fwd motor and auto as box and transfer? buggie..?

[mashed_zook]

hey guys..
building my new buggie and im shore i have sceen ppl usea camry motor and auto with a welded diff as a replacment for a box and tranfer in a buggie??
any one done this???
also what did the gearing come out like?
i will be useing lux diffs with 4.88's and proberbly 37-39's

this is only a play toy so not for comp..

im shore that mock used this set up in his rodent buggie??

[RUFF]

What motor are you looking at using? A CA20 would be good.

[lay80n]

What motor are you looking at using? A CA20 would be good.

If you check the drivers seat of your zook you might even find one.

Layto....

[sierrajim]

Yes, we used the Camry motor in the Rodent.

As with most things you learn a lot when you build something then more as you use it. The original plan was to use a Honda engine and transaxle (all alloy) then when Mock got impatient and bought a Camry (it was CHEAP).

The gearing was OK with the 37's and MQ diffs (4.6 ratio). NOTE: Make sure your diffs have the same ratio both ends

The end result weighed 1024kg wet. If we had have used the Honda engine we would have come in under the 1,000kg limit and would have then used ballast down lower.

The Honda engine had more power than the Camry.

One other thing was the centre bearing in the front shaft, we used a Hilux one , should have used a "pillow block" (kick ass solid mounted bearing).

[BundyRumandCoke]

Wasnt there a rock buggy doing the rounds a few years ago, called Rocbug, running a Camira motor, or something like that, I saw it at Manar Park, and it did very well.

[chimpboy]

Does the weight of the motor tend to end up on one side this way? Or is the motor/gearbox weight reasonably well centred?

[CWBYUP]

What motor and gearbox set ups are strong enough to use ?

I was thinking camry with manual but wasn't sure if I would break it.

Nick

[Gwagensteve]

For any terrain you require the gear reduction and packaging of a rear mounted transaxle for you woudln't want a manual. Plus, gear linkages, clutch cable etc - it woudl be a PITA. Much better as an auto.

Mock's car never seemed to lack power, it's problems were more associated with turning circle and suspension geometry, nthing to do with the motor/gearbox. Seemed to thrive on abuse and rollovers

Steve.

[mashed_zook]

[quote="sierrajim"]Yes, we used the Camry motor in the Rodent.

As with most things you learn a lot when you build something then more as you use it. The original plan was to use a Honda engine and transaxle (all alloy) then when Mock got impatient and bought a Camry (it was CHEAP).

The gearing was OK with the 37's and MQ diffs (4.6 ratio). NOTE: Make sure your diffs have the same ratio both ends

The end result weighed 1024kg wet. If we had have used the Honda engine we would have come in under the 1,000kg limit and would have then used ballast down lower.

The Honda engine had more power than the Camry.

One other thing was the centre bearing in the front shaft, we used a Hilux one , should have used a "pillow block" (kick ass solid mounted bearing).[/quote]

cool cool.
should be using a lux 4.88's
the other thing i am thinking is the rotation in drive? as the motor will be front mounted not rear.. (although rear has crossed my mind a bit over the last few days) not a big deal to turn the centres 180' tho. and also the issue with the length of the front shaft? being as the output for the centre diff from memory is about at the bell housing, my front shaft will only be about 600 long...
I guess I can work my way threw it though... (more wb )

i have found a cammo for $500 still running and drivable.. so should be a very cheep option!

[CWBYUP]

Where can I get some photos of thi style of set up ?

I think i'm confussed.

[mashed_zook]

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... ght=rodent

thats mocks rodent buggie.

[lay80n]

Wasnt there a rock buggy doing the rounds a few years ago, called Rocbug, running a Camira motor, or something like that, I saw it at Manar Park, and it did very well.

Yep, Matt Dunk (sp? ) from Trail Craft built one, had a tubocharged camira motor. Blue frame with coil overs

Layto....

[sierrajim]

mashed Zook.

Best advice i can give you is not to build a buggy on the cheap. Take your time and use QUALITY components.

Example - Standard Hilux axles in a buggy with 37-39" tyres won't last long. They'll break and stuff your day.

Engine- The Honda engine is lighter (meaning it takes less to push its own weight around) and it has more power.

Seat - Don't use a cheap seat or harness, first tim you have a decent roll you'll regret having a cheap seat.

Take your time, use good parts and THINK about everything you do before you do it.

[lay80n]

Hond a motors had both gearbox on LHS and RHS of engine too (reverse rotation motors) which might make packaging easier, or allow for not flipping diffs to get correct drive dirrection.

Layto....

[mud4b]

Hond a motors had both gearbox on LHS and RHS of engine too (reverse rotation motors) which might make packaging easier, or allow for not flipping diffs to get correct drive dirrection.

Layto....

go the h22a vtec... awsome power.

[1MadEngineer]

Hond a motors had both gearbox on LHS and RHS of engine too (reverse rotation motors) which might make packaging easier, or allow for not flipping diffs to get correct drive dirrection.

