QLD XRCC - Please Review URL

[tjpete]

Please review this URL and give feedback: http://www.quantumtek.com.au/xrcc

I am interested in your thoughts on the 3 vehicle classes and configurations. The vehicle rules were drafted to intentionally open the code to as many teams as possible, not just those with big budgets.

Your feedback will be listened to, considered and incorporated wherever possible in the interests of promoting the sport.

If you don't like something, tell me, don't be a winger; there are too few of us pebblers at the moment and we can't afford to get this wrong.

I genuinely look forward to hearing from you all on this.

[POS]

pete

Great idea with the three classes.

It was basically just over a year ago i was wheeling in a stock surf now i will be competing in the open class in my "life sized re-mote controlled rock buggy"

What i,m saying is we all started out in stock or near stock vehicles so why not open it up for everyone.

Just one little Question RE: TRACTION.

I will be running locked rear but the front will be custom Traction control (set up the same as Sams) would this be classed as a form of locker.

Keep up the great work on promoting our sport.

[tjpete]

Pos,

The setup you have is considered a locking differential. You are correct in your selection of vehicle class, yes, you will be in the Open class.

Great to hear you are entering. Looking forward to receiving your entry in the mail.

[RUFF]

Couple of questions.
Does the $55 entrant fee cover park entry from friday till sunday as well?

I will be trailering my vehicle up there and will i have to pay park fees for the tow vehicle?

For repairs on vehicles is outside help after removal from a course allowed? IE:Not just driver and navigator allowed to work on vehicle?

In modified class and open class you are not saying that rollcages are mandatory just that if they are fitted they must comply to XRCC guidlines?

Ps;I should be right for entry in production class RIGHT?

[tjpete]

Ruff,

Thanks for these questions, they apply to all competitors.
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Question 1 ~ Does the $55 competitor fee cover park entry from Friday till Sunday as well?

Answer 1 ~ You will have to pay a park fee, of around $28 for the Friday only.

Question 2 ~ I will be trailering my space-craft up there, will I have to pay park fees for the tow vehicle?

Answer 2 ~ You WILL NOT have to pay a park fee for the tow vehicle.

Question 3 ~ For repairs on vehicles, is outside help after removal from a stage allowed?

Answer 3 ~ Once your vehicle is safely recovered from a stage, outside assistance in the way of mates, service crew is allowed. In fact, assistance from other competitors is also approved. The XRCC spirit of competition is about sportspersonship and helping mates stay in the game.

However, during competition, only the driver and spotter may work on, winch and recover their vehicle.

Question 4 ~ In modified class and open class you are not saying that rollcages are mandatory just that if they are fitted they must comply to XRCC guidlines. What is the go TJPete?

Answer 4 ~ In both modified & open classes, ROLL CAGES ARE MANDATORY. I sincerely hope, for the nurturing and safe participation in this sport, that all competitors will understand and accept this.

Question 5 ~ I should be right for entry in production class RIGHT?

Answer 4 ~ If you enter your mum's Barina, you will be in Production class but I don't think she will be impressed when you return it.

[POS]

Pete

just a quick question.

regarding the drivers chair rule it must be fixed to the rollcage.

I will be running an exo-cage and therefore no internal rollcage.

The exo will be attached to the chassis in six points but nothing to fix the seat too, will there or would there be an exception for this.

If not i'm sure BOOTIE FAB can come up with an idea.

[tjpete]

Question: "Must the driver's chair be fastened to the roll cage?"

Answer: "Please visit http://www.quantumtek.com.au/xrcc Click "Classes" and select the class you will be entering, according to criteria. Then scroll down to "Roll Cages" and read the first sentance carefully. Please pay attention to the date. Please note, cages are mandatory for the series. There is some dispensation for this first round only.

POS, if you still have a question after re-reading the section, call me anytime on 0428 727 020.

[Strange Rover]

Pete,

Any idea of what you are going to let run in the comp this first time. I think people are going to have the biggest problems trying to organise the roll cage, seat attached to roll cage and harnesses within the month. Most peoples rigs that I know of (that are keen to enter) have been specced up to run tuff truck rules which I beleive is need roll cage if no hard top and factory type seat and factory type belt.

I think the safty rules are a must for the sport but I can see I lot of people not entering this first comp given the short time frame to get their rig organised. But I guess, you gotta play safe.

Sam

[bj on roids]

whats with the fire extinguisher rule?

i have 2 x 900g chemical type one on drivers and one on passengers side, so no problemos there dude!!

just it says

HALON encouraged...... IIRC that 5hit is banned right? due to its potential to kill? i have maybe an old yellow bottle or two?!?!?! but i thought it was illegal

[Strange Rover]

Actually Rob your machine is looking fairly close to the correct spec for the open class.

