Nissan Trials 2008

[UZJ40]

yep 2008 forms are now on the site!

[CYRIL]

Wendy - good work.

Great idead being able to see your mates drive. Looking forward to that. In the past few years the comps have sort of lost their team spirit cause you drive your own race and only hear about your mates over the radio.

As for the point scoring - also good....I think.

I've always been told, careful what you wish for cause you might just get it...Be good to see if it evens up the field a bit.

Thanks CA

[blade 929]

yeah sounds great pity we can nolonger compete due to the stupid rule brought in about flares covering from bull bar to the sills and rear bar to sill on the rear we built our car last year to suit nissan trials and now we have to change it again ! thank goodness there's still willowglen where your car doesn't have to look like a fagmobile to compete .

oh well sad to miss it .

[turbo gu]

yeah sounds great pity we can nolonger compete due to the stupid rule brought in about flares covering from bull bar to the sills and rear bar to sill on the rear we built our car last year to suit nissan trials and now we have to change it again ! thank goodness there's still willowglen where your car doesn't have to look like a fagmobile to compete .

oh well sad to miss it .

How hard is it to put flares on a car. All the club is asking for is what your meant to have for road use. The rule has allways been there.Its just been rewritten and tighten up a touch with more trucks running tube rear ends, etc.
I would also say willowglen rules are the same.
Did you email any photos of the car to Miss Wendt and ask what needed to be done?

[taps]

Flares were in fashion in the seventy's !!!!!!!!!!

[buddha]

yeah sounds great pity we can nolonger compete due to the stupid rule brought in about flares covering from bull bar to the sills and rear bar to sill on the rear we built our car last year to suit nissan trials and now we have to change it again ! thank goodness there's still willowglen where your car doesn't have to look like a fagmobile to compete .

oh well sad to miss it .

How hard is it to put flares on a car. All the club is asking for is what your meant to have for road use. The rule has allways been there.Its just been rewritten and tighten up a touch with more trucks running tube rear ends, etc.
I would also say willowglen rules are the same.
Did you email any photos of the car to Miss Wendt and ask what needed to be done?

If they want vehicals to comply with road rules, i think they're a fair way off, dont you think! Why are Nissan trials just stopping at flares, an idea would be to have an RTA inspection do the vehical checks and see how many vehicals are found roadworthy then. The flare rule has been there for years and everybody should know by now you must have the flares covering ya tyres, so why change the rule again! Are they trying to force out some of the better vehicals.
Lets just see if last years winner goes and fits truck flares to his buggy.

[brighty]

yeah sounds great pity we can nolonger compete due to the stupid rule brought in about flares covering from bull bar to the sills and rear bar to sill on the rear we built our car last year to suit nissan trials and now we have to change it again ! thank goodness there's still willowglen where your car doesn't have to look like a fagmobile to compete .

oh well sad to miss it .

How hard is it to put flares on a car. All the club is asking for is what your meant to have for road use. The rule has allways been there.Its just been rewritten and tighten up a touch with more trucks running tube rear ends, etc.
I would also say willowglen rules are the same.
Did you email any photos of the car to Miss Wendt and ask what needed to be done?

If they want vehicals to comply with road rules, i think they're a fair way off, dont you think! Why are Nissan trials just stopping at flares, an idea would be to have an RTA inspection do the vehical checks and see how many vehicals are found roadworthy then. The flare rule has been there for years and everybody should know by now you must have the flares covering ya tyres, so why change the rule again! Are they trying to force out some of the better vehicals.
Lets just see if last years winner goes and fits truck flares to his buggy.

I dont think you really got the point of what turbo gu was trying to explain. As you already understand, the flare rules have always been there(and always will be, for insurance/public liability reasons) but what he was trying to say was that as it was described/enforced in previous years, it has now just been "re-written" (this isnt a new rule thats just been added in this year)in a more detailed manner with pics of what is expected this year. It may be that the insurance Co they are using has stated they need to be tighter in this regard or just for the simple fact that they want to bring everyone into line and not having people bending the rules to the extreme as shown in previous years.

I'm team manager for our club this year & I've been in touch with Wendy as some of our guys will have to alter their flares to become compliant with the rules this year. She advised that if you are a bit unsure if your truck will or won't be accepted give her a call and have a chat, she's a very nice and reasonable person to talk to and would rather people get it sorted before scrutineering as this is where most disputes start. Sending a couple if pics to Wendy or Chris would be the best way to confirm what is/isn't accepted, they are only too willing to point you in the right direction. Atleast then you can print you're email and take it along for proof that what you have has been ok'd.

Hope that clears things up a little.

Brighty

[turbo gu]

yeah sounds great pity we can nolonger compete due to the stupid rule brought in about flares covering from bull bar to the sills and rear bar to sill on the rear we built our car last year to suit nissan trials and now we have to change it again ! thank goodness there's still willowglen where your car doesn't have to look like a fagmobile to compete .

oh well sad to miss it .

