Suspension Bushes

Post by **CruiserCruising** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:06 pm

Just in the market for some new bushes for my toyota 80 series with 5" lift and just wondering whether rubber bushes or polyurthene bushes are better??? I have heard reports either way from suppliers......

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:25 pm

And you're likely to get reports either way on here too.

how have you corrected caster though? I don't think you can get rubber bushes with caster correction in them.
Steve.

Post by **whythef@#!not** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:51 pm

i just ordered a set today from redcliffe springs, they said the rubber ones are dearer and that the polyurethane ones last longer, no cracking,splits and hold there shape better. reckons they dont sell many rubber ones now, there must be an advantage to the rubber ones if they are dearer (youd think)

Post by **Slunnie** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:05 pm

You may also find that some manufacturers like superpro make polys with the hardness of rubber, so you can have the advantages of both.

Post by **nastytroll** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:44 pm

rubber is the only way to go, poly will crack and wear out very quickly.

Super pro panhard bush split and shot out of chassis end whilst driving a waterfall, 2 weeks old. Super pro rear lowwer arms 6 weeks old split at chassis end and steel sleeves were rattling around in trail arm. Radius arms, Super pro bushes 6 months old has 2mm clearance around sleeves, found this while trying to find a torque steer problem.

This is GQ coil cab, not much different to 80 series, expect the same with poly.

There is nowhere for the poly to compress to, so it splits.

You can get rubber caster correction bushes, ask suspension stuff.

Manufacturers would not spend extra on rubber if it was not better. My original bushes where 9 years old and had a hard life. I have had GQ's older that still had good bushes in them.

Post by **udm** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:51 pm

dont buy poly bushes, especially on a lift which allows the links to twist a little further. rubber is the only way to go.

Post by **Slunnie** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:22 pm

Hmmm, thats really interesting re the superpro. Id better pull mine out to check them. Actually, for shocks the ones that I have found work really well are the Rancho ones. Probably the one thing Rancho got right. Rubber just doesnt last in my shocks but are fine in the radius arms.

Post by **defmec** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:22 pm

poly bushes suck arse my rear ones exploded and changed shape in two 4b trips and the front ones made the radius arms click and clang went back to standerd rubber bushes and wont go near polys ever again

Post by **icrawl** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:40 pm

Post by **=SKB=** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:04 pm

Did any of you guys with failed bushes take them back or question the manufacturer?

Super Pro have a warranty I'm pretty sure...

Post by **udm** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:36 pm

=SKB= wrote:Did any of you guys with failed bushes take them back or question the manufacturer?.

no need to question, simply got my money back, also no questions asked from them, this was arb chipping norton.

Post by **CruiserCruising** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:43 pm

Castor isnt a problem because the front arms have been cut and welded on top of the diff to allow for standard bushes.

One of the tjm suppliers reckons rubber was better for the arcticulation/flex as compared to poly.

Post by **Hoppy11** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:55 pm

whythef@#!not wrote: polyurethane ones last longer, no cracking,splits and hold there shape better.

Check out my poly,the one on the right is cracked and out of shape as compared to how it started,the one on the left
Hoppy

Post by **Suspension Stuff** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:01 pm

Castor bushes should be rubber. Poly bushes do fine in shocks. Interesting read.

Post by **bulldogy** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:14 am

Just buy from arb im sure you will get top quality

Post by **udm** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:01 am

bulldogy wrote:Just buy from arb im sure you will get top quality

you missed my post when i mentioned arb bushes, their bushes are polyurethane aswell, 100% rubbish.

Post by **bulldogy** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 10:57 am

udm wrote:
bulldogy wrote:Just buy from arb im sure you will get top quality
you missed my post when i mentioned arb bushes, their bushes are polyurethane aswell, 100% rubbish.

