there breaking the new longs

Post by **4sum4** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:37 am

www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php? ... did=204924

Post by **ausyota** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:16 am

Yeah I saw that too.
Bit of a worry but I think its a bit of a "half the facts" kinda story.
Sounds like he is leaving out a lot of detail.

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:00 pm

Everything breaks if this is worrying you than dont wheel because no mater what you fit it WILL BREAK.

Post by **robbie** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:48 pm

someone should point hottiemonster to what RUFF just said.. good call

Post by **cbr** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:51 pm

ausyota wrote:Yeah I saw that too.
Bit of a worry but I think its a bit of a "half the facts" kinda story.
Sounds like he is leaving out a lot of detail.

Sounds a bit sus to me, espeacially with all that damage

Chris.

Post by **4sum4** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:13 pm

packing shit cause I`m expecting 2 of them on Dec 29

I`m hoping I dont get farked around with the wrong ones but I now what to look for.

Post by **spazbot** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:17 pm

what are you on about 4sum4 the wrong ones ???
bobby even says in the psoty that he seriously doubts that any untreated longs had been sent out

Post by **4sum4** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 1:27 pm

yeh but in one of the replys they said they sent him the wrong ones.
thats what I`m worried about.

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 6:52 pm

4sum4 wrote:yeh but in one of the replys they said they sent him the wrong ones.
thats what I`m worried about.

If you are worried about using them then send them to me i will refund what they owe you. Then you can run some stockers. At least you know they are stock and can wheel to suit.

Post by **308LUX** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 7:44 pm

hey RUFF how long are longfields lasting you blokes?

just interested cause after watching a few of Troy's vids im thinking not long :shock:

Post by **RUFF** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:12 pm

I run the original style Longfields.

My rig has been down for most of the last year.

I have wheeled it for one weekend since i rolled it(Outerlimits Wild Weekend) and i gave it heaps running a 4.4ltr leyland V8 dual cases double locked and 38"TSLs and they are still holding up fine. Before i rolled it i mainly ran 33"JT2s,22RE,Dualcases and double locked but as you may have seen from some of Troys vids i wasnt nice top the CVs. In one vid i was actually trying as hard as i could to break them.I ran them for allmost a year before my roll.

Adrian has broken one on his 38.5s and Bj has broken one on his 42s both of these were in for at least 3 months of hard wheeling.

This new style im still not sure on but i have ordered some as spares and we will also be running this style in the front of Sams new buggy on 42s.

Bobby has done a lot for the Toy axle and even with his business faults he still builds the strongest toyota CV on the market bar none. With Allpro's history i wouldnt buy the Profield and i defianatly wouldnt Pre-order anything from them. As for Smirfields i still havent heard of any real built rigs running them with success in the US.

Yes the Smirfs and Pro's are cheap but i can buy S/H stock CVs for $20 each so if cost was an issue i would just keep buying them. Cost isnt the issue i want something that works.

Post by **POS** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:18 pm

308LUX wrote:hey RUFF how long are longfields lasting you blokes?

just interested cause after watching a few of Troy's vids im thinking not long

Quite a while!!

Ruff's are clicking but they have been doing so for some time.

Both myself and bj have each busted a Long on the same Obstacle, prior to that they have coped a shiat load. I have Bj's original Long in one side and one of my original longs in the other. This is what they have out lasted!!!!!

1 Lokka Lock Wrong
3 short side axles
1 long side axle
2 Crown wheels and Pinions (one pinion actually exploded threw the top of the third member).
1 Locking Hub
1 Rear output shaft!

All axles, one C&p and the Hub was all before i fitted Traction control!!!

NOW CAN ANYONE TELL ME THAT THEY AREN'T WORTH IT!!!!!!

Even if the New ones are NOT QUITE AS strong (which i doubt) they will still cop a shait load!!

Post by **308LUX** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:03 pm

so '4sum4' i wouldnt worry about braking your longs mate,

if they are lasting half as well as RUFF, POS, BJ & STRANGEROVER say and these guys are IMO the most hardcore you'll see in Aus, then they must be farkin good.

as you can tell those outerlimits videos have got me a bit excited

Post by **POS** » Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:17 pm

308LUX wrote:so '4sum4' i wouldnt worry about braking your longs mate,

if they are lasting half as well as RUFF, POS, BJ & STRANGEROVER say and these guys are IMO the most hardcore you'll see in Aus, then they must be farkin good.

as you can tell those outerlimits videos have got me a bit excited

Well if thats the case, i don't think you should buy the "O/L weekend" Vid when it comes out!!!! :lol:

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 7:37 am

There is, in my mind a reason both Adrian and myself snapped longside lngfields, as the axle provides greater twist.

