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thinking of building a buggy, and was wondering if you are allowed to enter a single seater buggy in any of the comps here in OZ??

and if so, which ones??

have come up with a bit of a unique design plan that i really like, and just wondering if it was worth it as i want to compete when im finished it

hope you can help guys???

thanks NAM, i've heard about WEROCK and its one im definately interested in

i just had a quick read thru the rules and couldnt find anything about single seaters not being allowed, so looks like it could be a goer

are there any others out there????

Twisted wrote:thinking of building a buggy, and was wondering if you are allowed to enter a single seater buggy in any of the comps here in OZ??

and if so, which ones??

have come up with a bit of a unique design plan that i really like, and just wondering if it was worth it as i want to compete when im finished it

hope you can help guys???

So tell us more about this design!!

And tell us more about yourself!!!

Twisted wrote:are there any others out there????

Oh and at the moment i know of another 3 or 4 that should be ready by round 3 of WEROCK and then another 3 will be ready by the WEROCK finals in November!

POS wrote:

Twisted wrote:thinking of building a buggy, and was wondering if you are allowed to enter a single seater buggy in any of the comps here in OZ??

and if so, which ones??

have come up with a bit of a unique design plan that i really like, and just wondering if it was worth it as i want to compete when im finished it

hope you can help guys???

So tell us more about this design!!

And tell us more about yourself!!!

TELL THEM NOTHING JUST TURN UP AND KICK THERE ASS'S

Heres a link to another Single seater buggy!

http://ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthr ... 447&page=1

well its still only in design stages at the moment as im still saving up the money i need

but basically i'll use a little car like a daihatsu charade or a centra or something as a donor, something with a little lightweight east west motor in it

then i'll mount the motor where the passenger seat should normally go and run it north-south, with the drive shafts coming straight off the gear box, going to a pair of front 60 series cruiser diffs with 4wheel steer

in the end im hoping to run somewhere around a 38-42" tyre, but i dont know what the rules are with this tho

thats roughly about it anyway


Edit: Sorry guys Twisted is my mate and he just registered on my Computer. And the accidentily posted as me

Its not really that different. Trailcraft did this around 3 years ago. And there is another with a similar set up being built at the moment.

RUFF wrote:Its not really that different. Trailcraft did this around 3 years ago. And there is another with a similar set up being built at the moment.

Sweet, it seems there is heaps of buggys bein built atm, the more there is in competion the more variety the more entertainment it only gonna get better.

As i said it has been done before and although somewhat successfull it wasnt as impressive as i expected. There is another one that if not at the next round of W.E.Rock it will be at the finals around the corner from your place.

With this set up you dont realy need a Tcase as you allready have the reduction in the FWD diff (Usually around 4.1) but the problem here is its generaly a weak diff. And it also needs to be Locked up. So unless you can machine a locker for it your going to have to weld it which may not be strong enough.

Now the 60 series rear steer is also going to be a problem because although its going to be light its still going to bind a tyre somewhere and your going to break a CV or axle. Im not convinced a 30 spline Chromo long will cop Rear steer.

Do they really have about a 4.1, thats awesome, that's be heaps low when it was finished

Yes but as i said the Diff centres are usually not that strong so i think you will have strength issues here.

is there any way that the weakness could be overcome?
ie: get a spool made up instead of welding? or do you think that the gearbox overall will no stand up to the abuse?
what did the trailcraft buggie go like? what happened to it?

tuf045 wrote:is there any way that the weakness could be overcome?
ie: get a spool made up instead of welding? or do you think that the gearbox overall will no stand up to the abuse?
what did the trailcraft buggie go like? what happened to it?

It went ok. There were things it could drive that i couldnt. But as soon as you needed to climb something that needed som throttle it either crawled or Broke. But this was more the Suspension set up i beleive. And it usually broke a Cv from what the builder told me. They had heaps of trouble makinmg the Diff Centre strong enough enitially but i beleive they machined a spool to overcome this. This was running a Camira Motor and auto trans. The rig is still around but the Owner has gone soft and doesnt drive it much anymore. Actually i think Dave(owner) was allways soft but Matt(builder/spotter) had more patience then

Will be interesting to see how Pete's transaxle set up goes with the portal axles. Its running a honda V6 and Auto i beleive so should have a heap more HP.

is the v6/auto that petes gunna run is that the same sorta set-up is it??

