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GQ class , new winch challenge class?? updated....
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1 alternator only , 12 volts only , 2 batteries , unmodified drum , any genuine warn motor as long as its 12v, breathers and bracing, NO INTERNAL MODS AT ALL!!!Davidh wrote:Regarding winches, obviously the winch drum unmodified, 6hp Warn motor.
What about solenoids and batteries? Open as long as it's 12v? eg. I can run 6x1000cca's parallel?
Breathers ok? Bracing? Brake shaft mod? Alternators?
killbill wrote:I think its a great idea Darren that has a lot of meritt,it needs to be thought through properly,and the idea of controlled racing would really put th emphasis back on the drivers and the navigators, that would be a good thing to see.
thanks Bill,
although you don't know about cheque book racing hey!!! its all cash!!!
It'd be a bit dumb to run rovers, yotas, zooks,jeeps,etc. in a GQ class wouldn't it
keep your formula and run with it. no harm in trying is there. i reckon its a winner
keep your formula and run with it. no harm in trying is there. i reckon its a winner
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Bit dumb to limit your numbers by only running one make isn't it?GQ Bear wrote:It'd be a bit dumb to run rovers, yotas, zooks,jeeps,etc. in a GQ class wouldn't it
Just stick with rigs that have solid axle front ends and coils all round from the factory. Then its easy with the rules and mods allowed not allowed as its the same across them all.
I think Iam missing the whole point here you want to run more truck at a winch event running the the same tracks.So after 35 or 40 comp rigs with big HP have torn it up you then want less moded trucks with less experience to go though I don't see that as a great idea.I think the idea of budget racing is great but you are talking at least $15000 if you go from scratch and to me that isnt budget racing.It should be about the class and not manufacture less rules the more ppl are going to participate.
LETS GO BRONCOS
I brought an auto GQ off Ebay for $3900.00 with a factory rear locker.frp88 wrote:I think the idea of budget racing is great but you are talking at least $15000 if you go from scratch and to me that isnt budget racing.
I can build a cage in it for less than, but we will say, a grand. Thats $4900.
A Second hand winch bar, $500 bucks = $5400. A second hand high mount $1200 bucks and we're up to $6600. Just say i lash out on a spankers front locker i'm now up $8400. 1 set of control tyres and i'm smackin' ten grand with the purchase of the vehicle. To me that's pretty budget compared to what is spent at the moment.
How do you want to keep it any more budget than it is?
Guts.... I can't be bothered looking right through the regs, but how much difference is there between touring class and this proposal with any make allowed?
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
Just voted on the poll
I just voted for other makes!
BUT
Ive only done this because I could se this being a cheap thing if you used Suzukis as well.
I understand that many wont agree but I thought it may better to have some options for this type of class. Although the more makes availble will then make this harder to control which will make it more money to control therefore defeat the purpose all along to have a budget class.
If it has too be GQ then so be it.
I hope wreakers wont then start charging big bucks for parts then??
I just voted for other makes!
BUT
Ive only done this because I could se this being a cheap thing if you used Suzukis as well.
I understand that many wont agree but I thought it may better to have some options for this type of class. Although the more makes availble will then make this harder to control which will make it more money to control therefore defeat the purpose all along to have a budget class.
If it has too be GQ then so be it.
I hope wreakers wont then start charging big bucks for parts then??
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So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.Ruffy wrote:I brought an auto GQ off Ebay for $3900.00 with a factory rear locker.frp88 wrote:I think the idea of budget racing is great but you are talking at least $15000 if you go from scratch and to me that isnt budget racing.
I can build a cage in it for less than, but we will say, a grand. Thats $4900.
A Second hand winch bar, $500 bucks = $5400. A second hand high mount $1200 bucks and we're up to $6600. Just say i lash out on a spankers front locker i'm now up $8400. 1 set of control tyres and i'm smackin' ten grand with the purchase of the vehicle. To me that's pretty budget compared to what is spent at the moment.
How do you want to keep it any more budget than it is?
Guts.... I can't be bothered looking right through the regs, but how much difference is there between touring class and this proposal with any make allowed?
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.
LETS GO BRONCOS
what you need to remember is that just about every comp truck would start at $50K to build , most would be around the $100K mark and some would be pushing $200Kfrp88 wrote:Ruffy wrote:I brought an auto GQ off Ebay for $3900.00 with a factory rear locker.frp88 wrote:I think the idea of budget racing is great but you are talking at least $15000 if you go from scratch and to me that isnt budget racing.
I can build a cage in it for less than, but we will say, a grand. Thats $4900.
A Second hand winch bar, $500 bucks = $5400. A second hand high mount $1200 bucks and we're up to $6600. Just say i lash out on a spankers front locker i'm now up $8400. 1 set of control tyres and i'm smackin' ten grand with the purchase of the vehicle. To me that's pretty budget compared to what is spent at the moment.
How do you want to keep it any more budget than it is?
