5 litre in a cruiser

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:19 pm

I had a search but cant find anything on this subject.I am after some feedback on the Holdon 5 litre efi in a cruiser and what its like any pros and cons cheers.

Post by **sniper** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:11 pm

Too small IMO

Others may (will) disagree

Post by **chunderlicious** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:58 pm

dont have experience with the size in a cruiser but patrols which are slightly larger in size but might be lighter go quite well (patrolden of the forum) and there are others. tufenuf off the forum has a 304 aswell

Post by **sniper** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:01 pm

um patrols arnt larger then an 80 series....no way

They are smaller in frame and in weight

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:29 pm

what would be the go then 350 too pricey these days maybe a 5.7 ltr i am not sure which way to go

Post by **sniper** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:34 pm

I would go 350 LS1 or LS2

But wait for some more replies others may have more thoughts on motor. Some will probably disagree with me.

Post by **guerd87** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:48 pm

should go ok, if you have a little cash to throw around stroke it to 350

preferably something along the lines of a vr-vs 304 with vn 5l heads on it, good combo

saying this, you do know how much putting a v8 into an 80 series costs?

if you have a diesel, work the shit out of it and end up with a nicer truck

if you have a petty, then expect big dollars for the v8

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:34 pm

total cost around 10k or a bit less as i am helpin the engineer do it includes a rebuilt 5 litre but thats what i am unsure of.If i do it i dont wanna be pissed that i didnt do it right the first time.

Post by **known 2** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:42 pm

304 can make 500hp no wories. on paper they make the same power as a 305 chev and r just as easy to modifie and r cheaper to buy than a ls1 5.7.
i'm not a fan of ls1's

Post by **sniper** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:09 pm

Granted a 5Ltr can make big horses but the more ponies the more the fuel, so at what stage does a 304 push an 80 easily without a redicules fuel cost?

This is why I would of thought a 350 would be a better call as a stocka will produce more power and torque then a 304.

Post by **lux kid** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:15 pm

got a mate with a 304 in his 62s hi top. its RAD!!!!!!! drops line lockers on 33s no worries. he used a vn motor and cable auto. this setup works well in the bush.

another mate has a 350 chev and manaul, in the same 4x4.
the difference is to close to call.

reason he put it in was. fair reliable, parts are cheap and easy to find.
blower kits are cheap!!!!!!!!!!

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:42 pm

fuel is a factor aswell i dont want a fuel guzzler but i want performance as well hence the efi ???????? leanin towards 350 maybe

Post by **chunderlicious** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:47 pm

thought it was a 60 for some reason. my bad, still think a 5 litre will be plenty of power

Post by **Sic Lux** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:52 pm

304 stroke to 355 common kit to do maybe a little bit of head work and a cam to match i wouldn't go to crazy the harder you work it the less time it will last "within reason" or just go a 5.7 which is a 350 anyway and it's efi

Post by **hulsty** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:48 am

Bigger-benny wrote:total cost around 10k or a bit less as i am helpin the engineer do it includes a rebuilt 5 litre but thats what i am unsure of.If i do it i dont wanna be pissed that i didnt do it right the first time.

Wouldnt bother rebuilding a motor, not when new crate motors a so resonably priced these days.

http://www.eagleautoparts.com.au/featured_eng.htm

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:44 pm

i was actually thinkin bout gettin a crate motor as if i get the motor its less that i have to pay to the engineer.There are some good motors to be had to probably go for a tourqey motor over the revs.

Post by **fj45iris** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:03 am

i would swing towards five 0, these days u can buy complete motor , computer and harness for $1000 to 1500 every day of the week, most still with plenty of life left,
The cost of a gen111(5.7 or injected 350) is still five or six grand including computer and harness.
With the four or five grand u save u could rebuild five o or add supercharger or just blow it on piss if u like, in my personal opinion, i love to have as many ponies as possible but on this occasion if u r looking for reliabilty and fuel economy, then the standard five o would be your choice of beast

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 8:41 am

I will more than likely go a 5 litre as they are cheap as chips and heaps of parts around aswell the mrs will be drivin it mainly so cant go to wild(yet).

