Will it increase the wb much? What is the easiest way to mount them (front and rear)?

is it a smoother ride?
id say it will be all depends on your final spring setup

willl it increase wb much?
depends where u put the hangers

whats the easiest way to mount them?
RUF will bolt up with a longer shackle
lux fronts in the rear is goin to need custom mounts

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:02 pm

lux fronts in the rear is goin to need custom mounts
can i just move the rear shackle mounts back
move "A" to "B" as in the pic

Post by **redzook** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:07 pm

flyinwall wrote:lux fronts in the rear is goin to need custom mounts
can i just move the rear shackle mounts back
move "A" to "B" as in the pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v240/ ... krear2.bmp

the springs wont fit in the front mounts

Post by **nicbeer** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:17 pm

Whats the lenght difference between hilux fronts and ferozas.

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:22 pm

no offence but i think some-one is wrong as these pics show and yes the rubbers are in there

Post by **redzook** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:31 pm

flyinwall wrote:no offence but i think some-one is wrong as these pics show and yes the rubbers are in there

tight fit?

as i am sure lux springs are wider then zuk ones

edit: just went and measured i have a set of lux front measure 60mm wide and zuks measure 50mm

so its either a tight fit or the lux bushes are skinny as

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:42 pm

it is a bit of a tight fit but it does fit
anyhow back to the tech side of thingscan i get away with just moving the rear shackle mounts to the back like in the picture above?

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:43 pm

i forgot to ask how much longer shackles would i need for the ruf?

Post by **redzook** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:44 pm

flyinwall wrote:it is a bit of a tight fit but it does fit
anyhow back to the tech side of thingscan i get away with just moving the rear shackle mounts to the back like in the picture above?

yes and it will move your rear diff back around 2.5/3 inches

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 3:54 pm

redzook do you know how long the shackles would have to be for the ruf?

Post by **built4thrashing** » Sat May 21, 2005 7:55 pm

i did RUF a coupla weeks ago and my shackles are only 110mm long hole to hole but i drilled new rear mounting holes 20mm back fron the original ones. this will leave ya front diff almost in the factory position. but the best thing to do while it is all apart is to drill new locating holes in the diff perch's and botom plates and move the diff forward 20mm. it wont affect steering at all. you will however have to extend your brakelines. (get swift caliper hoses)

Post by **flyinwall** » Sat May 21, 2005 10:15 pm

built4thrashing before i get the swift caliper hoses i have to get the diffs for them to mount to (i got 1lt nt diffs with drum brakes) but get this i got quoted from a major 4x4 wreckers (which will remail nameless) the sum of $630 each for front and rear diffs and then at another 4x4 wrecker (less than 2 km away) i got quoted $300 each so i wonder where i am going oh and the 2nd wreckers have a zook lwb trayback with a 4AGZE in it and he is going to put a turbo on it as well as the supercharger so there will be a twin charged lwb zook getting around (if you go to LCMP you will know which zook it is its GREEN(no its not mine)))

Post by **sierrajim** » Sat May 21, 2005 11:49 pm

If you're doing RUF do a chassis extension and move the diff forward, This will give you better clearance for tyres, better climbing abilities although depending on tyre size you may have to trim your headlight buckets a bit.

If the Hilux springs are a tight squeze into the zook hangers, make new ones or use Hilux ones. Thicker rubber bushes means better flex (generally). If they are tight to start with they will not flex as much.

PM Mud4by (the Suziworx guy) he's got some 5.12 ratio NT diffs and i'm pretty sure they're disc brake fronts too.

Post by **flyinwall** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:57 pm

hey seirrajim the zook i am rebuilding actually came from mud4b but i will pm him thanks for that

Post by **Drew** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:52 pm

Damn thought i was the only one twincharging a gze zook,oh well 1 shorty anyway,great minds think alike or is that evil minds :twisted:

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good luck with the zook flyinwall i think everyone has covered your question,you can see there are a few different ways of doing the spring swaps.

