Rover guy

Post by **chimpboy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:53 am

So, I want to find a rover guy to do some dirty rover things to my rover engine. I figure I've saved some $$ by fitting up the EFI myself and getting it running okay, so now I don't mind paying someone to get it sweet.

Someone who can check the stuff that is really beyond my means to check, like am I getting adequate fuel pressure in the rail at all rev levels, how far off is my mixture, and just general tune up stuff.

The engine is a mix of rangie and disco parts so I just want someone who's worked on plenty of those motors. Any recommendation around Boronia/Bayswater in Vic?

Jason

Post by **chimpboy** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:57 am

... thinking of trying Rover Land on Dorset Rd, FTG, unless anyone thinks I shouldn't?

Post by BJ » Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:45 pm

Rangie Automotive in Lilydale are pretty good. Tell them u found em' on here, if u know what I mean. Ph 97396989

Post by **chrisl** » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:39 pm

glen at rover land is good he did work at amv before starting out for himself

Post by **TRobbo** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:54 am

There are your normal dealer options such as:
Ritters
ULR
Melbourne City LR

Then there are the other guys who work on them but aren't dealerships.
AMV - Ringwood
Rangie Automotive - Lilydale
Range rov - Mitcham
Rover Land - FTG
LRA - Thomastown
Vitesse - Malvern
Deacon Auto - Cheltenham??

I dont know Rover Land but should probably check him out some day. The rest have all done a fair bit of work on rover engines and know there way around em.

Hmmmmm we are blessed with options down south.

Post by **cpmurray** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:33 am

Fred Smith in Havalock drive Bayswater, what he doesn't know about Land Rovers basically isn't worth knowing!

Post by **6.5 rangie** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:12 pm

Roverland get a really good rap.
Also was at toorak tracter the other day, they just did a 3.5 to 5litre, uses ford 250 pistons, clevo valves etc, looks good

Post by **chimpboy** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 9:52 am

6.5 rangie wrote:Roverland get a really good rap.

Just dropped the car off at Rover Land this morning, Glenn seems to know his stuff and is going to keep it a few days and give it a service, tune-up and a general once-over.

I'll let you all know how it goes.

I've heard nothing but good stuff about this place, but I have to admit he didn't seem mad keen to have to work on an old triumph, must be used to having more room to move in the engine bay

Post by **Loanrangie** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:13 pm

Is this your stag ?

Post by **chimpboy** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 2:33 pm

Loanrangie wrote:Is this your stag ?

Yup, it's had a 4.2 Rover V8 transplant and needs a tuneup!

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Mon Apr 23, 2007 3:21 pm

chimpboy wrote:
Loanrangie wrote:Is this your stag ?
Yup, it's had a 4.2 Rover V8 transplant and needs a tuneup!

Any pics?

A mate of mine has an MGB with a rover V8. That thing is an awesome beast.

Post by **chimpboy** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:42 am

ISUZUROVER wrote:Any pics?

the car itself:

Converted to EFI with a lot of help from the Rover section here on OL.

Before, with carby:

After, with EFI:

As with an MG it's a light car with a fair amount of engine, the engine was supposedly built for another car for Targa Tasmania, as a 4.2 litre stroker, then the buyer fell through so the guy who owned my stag got the engine cheap. It's really a handful actually, especially when you're used to an old Patrol.

It's a definite fixer-upper as far as the paint goes, but everything else is really quite good, especially for the price. I've tidied the engine bay up a lot since these photos were taken, need to take some more pics when I get the car back I think.

Post by **mickrangie** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:45 am

p!ZZ that lucas EFI system off and put a mega squirt, wolf, motec etc in it then you will unleash the power of the the rover V8!!!

Mick

Post by **chimpboy** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:56 pm

mickrangie wrote:p!ZZ that lucas EFI system off and put a mega squirt, wolf, motec etc in it then you will unleash the power of the the rover V8!!!

Mick

Yep, I agree and I am thinking megasquirt down the track... but for now it is good to have been able to bolt EFI on with minimal tinkering. Plus the plenum, fuel rails etc all had to go on anyway. So it's a good in between step.

Reckon the aftermarket EFI would be more economical as well?

Post by **mickrangie** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:09 pm

economical is a strong word for a v8 but yes if you have it tuned for balls then no but if you get it tuned for a good balance then yes it can be. and most efi systems have what they call 'closed loop' which basically means the computer uses and exhaust sensor, air temp sensor to determine the best way to keep the air fuel mixture at 14:1 which in theory would make it economical.
Put it this way i have 35" simex on my rangie with 4:11 diffs and an auto i have got from 120 km to 450 km out of 80L now the 120 km day was on/off type throttle spinning wheels on a hard track and the 400 km was a lot of hwy and pretty easy tracks taking it real easy on the gas. Now if i bolt the 33" road tyres on i have got close to 500 km on road only driving. So it all depends on how you drive it and have it tuned. I would dare say in a road car being much lighter an all you could aim for some decent figures if you drove like a 'normal' person.

