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Linc, you have not considered 3 words in rule 6.8.3 (well not in the way we considered them anyway). "non standard factory" - (as I remember the committee meeting discussion) was meant to rule out the grafting of factory fitted hydro assist steering out of some earthmoving equipment vehicle or truck. Rule 6.8.5 states that "Full hydro steering shall not be used." If we wanted to rule out hydro assist and full hydro we would have just plainly stated "Hydro assist or full hydro steering shall not be used". In trying to be more sussinct we have actually made it more confusing and that is why we will need to ammend the rules - but that is also why we are best placed to interpret the rules until this occurrs. (in retrospect we should have writted "DOT approved hydro assist steering is allowed")
Pete it is pretty bloody clear how the rules read regardless of how the "club or committee" interpret them and I pitty anyone that has built their 4x4 for this event and WAS going to use hydro assist and did not as a result of HOW THE RULES READ.
As the rules stand anyone that turns up with hydro assist should rightfully be turned away on one hand (YES THAT IS HOW THE RULES READ TO EVERY SINGLE HALF INTELLIGENT BEING) yet on the other hand you say that it was meant that earthmoving shit, etc can't be grafted to suit..............well as the rules read it is a MESS..........you say it was meant that earth moving shit could not be grafted yet even on your interpretations of the rules it can if is standard earth moving shit.
As the rules read NONE STANDARD means not standard to the vehicle and hence if THAT vehicle did not come with hydro ASSIST then it SHALL NOT run hydro ASSIST in the comp now you say if it is fine.
So if I was to graft a STANDARD earth moving setup to a 4wd that would fit within the clubs rules?????????
This whole thing is like a car crash..........you know how it is not funny but you can not bring yourself not to look laugh and go fark you poor prick that gotta hurt
Cheers
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
bowtie landie wrote:it is not how the rules are interpretted at all. We have no intention of stopping what is a legally approved conversion from competing. We set up the rules to require DOT approval on many of the conversions so that we did not have to spend hours scrutineering vehicles prior to each event.
The requierment for DOT approvals was also intended to stop the rules from being interpreted differently by different committees.
Pete effective what has happened is a good event has been fawked
I had need to speak with the head of Suncorp insurance the other day (regarding truck insurance) and guess what................
Suncorp (which many competitors are) WILL NOT cover any vehicle under their third party rally extension that is not in "a roadworthy state" which includes large tyres (they are willing to put this in writing if you wish????)
We all know what this means...................and at the end of the day the insurance companies have more money to fight a death (I hope it never happens) that a bloody 4x4 club. All that has gone on is the club has fawked a good event in the false belief that they are covered should the shit hit the fan which is not the case.
I am of the firm belief that the club should have just upped the entry fee to cover the appropriate insurance such as OBC, XRCC, Superior All Terrain, etc pays
Cheers
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
Linc, when are you going to move on with everyone else??
When you run your own comp better than TT you might have a leg to stand on.
Dont keep crapping on about it becuase your pissed off that you sold your pos and cant compete.
rant over
cheers Dan
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My POS complied with every current rule apart from the battery isolation switch which needed one wire run. I did not find things fun anymore and realised I would have more fun with my wife and kids ( yes believe it or not) .
Mate cause I am no longer affected (and never was if I spent 20mins on wiring - plus I can write my own mod plates if needed) I just feel for those that have built or redesigned their junk around rules that are not enforced as published and for what.........................at the end of the day you are not covered anyway in the event of a death, etc
Are you that new to it to think that a death as a result of an incident mid event has not occurred already and are you naive enough to think it won't happen again?????????
Cheers
Linc
[quote="chimpboy"]Punctuation is the difference between 'I helped my Uncle Jack off his horse' and 'I helped my uncle jack off his horse.'[/quote]
bowtie landie wrote:it is not how the rules are interpretted at all. We have no intention of stopping what is a legally approved conversion from competing. We set up the rules to require DOT approval on many of the conversions so that we did not have to spend hours scrutineering vehicles prior to each event.
The requierment for DOT approvals was also intended to stop the rules from being interpreted differently by different committees.
Pete effective what has happened is a good event has been fawked
I had need to speak with the head of Suncorp insurance the other day (regarding truck insurance) and guess what................
Suncorp (which many competitors are) WILL NOT cover any vehicle under their third party rally extension that is not in "a roadworthy state" which includes large tyres (they are willing to put this in writing if you wish????)