Layto....

go the h22a vtec... awsome power.

h series are 30-50kg heavier than a b series and for not much extra hp, if you are going to wear the weight cost of a h22a then a 3sgte is <15kg more and has heaps more power and torque (~180-200hp and 350nm !!!!) and the 3s is a very reliable engine and easier to wire and modify. and if you change your mind get a std 3s bellhousing and slot a w series toyota box and tcase behind for RWD!!!

[mashed_zook]

[quote="sierrajim"]mashed Zook.

Best advice i can give you is not to build a buggy on the cheap. Take your time and use QUALITY components.

Example - Standard Hilux axles in a buggy with 37-39" tyres won't last long. They'll break and stuff your day.

Engine- The Honda engine is lighter (meaning it takes less to push its own weight around) and it has more power.

Seat - Don't use a cheap seat or harness, first tim you have a decent roll you'll regret having a cheap seat.

Take your time, use good parts and THINK about everything you do before you do it.[/quote]

im not as much as doing it on the cheep. just looking at what is going to be good for what i am doing.
this is going to be more of a zook truggy than a buggie (useing a zook chassi and some of the zook tub but mostly tube)

i may switch to gq's rather than lux.
tim dosent sceem to have many problems with his buggie on 37' stickeys..

dont worry seats and harneses etc will all be good quality stuff!

[sierrajim]

mashed Zook.

Best advice i can give you is not to build a buggy on the cheap. Take your time and use QUALITY components.

Example - Standard Hilux axles in a buggy with 37-39" tyres won't last long. They'll break and stuff your day.

Engine- The Honda engine is lighter (meaning it takes less to push its own weight around) and it has more power.

Seat - Don't use a cheap seat or harness, first tim you have a decent roll you'll regret having a cheap seat.

Take your time, use good parts and THINK about everything you do before you do it.

im not as much as doing it on the cheep. just looking at what is going to be good for what i am doing.
this is going to be more of a zook truggy than a buggie (useing a zook chassi and some of the zook tub but mostly tube)

i may switch to gq's rather than lux.
tim dosent sceem to have many problems with his buggie on 37' stickeys..

dont worry seats and harneses etc will all be good quality stuff!

Tim is also running Longfields, not standard Hilux CV's.

I know you have a Zook chassis sitting there, i think there was a picture somewhere with a Nissan motor on it somewhere. If you're running a transaxle i'd be building a chassis, there will be less work building a chassis to take a transaxle that modifying an existing front engine chassis to suit.

If it's a trail rig, you'd be better looking at building a pro mod (2 seat). Again i think there's probably more work in building a Pro Mod than an unlimited due to the tighter constraints but atleast you can go wheeling with other people.

[CWBYUP]

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/phpBB2/vi ... ght=rodent

thats mocks rodent buggie.

Thanks champ.

[lay80n]

Some build-ups of Honda powered buggies

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633445

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=633445

Layto....

[big_pathy]

Tim is also running Longfields, not standard Hilux CV's.

I know you have a Zook chassis sitting there, i think there was a picture somewhere with a Nissan motor on it somewhere. If you're running a transaxle i'd be building a chassis, there will be less work building a chassis to take a transaxle that modifying an existing front engine chassis to suit.

If it's a trail rig, you'd be better looking at building a pro mod (2 seat). Again i think there's probably more work in building a Pro Mod than an unlimited due to the tighter constraints but atleast you can go wheeling with other people.

basicly my plans are to run a zook chassi, lux diffs (with longfields), zook tub, but tube roof guards exo etc etc..
it will never be used on the road or over like 50kph at max..
there are no comps down here so it will be built to my specs to be honist..

i just want something light, low and super capable.. (in comparison to most things down here)

i am still thinking the cammo motor and box is looking at the best viable option to me..
will go do some mesurments tonight and go from there!

honda set up is also viable...

one thing that im thinking is what holds the tailshafts in the box? cammo ones bolt on, but honda ones are a push in cv.. and i have sceen them thrown out under high loads etc... (in fwd tubo cars but still)???

[sierrajim]

Transaxle in a front engined 2 seat vehicle = waste of time. Just use a regular front engine, gearbox to transfer. The other way is to put the motor in place of the passengers seat.

[redzook]

basicly my plans are to run a zook chassi, lux diffs (with longfields), zook tub, but tube roof guards exo etc etc..

there are no comps down here so it will be built to my specs to be honist..

i just want something light, low and super capable.. (in comparison to most things down here)

phil do you keep getting banned or? just like changing names

you say u want something light low and capable but u are using a standard chassis using a Suzuki tub having guards.
so your adding weight, width and you wont be able to get it low cos you have to design around the chassis. makes no sense to me.

u have failed to build your old suzuki because of money
yet your gunna try to build this

your in tas and i am nsw and i can see this isnt gunna happen from here, if it does go ahead it will be a POS anyways cos you dont take advice that you ask for anyways

[RUFF]

Didnt i allready ban you And i see you lernded to spell. Hows your Pintara going

[redzook]

Didnt i allready ban you And i see you lernded to spell. Hows your Pintara going

that is the ultimate insult to be affiliated with that cawk

[RUFF]

Didnt i allready ban you And i see you lernded to spell. Hows your Pintara going

that is the ultimate insult to be affiliated with that cawk