Post by **flyinwall** » Tue May 24, 2005 4:38 pm

thanks for all the input of good infomation from everyone you have all put my mind at ease with how hard i was thinking this was but it all appears to pretty much straight forward so now the search is on for some new spring mounts (spose ill have to check out the wreckers next week while im on hollidays) anyhow thank again for all the help

Post by **DeWsE** » Tue May 24, 2005 4:51 pm

Drew wrote:Damn thought i was the only one twincharging a gze zook,oh well 1 shorty anyway,great minds think alike or is that evil minds .

good luck with the zook flyinwall i think everyone has covered your question,you can see there are a few different ways of doing the spring swaps.

You will need a diff upgrade Drew

Post by **ljxtreem** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:01 pm

redzook wrote:
flyinwall wrote:no offence but i think some-one is wrong as these pics show and yes the rubbers are in there

tight fit?

as i am sure lux springs are wider then zuk ones

edit: just went and measured i have a set of lux front measure 60mm wide and zuks measure 50mm

so its either a tight fit or the lux bushes are skinny as

could grind the spring down, or just tap open the mount a little, they fit, iv done it.

Mock

Post by **flyinwall** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:04 pm

im not putting the gzte in mine but i am putting 1.3 nt (or wt) diffs in there as i only have the 1.0 lt nt at the moment (its taking its time but its coming together nicely, i might have it finnished by christmas (2010)).

Post by **flyinwall** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:08 pm

double post

Post by **flyinwall** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:09 pm

hey mock would grinding the spring down weaken it at all

Post by **redzook** » Tue May 24, 2005 5:49 pm

ljxtreem wrote:
redzook wrote:
flyinwall wrote:no offence but i think some-one is wrong as these pics show and yes the rubbers are in there

tight fit?

as i am sure lux springs are wider then zuk ones

edit: just went and measured i have a set of lux front measure 60mm wide and zuks measure 50mm

so its either a tight fit or the lux bushes are skinny as

could grind the spring down, or just tap open the mount a little, they fit, iv done it.

Mock

u could grind down any spring and make it fit :roll:

Post by **-Mick-** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:46 pm

ljxtreem wrote:
could grind the spring down, or just tap open the mount a little, they fit, iv done it.

Mock

that's a bit booty ain't it :lol:

I guess in theory shaving 2-3 mm off each side wouldn't hurt it

Still wouldn't do it though

Post by **alien** » Tue May 24, 2005 6:56 pm

yeah you'd think that it would cause the rest of the wider spring to have a levering effect on the thinner area - probably cause a lot of stress...

when i do the lux front all round we will make our own perches using lasercutting and welding =)

Post by **flyinwall** » Wed May 25, 2005 12:08 pm

yeah im gonna get propper mounts made up but i was just wondering about thats all (i dont like to risk stuffing the springs)

Post by **ofr57** » Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:41 pm

*dig*

I've got 2" BL and 2" spring and thinking on going with this idea for my LWB ute
question i got is since i got a BL will i have to still cut into the body to do the ruf :S ...

also i was thinking on just fitting the ruf and compensating the differant lenght spring with a longer shackle is this plausable?

how much should you set back the rear perch

Post by **CanberraMav** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:20 pm

You can just redrill the rear of the front springmount and compensate with a larger shackle. This does work but the critics will say your not getting the full effect of having a RUF.

My buildup has pictures of this but its not a LWB. Its the same though.
Check christovers thread also and note how he redrilled the springpad. I did this also so the front axle is moved forward.

Post by **nicbeer** » Tue Oct 24, 2006 2:36 pm

I have done both, Move the rear perch back 2" or redrill and also drill the spring pad. Works ok, maybe not to the best of the chassis ext way but at least this looks legal and they have not said anything about it.

I am going to look for some possibly early 808 mazda springs or f20 shatsu springs to play with.

Nic

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