We all know what this means...................and at the end of the day the insurance companies have more money to fight a death (I hope it never happens) that a bloody 4x4 club. All that has gone on is the club has fawked a good event in the false belief that they are covered should the shit hit the fan which is not the case.
I am of the firm belief that the club should have just upped the entry fee to cover the appropriate insurance such as OBC, XRCC, Superior All Terrain, etc pays
Sorry GUYS ....Im with linc on this one, Was a top event until last year and all the crap started.... Im sure a lot of us (Competitors ) would Pay double or even triple the entry fee to compete...
bowtie landie wrote:it is not how the rules are interpretted at all. We have no intention of stopping what is a legally approved conversion from competing. We set up the rules to require DOT approval on many of the conversions so that we did not have to spend hours scrutineering vehicles prior to each event.
The requierment for DOT approvals was also intended to stop the rules from being interpreted differently by different committees.
Pete effective what has happened is a good event has been fawked
I had need to speak with the head of Suncorp insurance the other day (regarding truck insurance) and guess what................
Suncorp (which many competitors are) WILL NOT cover any vehicle under their third party rally extension that is not in "a roadworthy state" which includes large tyres (they are willing to put this in writing if you wish????)
We all know what this means...................and at the end of the day the insurance companies have more money to fight a death (I hope it never happens) that a bloody 4x4 club. All that has gone on is the club has fawked a good event in the false belief that they are covered should the shit hit the fan which is not the case.
I am of the firm belief that the club should have just upped the entry fee to cover the appropriate insurance such as OBC, XRCC, Superior All Terrain, etc pays
Sorry GUYS ....Im with linc on this one, Was a top event until last year and all the crap started.... Im sure a lot of us (Competitors ) would Pay double or even triple the entry fee to compete...
YOUR ON THE MONEY HERE LINC
Sorry I agree too...
I really didnt enjoy Round 2 or 3 last year there was soooo much biatching & carp going on. Did no one realise the amount of people that WEREN'T there at round 3?
Which was a real shame cause it was sooo much fun........Alot of us do pay double & triple the money to be able to compete.
bowtie landie wrote:it is not how the rules are interpretted at all. We have no intention of stopping what is a legally approved conversion from competing. We set up the rules to require DOT approval on many of the conversions so that we did not have to spend hours scrutineering vehicles prior to each event.
The requierment for DOT approvals was also intended to stop the rules from being interpreted differently by different committees.
Pete effective what has happened is a good event has been fawked
I had need to speak with the head of Suncorp insurance the other day (regarding truck insurance) and guess what................
Suncorp (which many competitors are) WILL NOT cover any vehicle under their third party rally extension that is not in "a roadworthy state" which includes large tyres (they are willing to put this in writing if you wish????)
We all know what this means...................and at the end of the day the insurance companies have more money to fight a death (I hope it never happens) that a bloody 4x4 club. All that has gone on is the club has fawked a good event in the false belief that they are covered should the shit hit the fan which is not the case.
I am of the firm belief that the club should have just upped the entry fee to cover the appropriate insurance such as OBC, XRCC, Superior All Terrain, etc pays
Sorry GUYS ....Im with linc on this one, Was a top event until last year and all the crap started.... Im sure a lot of us (Competitors ) would Pay double or even triple the entry fee to compete...
YOUR ON THE MONEY HERE LINC
So i gather you will come enter the next round of the "PRO TRUCK Challenge" in may!!! that is unless you are SCARED???? (cheap entry fee, and 5 times as much driving!!!)
BIG GQ wrote: I just feel for those that have built or redesigned their junk around rules that are not enforced as published and for what.........................at the end of the day you are not covered anyway in the event of a death, etc
Are you that new to it to think that a death as a result of an incident mid event has not occurred already and are you naive enough to think it won't happen again?????????
I totally agree with you on this one, I had to do alot of work on my truck to get it to comply, had to get a whole new steering set up and an engineer to mod it aswell. Even though its plated now, if I got caught driving it on the street by DOT they would look at the mods that have been done and tow it on the spot.
And yes I think in the event of an accident, insurance would not cover because (even I know) overall my truck would not totally comply with DOT.
cheers Dan
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Pinball wrote:Seems a lot of bitching from people who don't compete.....
Want to have fun again... drive more, modify less.
I'll now prepare my nomex fire suit... Spock
clown.....
On the Money there benny ....... I think he will have fun competing against the otrher 9 cars in Challenge class on the weekend. OR sorry is he in Trophy ... Who is he????????