Sam

[bj on roids]

thanks sam!! 8)

but i want to get in prostock, or unmodified class

(clearly im gunna have to read more than the fire extinguisher rules)

im headed on back there!!

[bj on roids]

i am worried that i will be limited to open class, although there is two rules i dont comply with currently for open class:

Connection positions of the roll cage must tie in to the frame of the vehicle at the four points surrounding the driver. Body mounts are considered a tie in point.
The front most position must be no farther toward the rear of the vehicle than 390mm behind the throttle and brake pedals.
The Cage must have a total of two spreader bars between the front main bar and rear main bar or halo bar.
Gussets must be welded in the four corners of the "halo" around the driver.
Magnetic, flattened expanded sheet metal, 1/8" sheet metal or 1/8" aluminium must cover area immediately over the driver seat and be welded or bolted to the four tubes surrounding the driver. Additional tubing may be used in place of plate steel or aluminium.
XRCC recommends a spreader bar to be mounted under the dash area to the right and left side of the front main bar.
Any variance of the above rules must be approved by an XRCC official inspector.

BUT it says variance can be approved....SO i guess if the cage is certified, then we are golden!

the only other problem i have is this:

Driver Chair:

All FIA/CAMS approved chairs.
Seats must be mounted to the roll cage, not the body


OKAY....BUT my seat/chair is engineer certified and mounted to the OEM postition within the OEM body, so does this allow me entry? because surely if it passed the australian standards for seating and seatbelts then it will be fine for XRCC???

either way i need to be adding som padding and some tubing to my cage to the drivers "halo"

[Strange Rover]

OK just looking at the rules again and the roll cage specs are for the 2003 season so I guess this is whats going to be required for next year which will be a good thing.

Im guessing these rules will be relaxed for this preliminary comp??

Sam

[bj on roids]

by relaxed, i think he means, try and get within the guidelines and maybe some exceptions, i think by next year i can clearaly qualify except i dont see how the front most point of the cage can be 390mm back from the accelerator HUH???

or whatever, i may just give cap'n pete a call (if he wants to talk) and shoot the breeze with him!!

[1MadEngineer]

As this was one of the big sore points from other comps i thought i might rase it.
A sectioned off marshelling/staging area in which vehicles (& drivers) are checked (vehicle & equipment & driver - alcohol test??) and deemed ready to compete for that stage, no leaving the area and no-one is to enter. This would hopefully stop the annoying 15min wait between drivers even getting to the start line.
Another area of concern is the introduction of either the U.S style 1 - 2 Hour mechanical repair time allotment per day or the "Rally" style "PARC FERME" whichis also used in some ARCA/EROC events. This would involved the vehicles to be parked in a central marshalling, area after the completion of the days competitive stages and are to remain untouched until time commencement for the next stage. This format works exceptionally well throughout the world and create a more equal playing field for all competitors, not just the one's with a pit crew of 10 or a workshop "down the road" where a complete transmission rebuild can be done. This will even-out the more standard vehicles as they will have to drive within thier rigs capabilities, evening out the competition in the area in which will eventually become the basis for competitor growth...

JUST AN IDEA????

[bj on roids]

dunno greg...mate!!


i have spoken to the srutineers for the event and my vehicle was fine as is!! The cage rules etc, apply for next year, at the current time, my rig is fine, i may change the cage a fraction for next years competition) but LARGELY they said as long as the vehicle is REGISTERED< and the brakes work, no leaks, generally safe and in good roadworthy condition!

[1MadEngineer]

Suggestions were only directed towards the event running smoothly, not the class rules or regs. Both you tony and adrian commented on the long time waiting between runs at TT due to the officials not getting competitors ready until the previous run was finished, instead of having them ready to go as soon as the previous run is over. I saw the officials check competitors on the line waiting, what a waste of time!!

[POS]

I think thats a pretty good point.

How boring was it waiting fifteen minutes just to see someone get breath tested and then another ten to see them drive (and then another two seconds to see them winch).

The issue with the rollcage will take a while too sort i suppose, but why not bite the bullet, do it now close to specs. That way when you go though scruteneering this time you can find out if it will be fine for next year.

I think this is nearly the whole reason petes running this so we all know what to expect in regards to the quality and types of rigs that should be running.

Like Sam said, it is a must for safety, and i am sure pete would be thinking the same.

I would much prefer to spend some time cutting, welding, chopping, swearing and sinking some cold ones with mates, then have my head splattered all over some of Petes track's.

Although some of us could use some rocks to make ourselves look a bit better.

HEY BJ

[bj on roids]