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I want to auto the MQ sometime over the next few months.....

if i run the Turbo 700 non electronic version behind the V8.......

what transfer is the better option behind it....

i want to run something thats got similar ratios as now but later on want to be able to put crawler gears in it....

was thinking either GQ transfer or 60 series cruiser transfer?

this is only for my current patrol not for the mod project which will run a twin stick modded transfer.....

screwy

out of the two you have listed i will go the 60series transfer. It is offset like the MQ and im surew you can get crawler gears for it in the future.

lt230, then you have the outputs matched up. Strong case and good stock gearing too.

basketcase wrote:lt230, then you have the outputs matched up. Strong case and good stock gearing too.

Yep 3.3-1 transfer gears from stock.4.3-1 and 4.9-1 gears available localy. Gears that i have never heard of a failure except for when they are run out of oil. The ability to do front and rear diggs. The only down side is they are constant 4wd. And as far as i know Haultech are the only ones making an adapter to go from the T700 to the LT230. And we havent worked out a shifter mount for them yet as we have not needed to on any of the adapters we have made so far.

what ratios does the MQ transfer run?

Be wary of the t700, might end up costing you. Gq auto and transfer? Reputation as much stronger auto. Buying adaptor for v8 to auto is about $400, compared to t700 to tcase $1000+.

You don't want the lt230 1.2: 1 high range on the road unless you are 35"+ tyres. I know you can get 1: 1 high range lt230 but who's selling them? Altho part time kit for these is available, it's another $600 or so.

For the GQ u need valve body work ($800), the adaptor (mentioned above- $400) plus the auto and transfer (and dual kit later on).

A worked t700 is $3750 from wholesale automatics but even then not in same league strength wise apparently- then u need adaptor to tcase + replace output shaft.

If haultechs adaptor doesn't suit you for the t700 you could go t400 and get an adaptor from marks to lt230 or use the rover zf auto and lt230 then get adaptor from the rod shop to join the zf and 308 together.

lt230 is a rover case yeh?

im on 38s.... MQ transfer is 2.1 to 1 low range.....

if the lt230 is 3.3 to 1 or watever it is from stock then it might be a much better option for me.....

would i be better off just going the rover auto and the lt230 transfer and buying the adapter for the motor???

wat sort of money are these autos and transfers worth... and will they hold up to the V8 with 38s and stock gearing without stuffing up or do i need to mod it up to make it stronger?

screwy

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:lt230 is a rover case yeh?

im on 38s.... MQ transfer is 2.1 to 1 low range.....

if the lt230 is 3.3 to 1 or watever it is from stock then it might be a much better option for me.....

would i be better off just going the rover auto and the lt230 transfer and buying the adapter for the motor???

wat sort of money are these autos and transfers worth... and will they hold up to the V8 with 38s and stock gearing without stuffing up or do i need to mod it up to make it stronger?

screwy

Yes lt230 is Rover.

You should be able to get a whole rover with the gear under a $1000.

The transfer case will be strong enough. Thats what is in every single haultech buggy. I think there are things you can do to make then stronger but don't know if its needed. Ask tony, sam or adrian about that.

I don't know about the auto. Might come down to whats available and cost. You should be able to get a whole rover with the gear under a $1000. Don't know how much T400's go for but it would probably need a shift kit if your going to drive it on road, where as the zf would not.

basketcase wrote:

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:lt230 is a rover case yeh?

im on 38s.... MQ transfer is 2.1 to 1 low range.....

if the lt230 is 3.3 to 1 or watever it is from stock then it might be a much better option for me.....

would i be better off just going the rover auto and the lt230 transfer and buying the adapter for the motor???

wat sort of money are these autos and transfers worth... and will they hold up to the V8 with 38s and stock gearing without stuffing up or do i need to mod it up to make it stronger?

screwy

Yes lt230 is Rover.

You should be able to get a whole rover with the gear under a $1000.

The transfer case will be strong enough. Thats what is in every single haultech buggy. I think there are things you can do to make then stronger but don't know if its needed. Ask tony, sam or adrian about that.