I Know this will be the first round I/we Have missed since the very fiirst round of Tough Tracks ...I wonder how many Pin Ball has done?
The Big Green Meany wrote:
On the Money there benny ....... I think he will have fun competing against the otrher 9 cars in Challenge class on the weekend.
Sweet atleast I'll come in the top 10
cheers Dan
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The Big Green Meany wrote:
On the Money there benny ....... I think he will have fun competing against the otrher 9 cars in Challenge class on the weekend.
Pinball wrote:Seems a lot of bitching from people who don't compete.....
drive or not, your choice, you made it, that's your protest.
Want to rehash the rules, just link to any one of Linc's other anti this comp rants... save some download time.
Want to have fun again... drive more, modify less.
I'll now prepare my nomex fire suit... Spock
Where was i Biatching?
I simply stated that i agreed whith what Linc said & that i was not competing this round for the first time in 2 years.
My car is completly able to compete but as i stated i wont be cause i simply didnt enjoy it. again wher was that biatching?
Well Nick and I are not coming to this round, simple reason we are giving other comps a go and also it's sad to see the moral of the comp go down hill. Bring on the old days , but we may have a crack half way through. This will be our first missed round since Tough Tracks has started. Good luck to all that is competing. We may give you all a chance now
WHITEWIZARD wrote:Well Nick and I are not coming to this round, simple reason we are giving other comps a go and also it's sad to see the moral of the comp go down hill. Bring on the old days , but we may have a crack half way through. This will be our first missed round since Tough Tracks has started. Good luck to all that is competing. We may give you all a chance now
You did say you anted to get into the winch Comps... Hope to see you there, You will have a ball , you wont look back.
The Big Green Meany wrote:
On the Money there benny ....... I think he will have fun competing against the otrher 9 cars in Challenge class on the weekend. OR sorry is he in Trophy ... Who is he????????
I Know this will be the first round I/we Have missed since the very fiirst round of Tough Tracks ...I wonder how many Pin Ball has done?
Mayhap i should be clearer...
The largest noise is coming from persons who have already declared that they have no intent to meet the new rules and don't wish to compete in this event any longer. Their choice, their right to walk away.
However having made the "ultimate" protest by removing their money an vehicle to other pastures, it is my opinion that they don't need to continue to nitpick what they have left behind.
You're right, i drive trophy, my choice. I don't run as often as i'd like, my situation.
This will not be my first missed round, nor likely my last but it is with regret each time i do. My respect to those who can manage their funds, commitments and priorities to get out more often and to those who are more experienced in the scene than i, may your leadership and behaviour meet the standards that respect implies.
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I was going to head up about Lunch time Saturday for a look but is there anyone other than Scott/Ben Henry and the couple of others that have replied here actually Competing?
Hi All, Jane and I will be there with bells on. I am totally pumped and can't wait to do my first comp for the year. Unfortunately though my next one isn't till May considering the Superior Allterraine are rebuilding their tracks. I love all the comps and i know how hard it is to please everyone, unfortunately it is impossible to do, no matter what rules are in place. Good luck everyone and have fun.
ofr57 wrote:arn't you going to be there on the weekend spock?
nah... i'm a bust... all my navvies pulled out on me due to work/family commitments
was really lookin forward to tryin out the new transfer case and catchin up with ppl, mind you the missus has filled my weekend for me so i shouldn't get to depressed and it builds up brownie points for the next outing...
you guys have some fun for me, but don't break to much
Spock
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RUFF wrote:I was going to head up about Lunch time Saturday for a look but is there anyone other than Scott/Ben Henry and the couple of others that have replied here actually Competing?
Hi Tony,
we have 30 confirmed (paid) already and we always get more on the day. I have had a number of calls from competitors new to the Tough Tracks event and they are as keen as mustard. We have even been contacted by a 4WD Magazine who is keen to sponsor the events for 2008 - so it would appear that even the negative feedback has not dampened the event.
Speaking of dampening the event - Janowen Hills has only had 40mm of rain recently which has been enough to settle the dust. All the tracks are still open.
ofr57 wrote:arn't you going to be there on the weekend spock?
nah... i'm a bust... all my navvies pulled out on me due to work/family commitments
was really lookin forward to tryin out the new transfer case and catchin up with ppl, mind you the missus has filled my weekend for me so i shouldn't get to depressed and it builds up brownie points for the next outing...
you guys have some fun for me, but don't break to much
Spock
I dont mind doing ti but its abit late i guess for that?
