MTR's or BFG A/T's

[77F1004WD]

I'm getting new tyres in a 285/75/16 or 305/70/16 this week.
My GQ only does road driving, are the BFG A/T's going to be any better on the tarmac than MTR's?
I have done a search but couldn;t find any specific feedback on the above comparison.

Thanks

[grazza]

One is a Mud Terrain, the other is an All Terrain.

Pretty obvious.

[procompman]

mate go for the bfg muds u will get heap more km out of them at least 70 000 km out of them. the mtrs dont last long at all have heared people only getting 30 000km out of them

[92mav]

go the mtr's you will be dissapointed with the bfg at

[daihatsu_man]

go the mtr's you will be dissapointed with the bfg at

he said it only does road driving

[RaginRover]

mate go for the bfg muds u will get heap more km out of them at least 70 000 km out of them. the mtrs dont last long at all have heared people only getting 30 000km out of them

55,000k out of my mtrs so far

most sets last at least that long

Tom

[bad_religion_au]

go the mtr's you will be dissapointed with the bfg at

he said it only does road driving

yeah and most likely he will be dissapointed by the bfg AT. i've had bald hancook muddies that had more wet weather grip than my AT's had at 80% tread. they handle like shit on my cruiser (even muddies are much better ONROAD) and i don't dare take it out if it's busy and raining, they are purely that bad on road in the wet.

[77F1004WD]

go the mtr's you will be dissapointed with the bfg at

he said it only does road driving

yeah and most likely he will be dissapointed by the bfg AT. i've had bald hancook muddies that had more wet weather grip than my AT's had at 80% tread. they handle like shit on my cruiser (even muddies are much better ONROAD) and i don't dare take it out if it's busy and raining, they are purely that bad on road in the wet.

That's the sort of feedback i was looking for. I had a set of new MTR's, and they are awesome on the road in the wet. As for wear, i only did about 1500km's on them so i cannot speak for durability.
Only thing was the MTR's was louder than i would have liked, but i guess you have to expect that being a MT.

[redzook]

WHY?

i dont understand why u would want agressive tires when u dont go offroad why not get road tires?

[grazza]

WHY?

i dont understand why u would want agressive tires when u dont go offroad why not get road tires?

Exactly, you will get better economy, better braking, quieter, better grip with road tyres (HT) than AT or even worse MT tyres.

My MTR's are bloody dangerous in the wet on road. I hope I never need to emergency brake with them at speed.

I go offraod a lot - there is no way I would have an MT tyre if I didnt.

[77F1004WD]

WHY?

i dont understand why u would want agressive tires when u dont go offroad why not get road tires?

Exactly, you will get better economy, better braking, quieter, better grip with road tyres (HT) than AT or even worse MT tyres.

My MTR's are bloody dangerous in the wet on road. I hope I never need to emergency brake with them at speed.

I go offraod a lot - there is no way I would have an MT tyre if I didnt.

I Have used brand new MTR's in the wet on road, and they were awesome (don;t know about old hard ones), and then above they say that BFG A/T's are slippery

yeah and most likely he will be dissapointed by the bfg AT. i've had bald hancook muddies that had more wet weather grip than my AT's had at 80% tread. they handle like shit on my cruiser (even muddies are much better ONROAD) and i don't dare take it out if it's busy and raining, they are purely that bad on road in the wet.

[RaginRover]

WHY?

i dont understand why u would want agressive tires when u dont go offroad why not get road tires?

Exactly, you will get better economy, better braking, quieter, better grip with road tyres (HT) than AT or even worse MT tyres.

My MTR's are bloody dangerous in the wet on road. I hope I never need to emergency brake with them at speed.

I go offraod a lot - there is no way I would have an MT tyre if I didnt.

Seriously ???

Mate on a wet road I have tested, emergency braked and done everything to try and make them go sidways and I couldn't.

I believe they are one of the safest more aggressive tyres that actually stop brilliantly - the michellen tyres that come stock with my rangie are only marginally better.

I have had two punctures in time I have owned them, one wrote off a tyre - large piece of pine through the tread right on the edge - tyre was two years old at that stage, second was a roofing teck screw which didn't go flat - I heard the head wearing down for a week and had a bit of a look.

The two stores I took these tyres two both agree that they are much safer in the wet vs the bfg mud (I know that is not what we are talking about)

I can't imagine in what situation they wounldn't be safe in on the road I let my wife drive the car all the time without any worry. If yours go pearshaped in the wet there must be other factors at work.

Buy them, they are strong and have an excellent load rating (the 16in ones) are strong, safe and you never have to worry about driving around in the rain and you should get a couple of years of wear out of them as I said before I have around 55,000k and two years

Tom

[bad_religion_au]

well i just slit the sidewall open on my AT's. have i mentioned i hate these tires?

