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Oxygen Sensor Simulator
Oxygen Sensor Simulator
My zuk gave me a brights Servce Engine Soon light so i went to service center and they told me i have to change the O2 sensor. Ever since the light came on, i've been experiencing lower gas-mileage, the engine feels slugish in the lower revs and the exhaust smells a lot like unburned gas .
So i wanna change the sensor but, as you all know, those little bastards cost 300-350 bucks for the heated ones. So i found this article where they teach you how to build your own o2 sensor simulator. The only problem i see is that it was designed for a Supra, but as far as i know OBD2 is a standard so the design should be universal. I already bought everything and put it together and tested it with a battery to check the output and it works. I'm just afraid to burn my ECU.
The Site: http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/oxygen ... index.html
Has anyone done this or has someone solved this in an easier, safer way?
Thanx
So i wanna change the sensor but, as you all know, those little bastards cost 300-350 bucks for the heated ones. So i found this article where they teach you how to build your own o2 sensor simulator. The only problem i see is that it was designed for a Supra, but as far as i know OBD2 is a standard so the design should be universal. I already bought everything and put it together and tested it with a battery to check the output and it works. I'm just afraid to burn my ECU.
The Site: http://www.mkiv.com/techarticles/oxygen ... index.html
Has anyone done this or has someone solved this in an easier, safer way?
Thanx
98' Softtop Vitara, 1.6 16v EFI
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
BTW, who long is supposed to take for a 1.6L 16v EFI to warm up on mornings? 7-8mins? I've notices how other cars warm up much faster and STAY warm for hours after being turned off, while mine cools up in 45mins, so everytime i turn the vehicle off for more than 45mins, i gotta wait 7-8 mins until it warms up again. VERY annoying.
98' Softtop Vitara, 1.6 16v EFI
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Max wrote:BTW, who long is supposed to take for a 1.6L 16v EFI to warm up on mornings? 7-8mins? I've notices how other cars warm up much faster and STAY warm for hours after being turned off, while mine cools up in 45mins, so everytime i turn the vehicle off for more than 45mins, i gotta wait 7-8 mins until it warms up again. VERY annoying.
Wait for it to warm-up... what exactly do you mean? to get the thermostat to a point where it stays stable there for the length of the trip? That might take 5 mins... but in some 2 mins it's normally got a thermo readout on its way to the middle-band... at least in my case (same engine as you I believe).
I'm a bad example... I rarely leave it to warm up on it's own... I turn it on and in about 30seconds to 1 min, I'm off... but I do go easy on the gas until it's warm.
You might get away with buying some non-genuine sensor (as in, not made by Suzuki, as I would imagine Japanese parts over there would be most expensive, I remember a Daihatsu air filter in Portugal cost over 4 times what it costs here in Australia!)... shop around because there have to be alternatives.
Other option might be to get one off a wrecked Vitara? Just a thought... might not be a very gone one but it's what I came up with
Good luck and keep us posted!
Thanx Man!
I guess i can wait 2-3mins to warm up. I'll see if i can get that sensor in some junk yard around. Suzukis here are very popular so that might not be much of a problem.
About the engines, i think we have different ones. I have the EFI 1.6 16v SOHC and you have a 2.0 16v DOHC. Wanna swap??
Maybe yours heats up faster because it's newer or has some gadget to make it warm faster.
I'll check for prices here, thanx for everything.!
I guess i can wait 2-3mins to warm up. I'll see if i can get that sensor in some junk yard around. Suzukis here are very popular so that might not be much of a problem.
About the engines, i think we have different ones. I have the EFI 1.6 16v SOHC and you have a 2.0 16v DOHC. Wanna swap??
Maybe yours heats up faster because it's newer or has some gadget to make it warm faster.
I'll check for prices here, thanx for everything.!
98' Softtop Vitara, 1.6 16v EFI
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
so noone here knows anything about oxygen sensor simulators, electronics or how to fool the ECU? Comeon, SOMEONE MUST know something about how to fool the ECU when you remove your catalitic converter!! My zook has a straight pipe from the headders to the exhaust with a small muffler between them. Comeon, how do i fool the ecu?? Where are the all-mighty gods of the suzuki world?? suzuki viagra with his 31"s? Greg?? Antt?? They all know how to rebuild a zuk with their bare hands and a 6pack of beer but cant help a humble guy to solve his O2 sensor problems?!??!?!
It's really cool to have overflowed injectors when you wanna go fast or someone wants to race you. I smoked a 1.6 VW Golf with my little zuk, but when you wanna go offroad where you want to keep the revs low where to torque is, and you hear the engine drowning in it's own fuel it's really anoying!
HELP ME GODS OF SUZUKI & BEER!
It's really cool to have overflowed injectors when you wanna go fast or someone wants to race you. I smoked a 1.6 VW Golf with my little zuk, but when you wanna go offroad where you want to keep the revs low where to torque is, and you hear the engine drowning in it's own fuel it's really anoying!
HELP ME GODS OF SUZUKI & BEER!
98' Softtop Vitara, 1.6 16v EFI
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Max I've seen things called MIL Eliminators used on V6 Ford Duratec engines in the USA to fool the ECU into thinking the cats are still fitted. But in that case the car has two oxy sensors- one upstream of the cat senses the oxygen content and adjusts the mixtures, the second one (which the MIL Eliminator replaces) is just used to monitor the cat is working OK.
