Hi all,
This is my first post here and I dont know to much about Toyota's. (Have owened a few patrols) and while looking for a 4x4 diesel patrol I thought I might check out the Landcruiser as well.
I have been reading though a lot of other post on here including the bible. But thought I might ask a few questions of my own.
I have a budget of about 15 - 18. I dont want a rock hopper but something that would suit touring and long distance camping trips.
I am going to have a look at a few on the weekend and would like some tips on what to look out for. EG common problems like the big end bearings on the TD. What should I look for in services. I am looking at 1 that is a 94 model 4.2 td with 200,000 km's on the clock. What should I be aware of at 200,000 km's?
Sorry for being long winded but have never had a landcruiser I known anyone who has so I know nothing about them besides what I have read on this forum. Thanks all for your help
Toli
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buying an 80 series *Now have one*
Last edited by Toli on Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: buying an 80 series
at 200,000km you are due for a timing belt ($200 ish), injector service ($700 ish), and it is a good idea to at least have a diesel specialist give the pump a once-over, which could be anything fomr $300 to $1500 depending on what needs replacing. this is all on top of the usual service items so oil, fuel, air filters, etc. use these big dollar service items to drive the price down. If the big end bearings have not been repplaced the need to be done RIGHT NOW, which can cost anything from $200 to $1000 depending on how much your mechanic loves you. to do yourself costs about $100 for the parts and half a day of very dirty labour.Toli wrote:Hi all,
This is my first post here and I dont know to much about Toyota's. (Have owened a few patrols) and while looking for a 4x4 diesel patrol I thought I might check out the Landcruiser as well.
I have been reading though a lot of other post on here including the bible. But thought I might ask a few questions of my own.
I have a budget of about 15 - 18. I dont want a rock hopper but something that would suit touring and long distance camping trips.
I am going to have a look at a few on the weekend and would like some tips on what to look out for. EG common problems like the big end bearings on the TD. What should I look for in services. I am looking at 1 that is a 94 model 4.2 td with 200,000 km's on the clock. What should I be aware of at 200,000 km's?
Sorry for being long winded but have never had a landcruiser I known anyone who has so I know nothing about them besides what I have read on this forum. Thanks all for your help
Toli
oher thins to look for are leaks around the front steering knuckle wiper seals - any signs of gears or black oily sludge indicate the need for a fornt axle overhaul, around $400+ also look for leaks around the rear hubs, if there is any they will need fresh wheel breings and a clean up, around $120/side. Scored/grooved brake disks should be replaced, and are about $150 a corner plus fitting, plus pads. take it up to highway speed and ha ve a good listen for any diff noise - a diff overhaul is about $400 if it doesn't need gears. If it is an auto, check for smooth changes and torque conveter lock-up at around 80km/h cruising, if there is any jerkiness or slow changes, probably best to stay away. If manual, expect some sticky/baukiness from the gearbox, it is a BIG box and the synchros do wear out, but the box will last a long time if treated with care.
get someone else to drive reve it while you listen in the engine bay, the loudest noise should be from the engine fan. you should hear a very slight whine from the turbo in the engine bay, but if the turbo noise seems excessive, best to stay away - turbo replacements or overhauls ca get very, very expensive. some whine from the exhaust is ok.
check the coolant level and condition, yucky coolant can mean blocked pipes and that the coolant is not getting to the turbo. check the oil, it shoud not be black in a direct injected motor, it should remain honey coloured right up to the scheduled oil change interval (5000km).
hope that helps some. $20k is a pretty good price for a 200,000km factory turbo if it is in decent condition inside and out.
cheers
Brian
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Landcruiser
Thanks for that Dumbdunce. I will go have a look at it on the weekend and check it all out.
Cheers,
Toli
Cheers,
Toli
80 series
Ok I had a look on the weekend at 2 and I was very impressed with the Landcrusier especially the Factory direct injected turbo diesel. The boost came on nice and it was very nice to drive.
Both of them had leaks around the front steering knuckle wiper seals lots of grease build up there.
Anyway I will look at more this weekend and it looks as though I might be a converting from a patrol to a Landcrusier as it drove a lot better more power and more comfort.
Where is the best place to check for rust on the landcrusiers?