[grazza]

Well Tom maybe there is something amiss with my vehicle combination with MTR's.

I must admit I did not have the car long before fitting the MTRs.

I drive a SWB GQ Patrol and I see a huge difference in grip between wet and dry - much more than my other (road) cars.

They have done 40,000kms.

There are corners that I know like the back of my hand where they just grip well in the dry and breakout predictably, which I have to take at half the speed in the wet. I know this sounds like any car/tyre difference in the wet but the MTRs are scary.

Now maybe the MTR's are better than other MT's in the wet, but the bloke who posted this topic was asking about MT verses AT tyres, and AT's are more appropriate for road use than MTs. And HT's are more appropriate than AT's.

I find it hard to believe that any Mud Terrain tyre is better in the wet than an AT or HT tyre. MT's are made to disperse MUD, not water. And my MTR's are not much good at mud, but they are great on rocks.

[bru21]

bfg at's suck on road. i had a new set for a few months and was glad when the claw radials were better on road, tram tracked less and were quieter most of the time. the sharp edges on the at's love sand digging too. i only had 33's

[bad_religion_au]

I drive a SWB GQ Patrol and I see a huge difference in grip between wet and dry - much more than my other (road) cars.

They have done 40,000kms.

Now maybe the MTR's are better than other MT's in the wet, but the bloke who posted this topic was asking about MT verses AT tyres, and AT's are more appropriate for road use than MTs. And HT's are more appropriate than AT's.

I find it hard to believe that any Mud Terrain tyre is better in the wet than an AT or HT tyre. MT's are made to disperse MUD, not water. And my MTR's are not much good at mud, but they are great on rocks.

read the topic again. he specifically asked about MTR's VS BFG AT's. and your pretty naive if you think AT's are better than MT's on road. radial claws have been the best wet weather tires i've ever driven on a 4byincluding Highway terrains. BFG allterrains are the WORST wet weather tire i've ever driven on...

[toyotroop]

I got four new bfg at's for the troopy, it was raining the day i got them... anyhow i was coming down the street and just before i turned into my street the backs let go and i went into a sideways slide... i checked the air pressure and it was too high so i went down to 38 and its never happened since (ive even foolishly tryed to re create the slide and it wouldnt let go) i never drop pressure on sand and ive never had a bog.. and after two yrs i have 80% tread... Im happy

[bad_religion_au]

I got four new bfg at's for the troopy, it was raining the day i got them... anyhow i was coming down the street and just before i turned into my street the backs let go and i went into a sideways slide... i checked the air pressure and it was too high so i went down to 38 and its never happened since (ive even foolishly tryed to re create the slide and it wouldnt let go) i never drop pressure on sand and ive never had a bog.. and after two yrs i have 80% tread... Im happy

i've tried different tire pressures on the street from 25 psi - 40 and still have had huge issues with wet weather... also you should lower your sand pressure to minimise impact on the environment as well as prevent bogging

[bru21]

the bfg's have too flat a tread and there are no sideways direct paths for water to travel they aqua plane big time.

I have just bought my 3 set of radial claws, i have access to all tyres in all price ranges. why would i buy these for my road set if they wern't the best. I have a race set too. the claws are so good. a cooper or m/thom street tyre would be better but if you drive on street tyres you REALLY need to reassess your vehicle choice.

at 35psi my claws could slide the rear of my then unweighted tray if i nailed on a corner in the rain. with 18psi which i settled on at the rear they were safe as any directional street tyre i have driven on like a dunlop sport on my au for example.

If wet weather is the problem go for bigger voids not more rubber. most muddies have a bad rap as they are too hard cooper are death traps. I had a half worn set that i bought for $300 i thought about it and didn't run them. they are that bad i couldn't live with myself if i killed my gf or whatever driving them in the wet so i got rid of them to someone who was using to set up his truck and not street drive them. bfgs are pretty close. softness does not directly equal how long they last. How do i know that - I am a lab tech and i do shore a test most days. the soft radials are the go fir rain no question.

bfg at's do not fit any market group. not agressive or thick plyed enough for gravel fire roads, too sharp for beach use, to small voids for mud and do not clean themselves, dangerous in the wet, noisy especially when worn etc etc etc

radials are not dearer than mtrs as you sell them when 3/4 or 1/2 and get more dollars back so its just the investment increases not the running cost.

mtrs are ok but 2 mates have gone back to radials after using them in mud. they are pretty good everywhere but mud. noisy as well.

to be honest i don't know many tyres in the street market. I would see our teams supporter Ryano at fourby's and ask him. he is a tyre god, and i went to him for tyres before i got sponsorship so its honest advice and he sells all


cheers bru

[bogged]

WHY?

i dont understand why u would want agressive tires when u dont go offroad why not get road tires?

Exactly, you will get better economy, better braking, quieter, better grip with road tyres (HT) than AT or even worse MT tyres..

