hey all
my troopie currently has 2" lift and a rear locker about to go in. After a few heart stopping moments at landcruiser last weekend, i am considering if going to 3-4 inch lift springs is really all that advisable for rollover and stability issues. I was going to do it to make the best use of the extended shackles with 70 - 100mm extended springs.
Any feedback from troopie owners or other full hardtop makes (landrover 110 for example) with experience of over 3" of spring lift would be appreciated. I was also doing the lift so i can fit 35's, so can anyone tell me if perhaps i would be better off going with spending the money on a front locker instead. Does anyone think that the extra clearance and flex would be worth the rollover risk?
MILO
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is 3-4" lift too high for troopies
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is 3-4" lift too high for troopies
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Rockcrawler31.
Own a 79 series ute with 2" spring and 2" bodylift. I run 2" offset rims.
At Cruiser park the thing is possitively scary on sideslopes. I thought by keeping the sringlift to 2" and lifting the body the rest it might have turned out OK. If you look at military bodied cruisers everything that is heavy is high. Engine, Gearbox/Transfer, Fuel tanks. Add to that a wheel track that is narrow and it's ugly. The fact that components are high makes perform well in all areas except sideslopes. I've tried in vein to get mine to feel better off camber. I would eat worms before I sold the 79 but I've bought a GU recently and compared to the 79 the thing feels rollover proof even with 4.5" of spring lift. Cruiser park highlights sideslope ability defienencies in anything. I feel comfortable in my cruiser nearly everywhere else except there.
Own a 79 series ute with 2" spring and 2" bodylift. I run 2" offset rims.
At Cruiser park the thing is possitively scary on sideslopes. I thought by keeping the sringlift to 2" and lifting the body the rest it might have turned out OK. If you look at military bodied cruisers everything that is heavy is high. Engine, Gearbox/Transfer, Fuel tanks. Add to that a wheel track that is narrow and it's ugly. The fact that components are high makes perform well in all areas except sideslopes. I've tried in vein to get mine to feel better off camber. I would eat worms before I sold the 79 but I've bought a GU recently and compared to the 79 the thing feels rollover proof even with 4.5" of spring lift. Cruiser park highlights sideslope ability defienencies in anything. I feel comfortable in my cruiser nearly everywhere else except there.
Rockcrawler31.
Own a 79 series ute with 2" spring and 2" bodylift. I run 2" offset rims.
At Cruiser park the thing is possitively scary on sideslopes. I thought by keeping the sringlift to 2" and lifting the body the rest it might have turned out OK. If you look at military bodied cruisers everything that is heavy is high. Engine, Gearbox/Transfer, Fuel tanks. Add to that a wheel track that is narrow and it's ugly. The fact that components are high makes perform well in all areas except sideslopes. I've tried in vein to get mine to feel better off camber. I would eat worms before I sold the 79 but I've bought a GU recently and compared to the 79 the thing feels rollover proof even with 4.5" of spring lift. Cruiser park highlights sideslope ability defienencies in anything. I feel comfortable in my cruiser nearly everywhere else except there.
Own a 79 series ute with 2" spring and 2" bodylift. I run 2" offset rims.
At Cruiser park the thing is possitively scary on sideslopes. I thought by keeping the sringlift to 2" and lifting the body the rest it might have turned out OK. If you look at military bodied cruisers everything that is heavy is high. Engine, Gearbox/Transfer, Fuel tanks. Add to that a wheel track that is narrow and it's ugly. The fact that components are high makes perform well in all areas except sideslopes. I've tried in vein to get mine to feel better off camber. I would eat worms before I sold the 79 but I've bought a GU recently and compared to the 79 the thing feels rollover proof even with 4.5" of spring lift. Cruiser park highlights sideslope ability defienencies in anything. I feel comfortable in my cruiser nearly everywhere else except there.
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oh well, learn to live with it.in 2000 I got a troopy 78 series 4.5 petrol, had 3" lift, and I ran 16 x 10 alloys with 36 x 12.5/16 TSL swampers, lockers, 100 front shocks [extra long] and GQ valved rears to stop leaning/pitching weight, which made the vehicle much more stable.
I machined the arms to take castor correction bushes at the chassis end, to move the diff forward 14mm and stop tyres scrubbing on firewall, and had rear bump stops on the front which were 30mm longer, to stop the 36's hitting the top of the fender on the lock, but made up the lost up travel with the 100 shocks being alot longer.
