New Custom Bumper

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:23 pm

Thought I'd share my new bumper design with you guys so that you can bitch at it :finger:

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:31 pm

Take the spaces out of the file names, then try reposting the pics.

Post by **Slunnie** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:33 pm

Can't see it??? :scrambleup:

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:37 pm

(why aren't the pics showing?)

Post by **Slunnie** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:40 pm

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 7:55 pm

Let's try without the spaces in the file names...

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:10 pm

And some...

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:14 pm

(Thanks Dave)

Post by **DiscoDino** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:23 pm

Ok....here are the specs:

8mm Winch Basket connedted to 4 mountings per chassis side (the 2 original ones, 3/4" right behind it, and the 1/2" that is used on one side for the steering box).

With the help of the 2" BL, I was able to squeeze the M8274-50 6cm inside the grill, and start off on top of the chassis rails for the best approach angle possible (with A/C ducting).

The sides of the bumper are made from 50mm tube, backed by 6mm steel, and a diagonal of 30mm. I was able to highlift on the tip with BOTH front tires off the ground. A highlift mounting point was created under the shackle mounts for normal use.

Iintergrated the upper mount for the steering dampner relocation into the bumper, and it can be seen in one of the 4 pictures (actually hiding the rear-most bolt)

Ok, so there you have it...flame on!

Post by **landy_man** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:22 pm

well i might get flamed for my shiat photoshop work BUT

this is how i would have done it...

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:19 am

DiscoDino wrote:(Thanks Dave)

No probs...

Post by **DiscoDino** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 12:49 am

landy_man...that is physically impossible. If it were possible, I would have done it, but that would HIGHLY compromise the mounting points' strength relative to the higher winch basket. You see, we had to beef up the basket and add the furthest 4th bolt so as to ellude ANY rotational force done on the bumper assembly in weird winching angles (down and up, not sideways). The fact that the winch was tucked in VERY much and was above the chassis centerline, we had to make sure that the bolt on outriggers of the bumper were bullet-proof. So there you have it.

Post by **GURU** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 1:17 am

G'day

doesn't the tube that runs diagonally across the lights effect your lights performance?

If you were to run a non high mount winch do you think you would be able to make the bar not stick out as far? Just wondering. As I'm trying to work out if i will run a Hi mount or a low mount

Post by **DiscoDino** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 2:23 am

DAS,

The diagonals barely affect the lighting. I'll have 4 lights on a custom "low-mount" roof bar, and 2 fog lights on the bumper itself, so they should be handy when needed.

The bumper was designed for the M8274. I have been wanting this winch for 7 years now, so whatever was necessary to fit it would be/was done. If you are contemplating going with a planetary, then you can easily gain 5-7 cm of bumper inset, but in all honesty, go with the hi-mount.

Post by **max200tdi** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:21 am

Seems to sit a long way forward. Whats the approach angle like? My hi-mount is only just clear of the grille - sits wholly withing an ARB bar.

Together with Lightforce 240s, it very efficiently blocks air fow. But thats another problem next summer.

Regards
Max P

Post by **Bodge** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:58 am

Nice.

Its a pity that you couldn't get it back further - never thought I would be glad to have no air-con...

Get a hawse fairlead though - the ol' rollers stick out a mile

I can see where you are going Landy-man but you just cut the bottom off the winch too....

Post by **landy_man** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 3:44 pm

Bodge wrote:I can see where you are going Landy-man but you just cut the bottom off the winch too....

that is why I like a low mount....i like bars that are small and unobtrusive but still do the job

Post by **DiscoDino** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 4:26 pm

I'll be slapping in an aluminium hawser fairlead when the plastic rope arrives. Should help in the approach angle department. My setup has WAY a better angle than an ARB, that is for sure.

Post by **Bodge** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:17 am

I dig that bumper landy_man...

As there is a bit more room in the front of an old rangie I did manage to get my 8274 in further.

This is post welding and pre painting obviously - it was tempting to leave it though - matched the rest of the rangie

Yes its since been painted - just planning to chop the corners diagonally back from the chassis rail to the corner to improve the angle and get rid of the roller in favour of a hawse...