If anybody has any more advice from what was stated please comment
Both of them had leaks around the front steering knuckle wiper seals lots of grease build up there.
Anyway I will look at more this weekend and it looks as though I might be a converting from a patrol to a Landcrusier as it drove a lot better more power and more comfort.
Where is the best place to check for rust on the landcrusiers?
If anybody has any more advice from what was stated please comment
The grease and leaks around the steering knuckles isn't a huge drama. It would probably pay to pull the CV's apart anyway and repack and inspect when you get it. Gives a good base line to work on as well.
I pulled my engine apart and rebuilt it at 170k klms and found that the bores were still good and there was no ring lip or anything wrong with the motor, except those bits that I buggered. But all up, condition was excellent for 170k klms.
As for rust, I havn't heard of any major problems with the 80's as yet. Mine is a 93 model and has seen it's fair share of beach work, but a good clean and some TLC when home should pay off.
I wouldn't be surprised if rust spots would first be present in the lower halves of the rear quarters, as this area can hold water if the seal plates that are in the rear sill behind the wheels have fallen out.
If you find a good one, the 80's are quite a comfortable and capable vehicle. There are some bad ones around, but you get that with any make.
I would definately lean towards the turbo diseasels, if your wanting a diseasel. Mines a N/A diesel and it was the only bad decision I made.
Hope this is of some help,
Cheers
Corry
I pulled my engine apart and rebuilt it at 170k klms and found that the bores were still good and there was no ring lip or anything wrong with the motor, except those bits that I buggered. But all up, condition was excellent for 170k klms.
As for rust, I havn't heard of any major problems with the 80's as yet. Mine is a 93 model and has seen it's fair share of beach work, but a good clean and some TLC when home should pay off.
I wouldn't be surprised if rust spots would first be present in the lower halves of the rear quarters, as this area can hold water if the seal plates that are in the rear sill behind the wheels have fallen out.
If you find a good one, the 80's are quite a comfortable and capable vehicle. There are some bad ones around, but you get that with any make.
I would definately lean towards the turbo diseasels, if your wanting a diseasel. Mines a N/A diesel and it was the only bad decision I made.
Hope this is of some help,
Cheers
Corry
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buying an 80
check around rear windows ,rear of sills,and where the inner guards bolt on to the firewall.
this is where mine is rusting and mine is the worst i have seen
PS good to see you have finally wised up to the error of your ways
PPS they only invented patrols to keep d$#kheads out of toyotas
this is where mine is rusting and mine is the worst i have seen
PS good to see you have finally wised up to the error of your ways
PPS they only invented patrols to keep d$#kheads out of toyotas
wish ihad another 80 for spares
now have a new toy.4"lifted n locked t/d 105 series. ya f*#@ken hoo
now have a new toy.4"lifted n locked t/d 105 series. ya f*#@ken hoo
cruiser
Hi,
Sorry to bring this up again but I am still looking for a cruiser. The Mrs and I have basicly decided that a cruiser is better for what we do rather than a patrol.
I had a look at one today that had 300,000 km's on it TD auto 1992 model GXL. There was no service history and the sales guy said the head has just been completely redone other than that he did not know any more. What would be the reason this has been done?
The Auto was nice to drive it was not hard to change gears or ruff. What is the fuel economy of the Auto?
It was used as a 4x4 as there were a fair bit of scratch marks under neith but no hits undernieth. There was however a big hit in the sill behind the sidestep on the rear passanger door.
Sorry to bring this up again but I am still looking for a cruiser. The Mrs and I have basicly decided that a cruiser is better for what we do rather than a patrol.
I had a look at one today that had 300,000 km's on it TD auto 1992 model GXL. There was no service history and the sales guy said the head has just been completely redone other than that he did not know any more. What would be the reason this has been done?
The Auto was nice to drive it was not hard to change gears or ruff. What is the fuel economy of the Auto?
It was used as a 4x4 as there were a fair bit of scratch marks under neith but no hits undernieth. There was however a big hit in the sill behind the sidestep on the rear passanger door.