It still picked up front wheels alot, but the shock valving made it more stable.
I machined the arms to take castor correction bushes at the chassis end, to move the diff forward 14mm and stop tyres scrubbing on firewall, and had rear bump stops on the front which were 30mm longer, to stop the 36's hitting the top of the fender on the lock, but made up the lost up travel with the 100 shocks being alot longer.
It still picked up front wheels alot, but the shock valving made it more stable.
When I was looking at upgrading from the Zook one of the main reasons I went GQ/Mav was the low roof height and overall very low c of g.
The other options were MQ, Bundy, Hilux or Middy Cruiser.
On 33"s and with a 2" lift the Mav is still under their stock height ... and about a foot wider track as well. Wayyyy more stable.
Plus of course I've gone to the widest legal offset I could to make it better again.
What put me off the other options was watching Hiluxes, Troopies and 4Runners off road, which is normally a pretty scary experience. I've lost count of the amount of times I've nearly seen them roll in what is relatively easy terrain.
Why people jack up hiluxes and troopies so much and still use standard offset rims is a mystery to me, but even hugely wide offset is never gonna make up for those narrow axles.
The other options were MQ, Bundy, Hilux or Middy Cruiser.
On 33"s and with a 2" lift the Mav is still under their stock height ... and about a foot wider track as well. Wayyyy more stable.
Plus of course I've gone to the widest legal offset I could to make it better again.
What put me off the other options was watching Hiluxes, Troopies and 4Runners off road, which is normally a pretty scary experience. I've lost count of the amount of times I've nearly seen them roll in what is relatively easy terrain.
Why people jack up hiluxes and troopies so much and still use standard offset rims is a mystery to me, but even hugely wide offset is never gonna make up for those narrow axles.
I chucked a mates 35 on my troopy the other day; i've got little or no lift. From my observations, i'll only need to space the front axle forward a little. I'm sure the back will rub but i'm no too concerned. I certainly don't want to go any higher.
I currantly run stockies so i'm yet to experience wider tyres/offset rims, but i can't wait!!
I've got Bostrom seats in the front of mine and they are HIGH! I can't see the road with the visors down. Makes side slopes all the more scary!
-Stu
I currantly run stockies so i'm yet to experience wider tyres/offset rims, but i can't wait!!
I've got Bostrom seats in the front of mine and they are HIGH! I can't see the road with the visors down. Makes side slopes all the more scary!
-Stu
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anyone know how much i will be paying for a set of wider rims? or best place to source them in brisvegas. i only run sunnies now and want something similar (read cheap 
bling is for my road bike only 
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Ats and dogbreath - how badly did the 35's affect your gearing on road and off? And did the additional sidewall flex/height make a difference in handling. mines a diesel so i could probably use the slightly higher first gear on road
i had been wondering how to extend the front bump stops does anyone know is the rear bump stops on the front trick applies to leaf spring 75's as well.
I well know the limitations of my truck on side slopes, and have been surprised how far i was able to push it, i just don't want to make it excessively worse with the extra 2 inches. i already keep spare pairs of undies in the car
bling is for my road bike only )Ats and dogbreath - how badly did the 35's affect your gearing on road and off? And did the additional sidewall flex/height make a difference in handling. mines a diesel so i could probably use the slightly higher first gear on road
i had been wondering how to extend the front bump stops
does anyone know is the rear bump stops on the front trick applies to leaf spring 75's as well.I well know the limitations of my truck on side slopes, and have been surprised how far i was able to push it, i just don't want to make it excessively worse with the extra 2 inches. i already keep spare pairs of undies in the car
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See Ryano @ fourby's at Marooka, another option could be to get the centres cut out of existing sunnies and moved to whatever offset you want. (flipped) I'm heading down that road atm, not sure on legalities - that doesn't really concern merockcrawler31 wrote:anyone know how much i will be paying for a set of wider rims? or best place to source them in brisvegas. i only run sunnies now and want something similar (read cheap
Sounds like an interesting trip to LCMP eh, disapointed i missed it.
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Well i'm lazy so i only whacked one on sorryrockcrawler31 wrote: Ats and dogbreath - how badly did the 35's affect your gearing on road and off? And did the additional sidewall flex/height make a difference in handling. mines a diesel so i could probably use the slightly higher first gear on road
Road speed doesn't really concern me...
-Stu
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