Tubbing the Front

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:46 pm

Hi All,

I'm still thinking about the Q78's and how to fit them in the car whilst still keeping the body nice and low etc...

Does anyone have any details or photos on how they have modfied / cut back their firewall? I know that i have taken everything possible out of the headlight backing so there is no more room to be gained there, but it may be feasible to move the front axel back just a tad to get the wheel to stuff a bit further back and this i think will mean that the firewall will need some work.

Any advice?

thanks,
Greg

Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:26 pm

Thinking about this i'd say the way i'd do it is cut it then flex it up. If it still hits then cut some more. Do a little at a time so you can get the profile right.

I'm guessing you will eat into your foot space a little but hey, that's the price you pay I guess.

Do it and take pics

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:42 pm

Damo wrote:I'm guessing you will eat into your foot space a little but hey, that's the price you pay I guess.

Bah - no problemo - foot space is over-rated anyways

Yeah the plan is to measure the tyre, then measure the distance from the back of the headlight to the axel (when fully stuffed), then work out how far back the axel has to go before the headlight will be safe... that will then determine how far back the firewall has to come to make everything fit...

I guess if the tyre radius is bigger than the distance from the back of the headlight to the chassis "cross member" with the body mount under the footwell - then it is going to be too big... otherwise we may have a fighting chance of making it work

Post by **antt** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:56 pm

might be a stupid suggestion, but why can't you space the headlights out forwards an inch or two? or do you needs heaps more space than that?

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:00 pm

Greg my firewall has been trimmed a little and you run the risk if you go back to far you interfere with the accelerator pedal. I still think the way to go was my original idea and now Ants to move the headlights forward about and 1.5" using tube that you can then mount the whole grille assembly into. Keep the fender so it doesn't look too modded

kinda get the idea from this drawing

Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:22 pm

I'm liking Grimbo's idea on this one. "Semi-tube" the front to bring the grille forward. I had a similar idea a while back to do this possibly using a different headlight that was a little more compact or that you could position slightly to gain more room.

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:27 pm

grimbo wrote:Greg my firewall has been trimmed a little and you run the risk if you go back to far you interfere with the accelerator pedal. I still think the way to go was my original idea and now Ants to move the headlights forward about and 1.5" using tube that you can then mount the whole grille assembly into. Keep the fender so it doesn't look too modded

kinda get the idea from this drawing

Because this would be the easy option... i was just trying to attack the issue from a slightly different direction and work out if the tyre would fit whilst keeping the stock look working at the front (which would be nice to have)...

When (if) i get the car back i've gotta head over to Mock's place to test fit his 36's for measurement purposes - that'll give me a better idea about what is / isn't going to be possible i think.

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:32 pm

antt wrote:might be a stupid suggestion, but why can't you space the headlights out forwards an inch or two? or do you needs heaps more space than that?

According to the interco website the tyre size will be going from a diameter of 33.8 to 35.5 i think... so it's really only a 1.7" increase in diameter - so in theory - a 0.85" increase in room is required around the area of the headlight (though this estimation does not take into account the extra width of the tyre)...

Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:37 pm

Yeah the width is the killer IMO. Especially if you need a mofe offset rim to keep the tyres off the chassis at full lock...

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:50 pm

Damo wrote:Yeah the width is the killer IMO. Especially if you need a mofe offset rim to keep the tyres off the chassis at full lock...

My spring are still in widetrack configuration - this means that the tyres hit the springs even before they would have hit the chassis :cry:

Oh well - perhaps full lock is over-rated

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:52 pm

you need to get your rims offset like mine

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:54 pm

grimbo wrote:you need to get your rims offset like mine

what i need is that flare material you said you had weeks ago :roll:

Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:57 pm

greg wrote:
grimbo wrote:you need to get your rims offset like mine

what i need is that flare material you said you had weeks ago

Go the garden edging from Bunnings!!!

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:03 pm

Damo wrote:Go the garden edging from Bunnings!!!

That's what it is now i think - but it is just a bit too flimsy and get's moved around by the wind resistance (at all the high speeds the car is now travelling at) and gets sucked onto the tyres...

Just need something a little bit stronger.

Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:10 pm

greg wrote:
Damo wrote:Go the garden edging from Bunnings!!!

That's what it is now i think - but it is just a bit too flimsy and get's moved around by the wind resistance (at all the high speeds the car is now travelling at) and gets sucked onto the tyres...

Just need something a little bit stronger.

I am thinking of different stuff then. I doubt this stuff would flex from wind resistance even if it was covering tyres on a top fuel drag car. It's TOUGH.

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:12 pm

ok ok the guy I get it from has been overseas but i think he is back. I'll try and get it by the weekend but only if you get the Q78s. See it is a conspiracy (This way i can get your beadlocks as they will be too narrow for the beef of the Q78s

)

Post by **crispy** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:14 pm

get some conveyor belt from a forestry placeor whereever conveyor belts are used. my uncle got me mine from one of the bins out the back, all i did was cut it, paint it black then bolt them on.

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:23 pm

grimbo wrote:ok ok the guy I get it from has been overseas but i think he is back. I'll try and get it by the weekend but only if you get the Q78s. See it is a conspiracy (This way i can get your beadlocks as they will be too narrow for the beef of the Q78s )

Negative Red Leader - the beadlocks are A-okay - since the q78's are meant to be mounted to the same size rims as the 34x9.5's are (a 7" rim) - i figure they should be sweet on my little 6.5's

In my best Soup Nazi voice "No Beadlocks for you"

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:26 pm

crispy wrote:get some conveyor belt from a forestry placeor whereever conveyor belts are used. my uncle got me mine from one of the bins out the back, all i did was cut it, paint it black then bolt them on.

Hey Crispy,

I checked out you member's profile but didn't see any better photos of your super flares... are there any shots of them floating around?

Thanks mate

Post by **skippy** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:17 pm

greg wrote:
Damo wrote:Go the garden edging from Bunnings!!!

That's what it is now i think - but it is just a bit too flimsy and get's moved around by the wind resistance (at all the high speeds the car is now travelling at) and gets sucked onto the tyres...

Just need something a little bit stronger.

hey greg, the lawn edging i use is tough as nails mate...very fawkin sturdy. it bends when you hit stuff and bounces right back into shape. doesn't bend when travelling down the highway either. it's a hard type of plastic material. comes in black and green from bunnings.

www.mark-mccarthy.com
clikc on the gallery that says "golden boulder mines" you can see it there

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:22 pm

skippy wrote:hey greg, the lawn edging i use is tough as nails mate...very fawkin sturdy.

Thanks Skip - i checked it out - basically all these materials look pretty similar - it's just a matter of finding one you can get your hands on...

I'm just bagging Grimbo because he said he had the bestest flare material in the world that he would be able to get for me - but as yet it hasn't happened...

Post by **grimbo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:33 pm

but think how great it will be once I get it

Post by **crispy** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:52 pm

yeah greg i was just about 2 put a pic up but i had 2 go :roll:

hope these will help

Post by **greg** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:55 pm

crispy wrote:yeah greg i was just about 2 put a pic up but i had 2 go
hope these will help

They look nice crispy - you and Skippy must shop at the same places or something

Post by **Damo** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:03 pm

Once again we see a modification not elegant enough to been seen on MY rig.

Post by **moose** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:31 pm

Greg , talk to Ruff , he did the firewall on his Hilux !!!
he did post some pics , it will give you a guide on wat you want !!!!

p.s = how did a thread about firewall mods turn to lawn edging ??????

Post by **mud4b** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:24 pm

DAMO=MALLER CRAWLER

Post by **crispy** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:48 pm

Damo wrote:Once again we see a modification not elegant enough to been seen on MY rig.

Wheels?

Post by **skippy** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:48 pm

Damo wrote:Once again we see a modification not elegant enough to been seen on MY rig.

I think what's important here damo is the fact that these rigs actually move under their own power, not like the flinstones mobile.

:finger:

By the sounds of things you and danny are going to take away the zook rice king award from me. :finger:

Post by **greg** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:54 am

Damo wrote:Once again we see a modification not elegant enough to been seen on MY rig.

That's true mate - a pretty car like yours demands those Jeep flares

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