RUFF wrote:

tuf045 wrote:is there any way that the weakness could be overcome?
ie: get a spool made up instead of welding? or do you think that the gearbox overall will no stand up to the abuse?
what did the trailcraft buggie go like? what happened to it?

It went ok. There were things it could drive that i couldnt. But as soon as you needed to climb something that needed som throttle it either crawled or Broke. But this was more the Suspension set up i beleive. And it usually broke a Cv from what the builder told me. They had heaps of trouble makinmg the Diff Centre strong enough enitially but i beleive they machined a spool to overcome this. This was running a Camira Motor and auto trans. The rig is still around but the Owner has gone soft and doesnt drive it much anymore. Actually i think Dave(owner) was allways soft but Matt(builder/spotter) had more patience then

well i don't think that you could say a camira is a real power house espeicaly with an auto. but with out going to a turbo 4 clyinder there wouldn't be many real powerful 4 banger engine gearbox combos.
maybe a v6 magna engine and gearbox don't know what the cost would be?

There seem to be a reasonable number of buggies in Europe running this sort of setup. VW golf/polo engines and transaxles are common. Usually with portals.

Another problem besides strength is finding a transaxle with low enough gearing. The more powerful the engine the higher the gearing.

It would be interesting to see someone build a buggy with a subaru drivetrain. The early MY (EA79/81??) came with a 3.9:1 transaxle, any up to an EA81/82?? turbo will bolt straight on (1.8L turbo). Or you could use a WRX engine but probably too $$$. Because it is a boxxer weight would be nice and low - Strength may still be a problem though.

Elmo wrote:is the v6/auto that petes gunna run is that the same sorta set-up is it??

Yes its a FWD Transaxle.

tuf045 wrote:well i don't think that you could say a camira is a real power house espeicaly with an auto. but with out going to a turbo 4 clyinder there wouldn't be many real powerful 4 banger engine gearbox combos.
maybe a v6 magna engine and gearbox don't know what the cost would be?

The magna Auto has strength issues in the Magna so im not sure how it would go in a Buggy.

ISUZUROVER wrote: Because it is a boxxer weight would be nice and low - Strength may still be a problem though.

Yes, very nice!

I like this, its not the set-up been discused here, but its a boxter engine and is hell cool!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... t=standage

its good reading about setups other than a rover v8 and LT230...

De-lux wrote:its good reading about setups other than a rover v8 and LT230...

Yes and there will be a lot more different ones soon

De-lux wrote:its good reading about setups other than a rover v8 and LT230...

You do realise that out of all the buggys now in OZ only two of them have that set-up!

POS wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote: Because it is a boxxer weight would be nice and low - Strength may still be a problem though.

Yes, very nice!

I like this, its not the set-up been discused here, but its a boxter engine and is hell cool!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... t=standage

Boxter engine, even better - time to hit porsche up for some sponsorship!!!

ISUZUROVER wrote:

POS wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote: Because it is a boxxer weight would be nice and low - Strength may still be a problem though.

Yes, very nice!

I like this, its not the set-up been discused here, but its a boxter engine and is hell cool!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... t=standage

Boxter engine, even better - time to hit porsche up for some sponsorship!!!

Yeah opps. i knew what i meant!

POS wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote:

POS wrote:

ISUZUROVER wrote: Because it is a boxxer weight would be nice and low - Strength may still be a problem though.

Yes, very nice!

I like this, its not the set-up been discused here, but its a boxter engine and is hell cool!

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthre ... t=standage

Boxter engine, even better - time to hit porsche up for some sponsorship!!!

Yeah opps. i knew what i meant!

No Problem. A Subaru SVX engine and transaxle would be cool too (flat 6 like a porsche).

POS wrote:

De-lux wrote:its good reading about setups other than a rover v8 and LT230...

You do realise that out of all the buggys now in OZ only two of them have that set-up!

currently @ 3 at the moment with a 4th one on its way soon

and plenty of v6's coming shortly

team Haultech is pumping out the buggies.

can the southern states keep up...