I don't know about the auto. Might come down to whats available and cost. You should be able to get a whole rover with the gear under a $1000. Don't know how much T400's go for but it would probably need a shift kit if your going to drive it on road, where as the zf would not.

very interesting....

basically, wat im after is a cheap way to get an auto under this MQ has im building my new one and i want all my money to go into that...
this one i just want to improve abit for this years comps as my new one wont be ready till TTC next year......

so i would love auto with a little better gearing.... will save me CVS cause i wont be gunning it, ill be much less on the go peddle and gearing should be better.....

options?

screwy

are these range rover or land rover?

wat year models they come in? etc

screwy

Screwy_ScrewBall wrote:are these range rover or land rover?

wat year models they come in? etc

screwy

Range Rover and Land Rover. Think the lt230 came out from 86 onwards. Look in to Rover section. All the info is there.

You'll never be off the go pedal Jeff !!!

The LT230 also has a centre differential plus manual diff lock, which could be useful. Is that correct? Someone?

Jason

hhhmmmmmm

will get to back to the drawing boards and see what i can come up with

if you go rover its normaly suggested u upgrade the center diff with a maxi setup for strength....



comon jeff u just want digs

slosh wrote: A worked t700 is $3750 from wholesale automatics but even then not in same league strength wise apparently- then u need adaptor to tcase + replace output shaft.

ouch on the price.

replacin the output shaft is only for the hilux transfer case from memory.

The output shaft on the t700 to suit the lt230 doesnt need to be modified at all which is one less thing to worry about.

this rig, i just want the cheapest option to get abit better crawl and to improve my CVs lasting time......

the new rig will be able to DIG

The LT230 was fitted to all Range Rovers from 1985-1989 (then switched to the borg-warner chain-drive case with a viscous-coupling centre and no diff lock), Land Rovers from Late 1985 until presently, and Discoveries from 1989 until presently. All had the same ratios. Some disco T-cases (2000-2003ish) didn't have a centre diff lock but it can be retrofitted.

The auto boxes used with the LT230 were:
Torqueflite 727 (3 speed auto) - Range rovers - not sure of years??? This might be a good option - this box is strong, but a bit of a slug behind a 3.5L V8 - so rangies with this box are very cheap. Some sources say the torquflite was introduced in 1983 - not sure if the LT230 was available then???

All others had the ZF HP22.

Also LT77, LT77s, LT85 and R380 5 speeds were used with the LT230.

slosh wrote:Be wary of the t700, might end up costing you. Gq auto and transfer? Reputation as much stronger auto. Buying adaptor for v8 to auto is about $400, compared to t700 to tcase $1000+.

You don't want the lt230 1.2: 1 high range on the road unless you are 35"+ tyres. I know you can get 1: 1 high range lt230 but who's selling them? Altho part time kit for these is available, it's another $600 or so.

For the GQ u need valve body work ($800), the adaptor (mentioned above- $400) plus the auto and transfer (and dual kit later on).

A worked t700 is $3750 from wholesale automatics but even then not in same league strength wise apparently- then u need adaptor to tcase + replace output shaft.

Apparently there GM made running improvements with the 4L60E version (VS Commodore on). It is supposedly a fair bit bit stronger. Advanced Automatics in Bayswater, Vic. does a rebuild of either ~$2500 for the basic unit. They seem to replace a considerable amount of hardware in the process. Early T700 were known to be weak.

Hilux Gear drive tcase???? Cheap as, reportedly strong, and plenty of gearing choices.

DAMKIA wrote:Hilux Gear drive tcase???? Cheap as, reportedly strong, and plenty of gearing choices.

They still break, so i hear. Even with 4cly engine.

Just cut to the chase, sell your wife, sell your soul, what ever you need to do and get an atlas.

And the hilux is still 1:1 high. Not real flash for high range on 38"s.

mad_landie wrote:if you go rover its normaly suggested u upgrade the center diff with a maxi setup for strength....

how much ?

hypozook wrote:

mad_landie wrote:if you go rover its normaly suggested u upgrade the center diff with a maxi setup for strength....

how much ?

Tony would know more than me on that one