Unless you've got a similar set up and just want to replace the second oxy sensor, you'd really need to replace it with a new one. Otherwise your mixtures will be all wrong in closed loop mode (cruising etc) and your fuel economy will be bad- or you could run your engine lean and overheat/ destroy it.
Personally, I wouldn't risk it and would try to find a second hand or new one. A lot of aftermarket parts suppliers now make oxy sensors so you may not need to buy genuine for a new one.
Unless you've got a similar set up and just want to replace the second oxy sensor, you'd really need to replace it with a new one. Otherwise your mixtures will be all wrong in closed loop mode (cruising etc) and your fuel economy will be bad- or you could run your engine lean and overheat/ destroy it.
Personally, I wouldn't risk it and would try to find a second hand or new one. A lot of aftermarket parts suppliers now make oxy sensors so you may not need to buy genuine for a new one.
David
i run a vitara efi in my sierra.(this is my second now as i sold the last)the first engine had the cat punched out and no sensor,but it had one in the extractors.it ran fine.the new one has no sensor(the cat is normal)but again it has one in the extractors and runs fine.
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mud4b wrote:i run a vitara efi in my sierra.(this is my second now as i sold the last)the first engine had the cat punched out and no sensor,but it had one in the extractors.it ran fine.the new one has no sensor(the cat is normal)but again it has one in the extractors and runs fine.
No impact on fuel consumption? How much do you get out of it?
My 1.6 with an auto behind it is doing between 9.5-10.5lt/100kms (roughly 50/50 break-up between city and highway driving)...
UPDATE: managed 8.5lt/100kms average on a full tank the other day
Last edited by WaveCult on Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
mud4b wrote:i run a vitara efi in my sierra.(this is my second now as i sold the last)the first engine had the cat punched out and no sensor,but it had one in the extractors.it ran fine.the new one has no sensor(the cat is normal)but again it has one in the extractors and runs fine.
So do they run two like I was talking about- one before the cat and one after?
Or do you mean it's been moved from wherever the normal location is to in the extractors?
David
Thanks Everybody for all the help. I checked and my zook has the 2 o2 sensors setup. I got one of those handheld computers that check the ECU for errors and it said that my secondary O2 sensor was bad, so i guess it's because there is no cat. I think i'll either buy the MIL eliminator or install the one i built.
Also, does anyone has experienced problems downshifting? Like when you're in 1st, then you pass to 2nd and if for any reason you want to downshift to 1st again, the stick gets REALLY hard like if something is blocking you from downshifting. I's really annoying on speed bumps where you have to be in 1st. I need to almost come to a complete stop before it lets me downshift. What could this be?
Also, does anyone has experienced problems downshifting? Like when you're in 1st, then you pass to 2nd and if for any reason you want to downshift to 1st again, the stick gets REALLY hard like if something is blocking you from downshifting. I's really annoying on speed bumps where you have to be in 1st. I need to almost come to a complete stop before it lets me downshift. What could this be?
98' Softtop Vitara, 1.6 16v EFI
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Suzuki: Because you dont wanna go offroad in you $50K SUV.
Max wrote:Also, does anyone has experienced problems downshifting? Like when you're in 1st, then you pass to 2nd and if for any reason you want to downshift to 1st again, the stick gets REALLY hard like if something is blocking you from downshifting. I's really annoying on speed bumps where you have to be in 1st. I need to almost come to a complete stop before it lets me downshift. What could this be?
That's the way it's meant to be... something about synchromesh (or lack thereof) which I can't explain
Surely someone'll be able to explain it properly, but what you can do is synchronise the engine speed with the shaft's speed so that 1st will kick in.
Typically 1st won't go in above 20kms/h or something like that because of differences in engine and wheel speed and 1st and Reverse typically don't synchronise on their own... but it is possible and actually reasonably easy to do by adapting your driving style.
On the Charade and the Terios I manage to do this at 50kms/h with no problem (and no real reason) by revving the car to the RPM range it would be in if it were in 1st, before letting the clutch go.
So theory is... if you're down-shifting, rev it a bit before letting the clutch go... if you're up-shifting let the revs fall with the clutch down before letting the clutch go.
It's actually quite simple. I'm just bad at exlpaining that's all
Hmmm... attempting to explain... drive in 2nd through the speed bump... say you're on 1000rpm, tap the gas taking it up to 3000 or 3500 with the clutch down and as the revs drop try to ease 1st in... when it's in synch it'll go in smooth as always... (you can feel it when it's in sink if you have the stick leaning into 1st, with little pressure... when you feel no resistence - or less resistence - that's when it'll slip in). Give it a bit of practice until you get the right feel for it. Don't fight the gear-stick, if it doesn't want to go, don't push it too hard as you're waiting for the right revs to be reached... you should be able to just feel it...
Typically it's Reverse that grinds a bit on some cars... the solution there is to (while stopped) get a synchronised gear in (eg: 3rd) and then slip it into Reverse and voila!
If you need further help let me know... I'll just borrow dad's car and get him to film it (mine's an auto remember?)
It's actually pretty similar to what you should be doing when down-shifting through a winding road to maintain speed control... you tap the gas so that when the gear kicks in, it's already in the right rev-range avoiding too much loss of speed and avoiding having your passengers curse at you for throwing them around with your gear-shifting.
Cheers,
Luis
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