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C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
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C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.
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Pretty sure there are a few buggies running C4's in the US, but it's not the same use as winch comps.
I think that part of the problem with auto's is inadequate stall speed to get strong acceleration, but increasing stall has is own set of disadvantages.
Steve.
I think that part of the problem with auto's is inadequate stall speed to get strong acceleration, but increasing stall has is own set of disadvantages.
Steve.
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I want to try and keep the acceleration of the manuel as much as possible. I suppose it comes down to the motor a lot. The 302 has a huge amount of punch from down low right through the rev range.Gwagensteve wrote:Pretty sure there are a few buggies running C4's in the US, but it's not the same use as winch comps.
I think that part of the problem with auto's is inadequate stall speed to get strong acceleration, but increasing stall has is own set of disadvantages.
Steve.
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what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!
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The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!
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Same pattern up until BAludacris wrote:The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!
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I thought the bolt pattern was the same just the starter was different as it bolt on the outside of the bellhousing nowcloughy wrote:Same pattern up until BAludacris wrote:The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!
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Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word gocloughy wrote:Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far
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Different applications, you don't use yours in the bush6.5 rangie wrote:Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word gocloughy wrote:Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far
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True, but it takes off pretty good driving in and out of the shedcloughy wrote:Different applications, you don't use yours in the bush6.5 rangie wrote:Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word gocloughy wrote:Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far
Damien
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6.5 rangie wrote:True, but it takes off pretty good driving in and out of the shedcloughy wrote:Different applications, you don't use yours in the bush6.5 rangie wrote:Sorry used to mine, all the torque from the word gocloughy wrote:Low stall sucks for acceleration, not so good for comps6.5 rangie wrote:Put a low stall converter (900-1000) and full manual and the usaul things to strenghten it and should be fine. Cheaper than the GQ by far
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I will look into it as a 5 speed auto would be great. Although a lot more expensive to modify, purchase. As for the latest v 8's from ford, there are no adapters available as yet to bolt them to GQ boxes. So I am assuming that would be the same as bolting the newer boxes to a GQ transfer case.Modified Toy wrote:I thought the bolt pattern was the same just the starter was different as it bolt on the outside of the bellhousing nowcloughy wrote:Same pattern up until BAludacris wrote:The newer falcon V8 autos have a different bell bolt up patern to the old. Would be awsome though.bru21 wrote:what about a newer falcon auto from the v8? do they bolt up? I know the motors are different. my xr6 auto shifts hard, although the stall is annoyingly high - the car will not support itself on the slightest of hills making 3 point turns a 2 footed affair!
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Re: C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4ludacris wrote:Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.
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if you are doing the winch scene seriously then why not put in a NV4500 5 speed and a NP205 (twin sticked for front digs and tuff as nails)
then you get the 6.34:1 'granny' first and a 0.7:1 fifth so you crawl when req'd and put it in OD and get to the next obstacle!!
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and out in a T700r4 and a GQ tcase at least then the auto has ~3.2:1 low adn a good Odrive for outback stuff. and a reverve pattern compression braking valve body is available!!!
then you get the 6.34:1 'granny' first and a 0.7:1 fifth so you crawl when req'd and put it in OD and get to the next obstacle!!
or
http://72.20.96.178/commerce/ccpc1041-1 ... 0-8410.htm
and out in a T700r4 and a GQ tcase at least then the auto has ~3.2:1 low adn a good Odrive for outback stuff. and a reverve pattern compression braking valve body is available!!!
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Re: C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
Hell no the BW35 is one of the weakest boxes ford ever used.Pinball wrote:
From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4
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Re: C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
Pinball wrote:From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4ludacris wrote:Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.
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Re: C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
Yep it was weak on par with the TrimaticRUFF wrote:Hell no the BW35 is one of the weakest boxes ford ever used.Pinball wrote:
From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4
Spock
C4 on par with a T350
C6 on par with a T400
BTR on par with a TH700R4/4L60E
Re: C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
Actually the Trimatic is a much more reliable box than the BW35.Modified Toy wrote:
Yep it was weak on par with the Trimatic
C4 on par with a T350
C6 on par with a T400
BTR on par with a TH700R4/4L60E
Re: C4 Slush bucket. Any good for offroad winch comps
HAHAHAHA i've got 3 borg warners sitting here, i'll swap one straight out for a c4..Pinball wrote:From memory, back when i was playing with a TE cortina... the Borg Warner T35 was a stronger box than the C4ludacris wrote:Doing some home work on what would work well behind my 302. Heard the c4 wont zap me of to much power. True or false I have noticed some of the trucks with Auto's are just slugs. What about the Nissan auto compared to the C4. My 4.5 patrol Auto is just a slug.
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i'll even swap the one that works
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