So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.
Guts.... I can't be bothered looking right through the regs, but how much difference is there between touring class and this proposal with any make allowed?
now to me $10 - 15K is budget racing compared to these figures.
most winches now would be worth close to this!
Although I am a rover man I just voted for GQ only.
There are plenty of cheap gq's around now, and most parts are reasonably priced and durable.
GQ only racing gives you the best chance to control options (and therefore cost), as well as being the best way to show case different driving skill.
The class could still run within existing events however a single vehicle on a track racing on their own does not obviously show driver skill. This class may be more suited to circuit type tracks (and may mean a return to calder park). Two or more teams compete at the same time over the same circuit either starting at the same point or at opposite ends of the track.
There are plenty of cheap gq's around now, and most parts are reasonably priced and durable.
GQ only racing gives you the best chance to control options (and therefore cost), as well as being the best way to show case different driving skill.
The class could still run within existing events however a single vehicle on a track racing on their own does not obviously show driver skill. This class may be more suited to circuit type tracks (and may mean a return to calder park). Two or more teams compete at the same time over the same circuit either starting at the same point or at opposite ends of the track.
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To me $15000 is to much for a comp only truck and I know that for some off the w/challange guys haven't spent more then $25000 for the complete truck.You don't need 700HP twin turbo for w/challange but for the outback or cliffhanger which are high speed events you do.krimnl wrote:what you need to remember is that just about every comp truck would start at $50K to build , most would be around the $100K mark and some would be pushing $200Kfrp88 wrote:Ruffy wrote:I brought an auto GQ off Ebay for $3900.00 with a factory rear locker.frp88 wrote:I think the idea of budget racing is great but you are talking at least $15000 if you go from scratch and to me that isnt budget racing.
I can build a cage in it for less than, but we will say, a grand. Thats $4900.
A Second hand winch bar, $500 bucks = $5400. A second hand high mount $1200 bucks and we're up to $6600. Just say i lash out on a spankers front locker i'm now up $8400. 1 set of control tyres and i'm smackin' ten grand with the purchase of the vehicle. To me that's pretty budget compared to what is spent at the moment.
How do you want to keep it any more budget than it is?
So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.
Guts.... I can't be bothered looking right through the regs, but how much difference is there between touring class and this proposal with any make allowed?
now to me $10 - 15K is budget racing compared to these figures.
most winches now would be worth close to this!
LETS GO BRONCOS
frp88 wrote:To me $15000 is to much for a comp only truck and I know that for some off the w/challange guys haven't spent more then $25000 for the complete truck.You don't need 700HP twin turbo for w/challange but for the outback or cliffhanger which are high speed events you do.krimnl wrote:what you need to remember is that just about every comp truck would start at $50K to build , most would be around the $100K mark and some would be pushing $200Kfrp88 wrote:Ruffy wrote:I brought an auto GQ off Ebay for $3900.00 with a factory rear locker.frp88 wrote:I think the idea of budget racing is great but you are talking at least $15000 if you go from scratch and to me that isnt budget racing.
I can build a cage in it for less than, but we will say, a grand. Thats $4900.
A Second hand winch bar, $500 bucks = $5400. A second hand high mount $1200 bucks and we're up to $6600. Just say i lash out on a spankers front locker i'm now up $8400. 1 set of control tyres and i'm smackin' ten grand with the purchase of the vehicle. To me that's pretty budget compared to what is spent at the moment.
How do you want to keep it any more budget than it is?
So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.
Guts.... I can't be bothered looking right through the regs, but how much difference is there between touring class and this proposal with any make allowed?
now to me $10 - 15K is budget racing compared to these figures.
most winches now would be worth close to this!
not many cars under 100k that are competitive
[quote="1MadEngineer"] Modifying the TB42 head, forged pistons, chromo rods and a very modified carby would easily rev to 8000rpm and running 16:1 comp would give me approx 300-340hp. Is it cus i am trying to cheat or cus i have the bits already and the brains to do it in my back shed?? [\quote]
what fuel you running to stop pinging at 16:1 comp? regular unleaded could be the governing factor here.
what fuel you running to stop pinging at 16:1 comp? regular unleaded could be the governing factor here.
Spit my last breath
See.. Your making it expensive for yourself!.. Within the rules of the class Darren is proposing my scenario was feasible... But you WANT more, not need more!frp88 wrote:So you certified to do the cage to get approved that is lucky for you.
You wouldn't buy a new winch for a winch comp truck I don't know why
cos to me it would have to be a new one at the beginning.
Winch rope and all rigging would be close to $1000 don't forget you need a sandanchor aswell
racing seats harness and underbody and side bars I think $15000 on my part is still convervative.
My budget racing would cage, original driveline,normal shocks,4 inch of travel between sping and bump stop,33 inch tyres any make any model for more ppl to enter.
This is budget, As mentioned alot of winches are worth 15 grand!
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
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