Hi there Toli, 300000klms and no service history I wouldnt touch it. But thats me.I wont and havnt bought a vehicle with out books and service history. If they have been looked after why then wouldnt there be books. My hilux has done 280k and I have all books and every single receipt I have spent on it. I dont keep in vehicle in case some one breaks into my'n and flogs them, so they are kept in our cupboard same for our commodore which we bought new. Far as the head goes who knows, I know with my hilux the glow plugs welded themselves (if that the write words) into the head so the head had to come off to fix the probelm, hence the reason why I say to get one with books then you would no the reason why. Salesman will tell you any bullshit to sell it to you. Not sure where your located but here in sydney they dont have to give warranty on a vehicle more than 10 years old or more than 160k so be careful other wise get an NRMA or your local inspector to check it out worth the approx $200 to make sure your getting a good one and not some one elses trouble. As said above in answers to your previous questions what to look for and having a big dent under the sills indicates off road work which is what they are for but maybe signs this one has been abused. Take your time and get a good one. You want it to be a good experiance not a night mare. Regards Steve M
Hi there Toli, 300000klms and no service history I wouldnt touch it. But thats me.I wont and havnt bought a vehicle with out books and service history. If they have been looked after why then wouldnt there be books. My hilux has done 280k and I have all books and every single receipt I have spent on it. I dont keep in vehicle in case some one breaks into my'n and flogs them, so they are kept in our cupboard same for our commodore which we bought new. Far as the head goes who knows, I know with my hilux the glow plugs welded themselves (if that the write words) into the head so the head had to come off to fix the probelm, hence the reason why I say to get one with books then you would no the reason why. Salesman will tell you any bullshit to sell it to you. Not sure where your located but here in sydney they dont have to give warranty on a vehicle more than 10 years old or more than 160k so be careful other wise get an NRMA or your local inspector to check it out worth the approx $200 to make sure your getting a good one and not some one elses trouble. As said above in answers to your previous questions what to look for and having a big dent under the sills indicates off road work which is what they are for but maybe signs this one has been abused. Take your time and get a good one. You want it to be a good experiance not a night mare. Regards Steve M
80 series
Millers1,
Good point, this truck has to last me a while has I have just brought a house.
I agree with the service history, When I rang up they said there was service history but nothing when I had a look at it. I am in Western Sydney and am aware of the no warranty deal.
I liked the car it drove nice with no noises. But the head problem, damage to the sill and also no service history has me a bit on the I will wait list. Anyway I might check it out again tomorrow and have another look but I doubt I will get it.
I also throught the price was a bit high. 16900 I thought it should have been a grand or so less.
Good point, this truck has to last me a while has I have just brought a house.
I agree with the service history, When I rang up they said there was service history but nothing when I had a look at it. I am in Western Sydney and am aware of the no warranty deal.
I liked the car it drove nice with no noises. But the head problem, damage to the sill and also no service history has me a bit on the I will wait list. Anyway I might check it out again tomorrow and have another look but I doubt I will get it.
I also throught the price was a bit high. 16900 I thought it should have been a grand or so less.
Re: 80 series
Toli sez
Anyway I will look at more this weekend and it looks as though I might be a converting from a patrol to a Landcrusier as it drove a lot better more power and more comfort.
The best thing i ever did was buy a landcruiser, I became obsessed with them after i test drove mine.... And ive got to say its changed my life. I will NEVER part with mine, even if it rusts to bits
As for the price being a tad high why dont you see if you can knock the price down a bit, worth a try eh 
Anyway I will look at more this weekend and it looks as though I might be a converting from a patrol to a Landcrusier as it drove a lot better more power and more comfort.
The best thing i ever did was buy a landcruiser, I became obsessed with them after i test drove mine.... And ive got to say its changed my life. I will NEVER part with mine, even if it rusts to bits
As for the price being a tad high why dont you see if you can knock the price down a bit, worth a try eh 80 series
OK looking at a couple more on the weekend, I am looking at one with about 400,000km's on the clock. Is this too much or is it ok as long as the service history is there, which it is.
how many km's before the engine has to be rebuilt it is a 92 model and a 94 model I am looking at. I think both are the same and they did not change from 91 to 95 is this correct?
How much would an 80 series with 400,000km's on it be worth?
how many km's before the engine has to be rebuilt it is a 92 model and a 94 model I am looking at. I think both are the same and they did not change from 91 to 95 is this correct?