Post by **2.8D_Lux** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:04 am

here are some motors i have found on ebay for you

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Holden-VR-5lt-EF ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VT-SS-GEN-3-LS1- ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/BRAND-NEW-6-LITR ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Holden-308-strok ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VT-5-0LTR-ENGINE ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VS-SS-5-0LTR-ENG ... dZViewItem

Post by **Tuflux308** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:40 am

NutterGQ wrote:
Mulisha wrote:How do 5.0L and 5.7L v8's compare with the Tb42 turbo and RB30 turbo?

What RWKW or RWHP and tourqe figures are we looking at from the 4 ?

Cheers

Rick.
I'm a V8 boy I own a gen 3 VX Clubby and 520ci ford big block in my XB coupe, from an unopened Gen 3 you make 240-245rwkw unopened, great thing is there all the same except the C4B motor, so even a VT exec makes a good donor car.

VX has slightly better intake, vy onwards have higher ring tension, power wise not much in it. Problem is there running a plastic intake so the only way you can run LPG is to inject em or put an after market alloy manifold that costs as much as the motor.

I know the 5.0 is popular with some of you here but they suck. Save your breath I have done em up for customers and in my opinion there a waste of money, with a reasonable cam, extractors, pipes, tune and all other associated bits they only make 165kw to 180kw, you can buy a GEN 3 these days from $1500-$2000 much better proposition.

Post by **cross breed** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:57 pm

got a mate with a 5ltr in a 80s cruza. not worth the money you gunna spend. they are 185kw depending on what model and to work them you gotta spend big bucks. if you dont whant a diesel then better off with a rb30 turbo. the rb30 can handle 800hp as a standard block. the heads will need to be work for such power the the bottom end can take this power. dunno how long it will last at that power tho.
200 rwkw is easily acheivable on a rb30. and its only a matter of hiflow the turbo. a intercooler and injecters. then ya can to the heads,cam so on and so on. pluss the tourque is a massive gain on a turbo. keep in mind that you dont what a huge turbo because it will take ages to spool up. a small turbo that has been hiflowed is better for torque down low
hope this helps

Post by **known 2** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:38 pm

so your saying a 5l v8 isn't good enough but he's better of with a 3l six.

sounds like kind of a down grade from whatr he has now and he'd have to work it to achieve performance.

keep it toyota and use a 4.5l cruiser six. of if not v8 a ford turbo 6

Post by **Bigger-benny** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:10 pm

Already decided on a 304 efi with a chip in it to help a bit.I dont want a street machine just somethin that,ll get me where i wanna go on 100klm hr and maybe a bit more occasionally.Let ya,s know how we go anyway just gotta get time to do it now...

Post by **chunderlicious** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:28 pm

patrolden..... 5 litre with chip in his patrol alot of lift and 38s. still loves the power..... i recon youll love it.

Post by **Guy From Nowhere** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:15 am

Why not just try a Ford 302 Cleveland? I have one in my 60 series and it goes great guns. Also, if you decide later on down the track you need more power than the 302 can give you can just swap a 351 straight in. The cleveland 351 and 302 have exactly the same engine mounts and attachments. They are essentially the same engine!

Post by **booflux** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:38 am

chunderlicious wrote:patrolden..... 5 litre with chip in his patrol alot of lift and 38s. still loves the power..... i recon youll love it.

The 38s knock his gearing around heaps, I heard a rumour he only just pipped a 2.8 turbo Lux at Rover. I am sure it would have been a different story with the ratios done

Post by **lay80n** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:46 pm

known 2 wrote:so your saying a 5l v8 isn't good enough but he's better of with a 3l six.

sounds like kind of a down grade from whatr he has now and he'd have to work it to achieve performance.

keep it toyota and use a 4.5l cruiser six. of if not v8 a ford turbo 6

Acutally if you read what he wrote, he said RB30 turbo.

Layto....

Post by **known 2** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:25 pm

yeh i did read it corectly, layto.
but even a turbo rb 30 just wouldn't be right for a 80 series. it's just a little engine.

Post by **chunderlicious** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:26 pm

Guy From Nowhere wrote:Why not just try a Ford 302 Cleveland? I have one in my 60 series and it goes great guns. Also, if you decide later on down the track you need more power than the 302 can give you can just swap a 351 straight in. The cleveland 351 and 302 have exactly the same engine mounts and attachments. They are essentially the same engine!

same engine different crank

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