Hi and a quick question

[Shiva]

Hi folks, just joined up and ploughing through 60 odd pages of brilliant info.
I'll put a noob intro post up somewhere but in short im a scottish expat in dubai who just rolled and wrecked his Pajero (long story dont ask) and is now looking to return to the daihatsu fold (used to have a taft).

Rockys and Ferozas are quite common out here but are massively underpowered for the type of sand driving we do, think 300m high dunes.
so im looking at a 3rzfe swap from a hilux, whilst out engine shopping i was offered a toyota 3s-ge Beams engine, does anyone know or has heard of this as a swap? is it even possible etc?

3s-ge beams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3S-GE

thanks
chris

[Goatse.AJ]

I know one of the guys in the states fitted a Yota motor to his Feroza (Rocky in the US). I'm sure someby will remember who it was and which thread it was in.

Welcome aboard.

[murcod]

Welcome

From memory that was a 2.7 litre EFI Hilux engine (four cylinder).

The 3S-GE possibly wouldn't have the torque increase (or curve) you'd need / want for the money involved? Perhaps try to source the 2.7 litre engine instead- it was designed with utes / 4WD's in mind.

You'd want to changed your gearbox and transfer case if it was a Feroza too- they aren't the strongest thing to start with.

The current model Hilux 2.7 is called a 2TR–FE and has 118kW @ 5200 RPM and 241Nm @ 3800 RPM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_TR_engine

The older 2.7 is called a 3RZ-FE 2.7 litre EFI engine. It is a twin cam multi-valve 4 cylinder engine that develops 104kW/4800rpm and 228Nm/4000rpm torque.

[Shiva]

Thanks guys,
Murcod you mention that the Ferozas gearbox isnt that strong, how about the rockys?
We get a weird rocky here the F93LG-MMDS comes with a toyota 4Y 2.2ltr petrol engine as standard , IFS and coils rear, solid roof SWB. I cant find it mentioned on any forums anywhere but I'm thinking it would make an easier swap for a toyota engine as it already has one as standard.
Has anyone heard of this model code before?

[murcod]

The easiest swap IMHO would be grafting in a whole Toyota engine / gearbox/ transfer case. That way you don't have to worry about custom bellhousings, whether the gearbox can handle the torque etc. Then you could look at fitting the Toyota diffs ... hmmm.... you should just buy a SWB Toyota!

Rockys do use a different gearbox, but I'm not sure how strong they are?

Can you get the 2.8l turbo diesel Rocky? One of them should do the job stock (or with some minor mods.)

[Shiva]

The easiest swap IMHO would be grafting in a whole Toyota engine / gearbox/ transfer case. That way you don't have to worry about custom bellhousings, whether the gearbox can handle the torque etc. Then you could look at fitting the Toyota diffs ... hmmm.... you should just buy a SWB Toyota!

Rockys do use a different gearbox, but I'm not sure how strong they are?

Can you get the 2.8l turbo diesel Rocky? One of them should do the job stock (or with some minor mods.)

Thx again, diesels not very common out here or it would be an option, its more expensive by a long way than petrol and petrol is cheaper than water( petrol is about .10 cents US per liter !!!) SWB toyota would be nice but they command a high price here hence the rocky option.
The other problem we have here is legal, to do a swap it must be the same number of cylinders and same fuel as the original which limits the options otherwise a V8 would be shoehorned in whatever it took

[mrRocky]

why not rebuild the motor with forged pistons and slap a turbo on a custom manifold along with some injection. boost will get ya up those 300m dunes

i just like putting pictures up now i know how

[Shiva]

turbo could yet be an option, i need to find out more about it though.
do you want to share the secret to posting pics

[mrRocky]

no

[murcod]

Upload the photos onto the internet somewhere and then put the following text in you post where you want the photo to appear:

[img]fullphotoaddress[/img]

Susbtitute "fullphotoaddress" with the location of the photo eg. "http://www.myphoto.com.au/my4wd.jpg" if that was the correct address.

when you submit the post the text will be replaced with the photo at that address.

[Shiva]

Thanks for that, will post some pics eventually then

[Kickingback99]

I read on a Phillipines Daihatsu club site where they were using a buick/holden 3.8L for a swap.

[murcod]

That was probably Besty's old Feroza- it's an Australian car with the Commondoor V6.