Post by **auto_eng** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 10:37 am

DiscoDino,

First I think the bar looks great. I would have some reservations about the bars going across the headlights from an enginering point of view.

Low beams headlamps have specified ligth distribution and intensity requirements. The bar across them would affect this. I'm going to assume the headlamp functions as a parker (position) lamp and and a low/high beam headlamp. The function of all of these would be compromised. Major bar manufactureres usually mount additional front position (the white one) and indicator on the bar to alleviate and problems with reduced visibilty of the original items on the vehicle. Then try not to affect the visibilty of the low/high beam. (Visibilty of low beam is 15 degrees up, 10 degrees down, 45 degrees outward and 10 degrees inward)

You have said you have additional lamps fitted. Fog lamps are not meant to be mounted any higher than the low beam lights. Should be ok on that point.
I'll assume the lights on the roof are driving lights/spot lights. There are no height requirements for this type of light but state to state you get interpretations of the ability of them to be fitted to the roof so yo could be ok on this point.

With the additional lamps you may have ammended and reduced visiblity of the main beam but that is probably it. Front position, Front indicator and Low beam could still be comprimised.

Like I said at the beginning I think the bar looks great. Just trying to give you a look in from the other side of the fence. Don't mean to be a kill-joy.

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:37 am

auto_eng wrote:DiscoDino,

First I think the bar looks great. I would have some reservations about the bars going across the headlights from an enginering point of view.

Low beams headlamps have specified ligth distribution and intensity requirements. The bar across them would affect this. I'm going to assume the headlamp functions as a parker (position) lamp and and a low/high beam headlamp. The function of all of these would be compromised. Major bar manufactureres usually mount additional front position (the white one) and indicator on the bar to alleviate and problems with reduced visibilty of the original items on the vehicle. Then try not to affect the visibilty of the low/high beam. (Visibilty of low beam is 15 degrees up, 10 degrees down, 45 degrees outward and 10 degrees inward)

You have said you have additional lamps fitted. Fog lamps are not meant to be mounted any higher than the low beam lights. Should be ok on that point.
I'll assume the lights on the roof are driving lights/spot lights. There are no height requirements for this type of light but state to state you get interpretations of the ability of them to be fitted to the roof so yo could be ok on this point.

With the additional lamps you may have ammended and reduced visiblity of the main beam but that is probably it. Front position, Front indicator and Low beam could still be comprimised.

Like I said at the beginning I think the bar looks great. Just trying to give you a look in from the other side of the fence. Don't mean to be a kill-joy.

Maybe they aren't quite as strict on these things in the Middle East?

Post by **auto_eng** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:20 pm

Probably right there. Sometimes forget not everyone on this site lives in Australia. If there are no rules governing these things in the Middle East I guess I can retract my previous post and replace it with:

The bar look great.

Post by **landy_man** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:43 pm

when I was in egypt..the blokes there told me that to get their drivers licence all they had to do was drive forward 15m then reverse for 15m........ :shock:

perhaps things like lights are optional in the middle east

Post by **DiscoDino** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 9:56 pm

Yeah, no laws about lights and crap like that hree in the Middle East. The bar accross was the easiest/best way to provide verticle resistance to the tip of the bumper. Proof is that I high-lifted BOTH sides at the same time with both front wheels off the ground and the whole assembly did not move. So thanks for the "The bar look great."

The fog lights will be on the bumper, and the other auxiliary ones on a sleek roof-mount.

The driving licence stroy is kinda right, but that is the leagal part of it, most people around here start driving when they are able to reach the peddles AND the steering wheel at the same time (being 1.88m tall, I can tell you that I started driving at the tender age of 13 on a 1973 VW beetle).

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:22 am

Have you got a pic of your sleek roof mount?

Post by **DiscoDino** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:30 am

not yet. Should be done in a couple of weeks. Will post pics when done. It'll be sporting 4 Hella FF100 (or 300)

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Sat Jul 19, 2003 12:35 am

DiscoDino wrote:not yet. Should be done in a couple of weeks. Will post pics when done. It'll be sporting 4 Hella FF100 (or 300)

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