Yer mate i did see your post i was just stirring with regards to this post if you havent seen it

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http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic145604.php

Post by **udm** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:07 am

ooh, i see

Post by **joeblow** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:05 pm

anyone notice how factory bushes and aftermarket bushes are manufactured differntly? usually the factory ones, particularly in an 80 are whats called 'bonded'. this is rubber bonded between steel sleves. and only the centre sleve contacts the chassis, so the rest can flex. poly and other stuff usually sits up against the chassis in all areas-no flex. not everyone has this bonding technology and its freakin expensive. but you will notice arb making alot of rubber bushes now, particularly in shocks. also if my engineer sees poly bushes...he won't pass it.

Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:47 pm

if you never go off road use poly

but if you do use your 4by go with rubber , im not sure but i think i read somewhere that patrol bushes will fit to a cruiser and vice versa , if so go with the gu slotted bushes as they flex much better and still last

Post by **Suspension Stuff** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:32 am

its aford not a nissan wrote:if you never go off road use poly

but if you do use your 4by go with rubber , im not sure but i think i read somewhere that patrol bushes will fit to a cruiser and vice versa , if so go with the gu slotted bushes as they flex much better and still last

They still last but not as long as the GQ bushes and they cost more, of course.

If you have a 2 or 3" lift then after market rubber castor correction bushes are recommended compared to stock bushes because they do correct your castor. I have not sold one set of poly castor correction bushes since I started selling the rubber ones.

Shane

Post by **DIRTY ROCK STAR** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 8:00 am

i got GQ bushes. rubber ones as i had heard they flexed better. and i went to CalOffroad. good price, good service and i had heard his product was top shiat.

seems to flex really well thus far.

Post by **Suspension Stuff** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 11:18 am

DIRTY ROCK STAR wrote:i got GQ bushes. rubber ones as i had heard they flexed better. and i went to CalOffroad. good price, good service and i had heard his product was top shiat.

seems to flex really well thus far.

As Castor bushes. They are like Holey bushes. They flex pretty good but won't last long.

I use to use them in control arms upper and lower and had issues so it is back to genuine rubber.

I use after market rubber castor correction bushes but they aren't CalOffroad.

I couldn't tell you about their other bushes.

Shane

Post by **sudso** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:54 am

CruiserCruising wrote:Just in the market for some new bushes for my toyota 80 series with 5" lift and just wondering whether rubber bushes or polyurthene bushes are better??? I have heard reports either way from suppliers......

Put genuine Nissan rubber bushes in all round. Longest lasting and best flex because they use top quality rubber.
Use GU Patrol slotted bushes in the front of the radius arms.

Post by **oondy** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:02 am

sudso wrote:Put genuine Nissan rubber bushes in all round. Longest lasting and best flex because they use top quality rubber.
Use GU Patrol slotted bushes in the front of the radius arms.

what he said!!!

cheers

OONDY

Post by **Chucky** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:22 pm

I have Poly's on my 80. I wont go them again. I only went them cause when I got the cruiser it had poly's in it and when they crapped out I didn't have and couldn't afford a press for the rubber bushes. They are only a few monhs old and already splitting. Next set will be rubber and I'll use the excuse to buy a press.

Post by **Suspension Stuff** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:51 pm

Chucky wrote:I have Poly's on my 80. I wont go them again. I only went them cause when I got the cruiser it had poly's in it and when they crapped out I didn't have and couldn't afford a press for the rubber bushes. They are only a few monhs old and already splitting. Next set will be rubber and I'll use the excuse to buy a press.

If you need castor correction then rubber ones are the go. They are not genuine but they are lasting. If you don't need castor correction then go Genuine as everybody has said.

Shane

Post by **Harrow** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 7:58 am

I have pollys all round front and rear in my 105 series and i love them have not noticed the felx being affected and i checked them all the other day and they were fine had them for about a year.

Post by **CWBYUP** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:00 am

Harrow wrote:I have pollys all round front and rear in my 105 series and i love them have not noticed the felx being affected and i checked them all the other day and they were fine had them for about a year.

Thats because yours dosent flex to start with

Post by **Suspension Stuff** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:52 pm

Harrow wrote:I have pollys all round front and rear in my 105 series and i love them have not noticed the felx being affected and i checked them all the other day and they were fine had them for about a year.

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