I would agree with that.

My MTR's are bloody dangerous in the wet on road. I hope I never need to emergency brake with them at speed..

I would disagree with that lots. Wish I had them now :(

I go offraod a lot - there is no way I would have an MT tyre if I didnt.

I would agree with that.

[Utemad]

As has been said if your 4wd never sees dirt then why not get a hway tyre?

I had BFG A/Ts (KO) and got 70k out of them. They are still legal and sitting in the garage. I slid out the rear on them once when I went too fast into a wet corner when they were cold. However that is once in 70k. I now have MT/Rs and they seem to grip better on the road. Heaps better off road. However they are heaps noisier too.

MT/Rs have done about 15k since February.

The BFG A/T were 225/75 16
MT/Rs are 31x10.5x15

I suspect the size has a lot to do with it too. I could spin the smaller A/Ts on bitumen but not a chance with the MT/Rs. I just did my first beach trip on the MT/Rs and they were heaps better than the A/Ts but then size comes into it again.

Never had a puncture with either tyre. The BFG A/T chipped and scarred really badly on rocky tracks. Most likely because they would spin where the MT/Rs will grip.

This is for a Rodeo dual cab.

I wouldn't get either of these tyres for a 100% road driver.

[77F1004WD]

Thanks for the feedback guys.
My reasoning for not getting a HT tyre, is trying to find a good quality one in that size, being 285/75/16.
Can anyone recoemend one to me?
Thanks

[bad_religion_au]

As has been said if your 4wd never sees dirt then why not get a hway tyre?

I had BFG A/Ts (KO) and got 70k out of them. They are still legal and sitting in the garage. I slid out the rear on them once when I went too fast into a wet corner when they were cold. However that is once in 70k. I now have MT/Rs and they seem to grip better on the road. Heaps better off road. However they are heaps noisier too.

MT/Rs have done about 15k since February.

The BFG A/T were 225/75 16
MT/Rs are 31x10.5x15

I suspect the size has a lot to do with it too. I could spin the smaller A/Ts on bitumen but not a chance with the MT/Rs. I just did my first beach trip on the MT/Rs and they were heaps better than the A/Ts but then size comes into it again.

Never had a puncture with either tyre. The BFG A/T chipped and scarred really badly on rocky tracks. Most likely because they would spin where the MT/Rs will grip.

This is for a Rodeo dual cab.

I wouldn't get either of these tyres for a 100% road driver.

my problem wasn't oversteer with the All terrains, it was understeer... oversteer's less scary

[flylux]

Are you talking goodyear MTRs?
I've got them on my Lux and I love them. Never had a prob with them, and they've been thrashed. I've put about 55000 km on them (on 2 different cars) and nearly due for new ones now.
As for BFGs though, I've staked a MT and an AT both just on dirt roads, so I'm not real keen on them.
But if your talking just for road, I can't bear to hear the soft MTR rubber wearing away when I'm cornering, so i'd be thinking some kind of highway tyre. Or maybe Goodyear wrangler ATs.

[Jeeps]

My MTR's are bloody dangerous in the wet on road. I hope I never need to emergency brake with them at speed.

I disagree to that too.

I've run BFG AT's for the last 2 years and they were woeful onroad. The MTR's are like velcro onroad, even in the wet. The MTR's are even smoother and give a better ride, but that might just be a SWB thing.

After using MTR's i won't ever go back to BFG AT's and i use my tyres mostly onroad.

[bru21]

my problem wasn't oversteer with the All terrains, it was understeer... oversteer's less scary

oversteer is where the passenger shits themselves, understeer is when the driver shits themself

[HotFourOk]

A big 4wd hanging it out round a corner is always funny to watch
just looks wrong.. lol

[alki]

I had two sets of BF AT and am now on second set of MT/Rs.
With BF's I've done 50000km(on each set)before discarding them.
First set of MT/R's lasted 40000,second set has about 20000 and is half worn.
It's safe to say that BF AT last longer.
On the other hand MT/R's handle better in all conditions including bitumen.
Last week I lent two of my tyres to my BIL to compare them directly with BF AT.(he was complaining about wet weather handling of BF's and wanted to know if MT/Rs are any better)
He's got 4.8 Patrol so lot of power to spin rear wheels.
After half an hour drive on MT/R's he's gona sell his half worn BFG AT and get MT/R's.
MT/R's are heaps better on wet bitumen than BFG AT

[bad_religion_au]

oh the one thing i can say for the bfg all terrains (old compound i've been told) is that their still legal tread and they've covered roughly 120 000k's

[-Nemesis-]

Isn't that one of the issues, and confusing things about modern BFG debates? People rate them, but end up raving about a tyre no longer available.
The theory is that the new style BFG's aren't what the old style are cracked up to be......