How much would an 80 series with 400,000km's on it be worth?
in the manuals, check if its hard to get into second gear. if it is a expencive job to have it fixed. i just brought a 1994 diesel with 335 000km for 15 grand, it has just had the gearbox rebult and seems a good car.
from 1990 to 1992 they came out with smaller rear breaks and 31" crome wheels, then in 1993 they went to bigger wheels and bigger breaks, then in 1995 they changed the dash.
from 1990 to 1992 they came out with smaller rear breaks and 31" crome wheels, then in 1993 they went to bigger wheels and bigger breaks, then in 1995 they changed the dash.
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So there is not much difference between 1990 and 95 besides bigger brakes in 1993.4runner2.8 wrote:in the manuals, check if its hard to get into second gear. if it is a expencive job to have it fixed. i just brought a 1994 diesel with 335 000km for 15 grand, it has just had the gearbox rebult and seems a good car.
That seems like an alright price for a 94 model. I assume it is not turbo?
from 1990 to 1992 they came out with smaller rear breaks and 31" crome wheels, then in 1993 they went to bigger wheels and bigger breaks, then in 1995 they changed the dash.
Re: 80 series
it would depend on what condition the car is in, what the service history is like, and how it has been driven. i would get a compression test done on it. and if i was buying it i would be budgeting for a motor rebuild with in the next 100 000km if it has not aready had one. also if the injector pump and injectors need rebuilding its over a 2grand job.Toli wrote:Thanks for the info guys,
Does anyone think that 400,000km's is too many km's for an 80
Re: 80 series
It is second owner full service history, I am not sure of the condition as I have not seen it yet. Going to see it tomorrow. Might be a bit hard getting a compression test done on it as it is a bit far from where I am and it, does anyone know if NRMA do compression tests?4runner2.8 wrote:it would depend on what condition the car is in, what the service history is like, and how it has been driven. i would get a compression test done on it. and if i was buying it i would be budgeting for a motor rebuild with in the next 100 000km if it has not aready had one. also if the injector pump and injectors need rebuilding its over a 2grand job.Toli wrote:Thanks for the info guys,
Does anyone think that 400,000km's is too many km's for an 80
The pump seals were done at the begining of the year and injectors about 50-60 thousand kms ago.
If I was to get I would definiatley be budgeting for a rebuild at about 450 - 500km's. How much is a rebuild estimated? I have been told anywhere between 3500 - 5000.
The reason I am looking at it is because he is after under $14K and it has a fair bit of options that I want on it. I will be looking at another one first thing in the morning so it would be good to compare them.
80 series
He said I could, but I am not too keen on doing it. I will have my mechanic mate go over it and see what he says, but I could not pick up anything wrong with it.
It started fine just a little bit of a puff of black smoke when it start which is normal but other than that no noises or smoke while driving it. It has always been serviced and looks great. so I will see how I go tomorrow
It started fine just a little bit of a puff of black smoke when it start which is normal but other than that no noises or smoke while driving it. It has always been serviced and looks great. so I will see how I go tomorrow
400k is alot
engine will not likely make it past 500k even if its been looked after well.
and 5k to rebuild a TD is not even close. For a drive in drive out affair youd be looking clooser to 7k+
5K will rebuild the motor, then theres the pump, turbo etc etc
And at 400k the bearings and seals all round will need looking at (wheel bearings) if they havent already been done. the gearbox will be on its way ($1250+).
engine will not likely make it past 500k even if its been looked after well.
and 5k to rebuild a TD is not even close. For a drive in drive out affair youd be looking clooser to 7k+
5K will rebuild the motor, then theres the pump, turbo etc etc
And at 400k the bearings and seals all round will need looking at (wheel bearings) if they havent already been done. the gearbox will be on its way ($1250+).
80 series
Well this one has a full service history, I have been looking for about months now and it seems almost the best I have seen. Owner has had it for about 11 years.sniper wrote:I have heard of many TD`s making it well past 500ks, as long as they are well looked after
So some people think they wont last past 500,000 other I have spoken with say they will make it well past as long as they are looked after.
Thanks for the advice guys, I will sleep on it and see what my mechanic mate says after he has a look at it.
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