Mick

Post by **chimpboy** » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:16 pm

I also hear that late Commodore EFI gear is adaptable to suit. Anyway, at the moment I'm happy with it as is!

Post by **chimpboy** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:23 pm

Just picked the Stag up from Glenn at Rover Land. He gave it a good service and tune up and it is running very well now.

I actually wanted him to check all the hoses etc to confirm I'd made no mistakes when fitting the EFI stuff, which he did, but as it turned out it was all correct. Just needed a good tune up.

Anyway, I will just add to the good rap for anyone looking for a Rover mechanic.

Post by **shakes** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:35 pm

I also hear that late Commodore EFI gear is adaptable to suit. Anyway, at the moment I'm happy with it as is!

for ease commonwhore 5ltr stuff is tops (TB, Dizzy and ECU) and nearly anywhere can tune it... think it mighta been me that told ya this though

Post by **chimpboy** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:49 am

shakes wrote:
I also hear that late Commodore EFI gear is adaptable to suit. Anyway, at the moment I'm happy with it as is!
for ease commonwhore 5ltr stuff is tops (TB, Dizzy and ECU) and nearly anywhere can tune it... think it mighta been me that told ya this though

Yep!

And thanks for the EFI gear, it has improved the car a lot.

Post by **ISUZUROVER** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 3:00 pm

chimpboy wrote:
ISUZUROVER wrote:Any pics?
the car itself:

Looks pretty good - my mate's MG is a big like that - body and paint a bit rough, but the drivetrain is great!.

Post by **Lucus** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:18 pm

I had a wolf 3d ver 3 on my old rangie 3.9 and couldnt recommend them highly enough. Easy to tune. Easy to fit and they will transform a rover V8. Im running a dunnydore dizzy (cheap easy parts). I've almost finished installing the 4.6 into my 93 and fitting the wolf into that....cant wait to crank it up...

Post by **Utemad** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:04 pm

Lucus wrote:I had a wolf 3d ver 3 on my old rangie 3.9 and couldnt recommend them highly enough. Easy to tune. Easy to fit and they will transform a rover V8.

What's the Wolf system worth and how hard is it to fit and set up on a 3.9 V8?

I heard it does away with the airflow meter.

Post by **mickrangie** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:47 pm

Utemad wrote:
Lucus wrote:I had a wolf 3d ver 3 on my old rangie 3.9 and couldnt recommend them highly enough. Easy to tune. Easy to fit and they will transform a rover V8.
What's the Wolf system worth and how hard is it to fit and set up on a 3.9 V8?

I heard it does away with the airflow meter.

http://www.wolfems.com.au they rock!

Post by **chimpboy** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:30 pm

mickrangie wrote:
Utemad wrote:
Lucus wrote:I had a wolf 3d ver 3 on my old rangie 3.9 and couldnt recommend them highly enough. Easy to tune. Easy to fit and they will transform a rover V8.
What's the Wolf system worth and how hard is it to fit and set up on a 3.9 V8?

I heard it does away with the airflow meter.
http://www.wolfems.com.au they rock!

Ouch. Surely for those prices Megasquirt looks a little more attractive?

Post by **mickrangie** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:49 pm

Depends how good you are with a soldering iron.... MS is pretty good for what it is but an out of the box product like Wolf or Motec can't be beaten! Horses for courses i guess.

Mick

Post by **Utemad** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:18 pm

$1895

Still would be nice to have

Post by **RangingRover** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:36 pm

Megasquirt kit currently runs about $270AUD delivered for an MS1 V3.0.

My opinion, there is nowhere near $1600 of extra value in a Wolf. I'm not going to waste anyones time arguing point for point, all I'll say is my 4.6 is currently doing low 18litres per 100km on highway run (with a vacuum advance that doesn't work, and an unmodified dizzy curve), and still has plenty of room for improvement. I think 16l/100 on the highway and well under 20 on city run should be well within reach, and I'm not tuning it for economy.

Post by **Lucus** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:09 pm

The versions shown on the webpage are the latest you DONT need that version. Hunt a around for a cheaper 2nd hand ver 3.2/3.2 it has all the functionality a rover engine needs including program advance curve (hello big torque gains) and outputs for thermo fans and oxy sensors/idle control. It even has idle up for aircon (a handy thing to have if you have a big winch that draws current!)

I wouldn't pay anymore than 300 for the unit maybe 400 if the loom was in good nick.

The installation is pretty straight forward. I did my 1st one at 19 and it took me 3 days. A half decent auto spark would knock it over in a day...

Nothing against the megasquirt i just have more experience with the Wolf.

Luke

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