We also compete, which is harder on the gear too. I would say myself and Adrian had them 8-9 months before breakage. Including a few trips, and two comps. I have broken 2 short sides and twisted the splines on a long side.

I ran an ARB in the front and 9.25" crown wheel as opposed to POS with the hilux front centre, hence a lot less carnage in terms of front diff centres. Plus POS is just plain ole psycho!! Up until recently I was airlocker in the front and ON all the time. 42s 15" wide, at low PSI, 2300 kilos, and a big turbo diesel powerplant.

Now im lighter, and have a system which is much easier on the front axle, the traction control system is built by Ruffs Boss, Sam. BUT I do have 300HP and have been flogging it!

I don't know much about the traction control, except it works like a locker, and I havent broken anything in the front axle and ive driven harder than ever before. The Traction Control and Longs have proven themselves.

Post by **308LUX** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:20 pm

so does the traction control work in place of a locker, or in combination with the locker?

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:58 pm

308LUX wrote:so does the traction control work in place of a locker, or in combination with the locker?

my front centre (in the rock rail) is a toyota LSD from an 80 series rear diff.

Post by **POS** » Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:04 pm

308LUX, in all the O/L vids and XRCC vids that you may have seen, i am running LSD centre with Haultech Engineering Traction Control (another StrangeRover masterpiece ) on the front of the POS. It was and still is in a very big and ongoing trail process.

Sam has also worked on a few other goodies for the Trac/control.

Mine is working really well, in my mind 90% as good as a locker. The biggest factor is that its probably about 200% easier on the front running gear!!!

Post by **Ryan** » Thu Dec 25, 2003 12:33 am

bj on roids wrote:. I have broken 2 short sides and twisted the splines on a long side.
.

just curious, how do u tell when u have twisted splines?? or do you just find that out when it either goes bang or ya pull it apart next time??
got any pics??.... :armsup:

Cheers

Ryan

Post by **308LUX** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 9:09 pm

what sort of $$ is the price difference, traction cont. vs locker?

Post by **hypo** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 10:01 pm

i busted my longside long on the 5th trip on them and have since replaced it with a stocker and have been beatin on it harder than b4 and it has lasted longer than the long

Post by **POS** » Fri Dec 26, 2003 11:59 pm

308LUX wrote:what sort of $$ is the price difference, traction cont. vs locker?

Its still very much in the R&D stage. I am sure you will know of any progression with this system!!

Post by **Webbie** » Sun Dec 28, 2003 8:54 am

HYPO : have u got those new CV"S in yet and if so how are they faring :roll:

Post by **oozuk** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:34 pm

I know that this is the toyota section and all ... but what i wanna ask is,
does anybody know of sombody making stronger C.V.'s for sierra's ?? in The WT diffs ???

And yeah i have been told to ditch them and fit hilux's but i can't afford to buy another set of airlockers again as well as the complete diffs

Post by **POS** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:01 pm

You could try Brett Grinrod @ C.O.R.E!!!

He does hilux and some cruiser CV's, he may be able to treat yours!!!

http://www.core4x4.com.au/CORE4x4_contact.htm

Post by **oozuk** » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:06 pm

thanks for the info i'll give that a go

Post by **Toyo Truck** » Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:34 am

Hey Guys,

What is the rough cost on a CORE CV joint?
They look pretty good,
Are they big $$$$??

Cheers,
Bart

Post by **4sum4** » Wed Dec 31, 2003 11:54 am

Got 2 of the new longs today $584 total nearly didnt get them cause they spelt NSW new sack wells :roll:

Post by **hypo** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 10:53 pm

gtwebbie wrote:HYPO : have u got those new CV"S in yet and if so how are they faring

not yet man i am waiting till i break one of the ones in there ATM coz i sik of changing them but wen one goes in ill let u know

Post by **beebee** » Thu Jan 01, 2004 11:14 pm

Toyo Truck wrote:Hey Guys,

What is the rough cost on a CORE CV joint?
They look pretty good,
Are they big $$$$??

Cheers,
Bart

They are a similar price to purchasing longs from snakeracing. Fairly similar product but not as well proven as the longs. There are a number of people running them over Aus with no reported breakages (other than those that were still in the R&D stage).

I have broken one CORE CV (the inner cage) but this may have been an installation problem that was out of my or Brett's control. The situation is currently being ammended by Brett.

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