How hard is it to put flares on a car. All the club is asking for is what your meant to have for road use. The rule has allways been there.Its just been rewritten and tighten up a touch with more trucks running tube rear ends, etc.
I would also say willowglen rules are the same.
Did you email any photos of the car to Miss Wendt and ask what needed to be done?

If they want vehicals to comply with road rules, i think they're a fair way off, dont you think! Why are Nissan trials just stopping at flares, an idea would be to have an RTA inspection do the vehical checks and see how many vehicals are found roadworthy then. The flare rule has been there for years and everybody should know by now you must have the flares covering ya tyres, so why change the rule again! Are they trying to force out some of the better vehicals.
Lets just see if last years winner goes and fits truck flares to his buggy.

I used it as ane example. And yes last years winner is fitting flares to his car as he wants to compete at the event!!!!

[65Mog]

Any accidents involving your vehicle are your responsibility not theirs. If a rock flicks up from your tyre and hits someone, they will be claiming on your green slip.
The PL cover they have doesn't involve the vehicles at all, so I can't see how how the flair rule has anything to do with their insurance cover. But it might help you.

[blade 929]

yeah sounds great pity we can nolonger compete due to the stupid rule brought in about flares covering from bull bar to the sills and rear bar to sill on the rear we built our car last year to suit nissan trials and now we have to change it again ! thank goodness there's still willowglen where your car doesn't have to look like a fagmobile to compete .

oh well sad to miss it .

How hard is it to put flares on a car. All the club is asking for is what your meant to have for road use. The rule has allways been there.Its just been rewritten and tighten up a touch with more trucks running tube rear ends, etc.
I would also say willowglen rules are the same.
Did you email any photos of the car to Miss Wendt and ask what needed to be done?

why email pics when there is a pic on the standard required on the nissan site ?
how hard is it to put on flares ? well i guess if your an off the shelf builder than nothing but not everyones car is as easy as yours to fit flares as desired for 2008 , so stop rolling your eyes as if you know my car and how easy it is to change .
i believe for road use your flares are to extend down to around 10" from the road ? do yours ?
i had no problem last year in either willowglen or n/t concerning flares , and i carn't realy fit truck guards under my tray nor down to my sills , and the front is harder again .

if its safety surely a rig with big horsepower and massive lift running required flares will still be tossing stones etc as the flares at sill hieght on a big lifted truck don't cover that much wheel .

if its for insurance purposes well i thought thats why i have to have my car insured and be a paying member of a 4x4 club (mind you thats another debate considering most insurances won't cover you in a comp /time trial/ offroad event etc )

i too would like to compete but not everyone can afford to keep changing their vehicle .
i have no issue with the rules as its their comp , but it makes it very hard to keep changing the vehicle to suit , i have competed in n/t since 04 and have had my tyres coverded (over the top ) no dramas so for last year i made my flares part of the exo cage again no dramas , than they rewrite the rule , its just fustrating .

one last thing surely if people are pushing the boundaries they should be told during scrutineering that their set up is on the limit and will require changes to be able to compete the following year . that way no one is left under a false impression that all is well for nest years competition

[turbo gu]

I'm rolling my eyes as i still can't see how hard it is to put flares on a car. You must have a wild car if there are no ways to comply with the rules. If you had connacted the club it probablely would have helped you so you can compete
The club did mention at class verification that there was changes happening for next year. if you did build the car to comply with rules it still should be very close to complying as the rules have always asked for the tyres to be covered.
Rules alays need to rewritten as people push boundaries and limits need to be set.
If you read willowglens rules it ask tyres to be enclosed within the bodywork or flares so i would have a guess your car dosen't comply with there rules.

[evanstaniland]

How hard is it to put flares on a car.

with some of our rigs its not as easy as bolting on some bunnings garden edging!!

why email pics when there is a pic on the standard required on the nissan site ?

where aboutson the nissan site is the picture???

link??

Evan

[turbo gu]

If you have any problems please contact the patrol club and we will try and sort out any issues that may arise. We realise all cars are different and some cars might require something slightly different to comply.

[blade 929]

How hard is it to put flares on a car.

with some of our rigs its not as easy as bolting on some bunnings garden edging!!

why email pics when there is a pic on the standard required on the nissan site ?

where aboutson the nissan site is the picture???

link??

Evan

http://www.nissanpatrolclub.org/trials/ ... rds-08.pdf

this be the one

[MUD CLUB]

blade 929

i made my flares part of the exo cage again no dramas

this part of your statement i just cant understand
if you can make an exo WITH METAL (i presume)
it really shouldnt be that hard to cut some plastic

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

i do have a question on the flares though guys.
what if your tyres stick out slightly past your panels at the front or rear? how do you cover that to sill height?
ok the front says to bull bar so that is fine.
but at the rear does the same apply, is covered to the end of panel/tray ok? or do you have to make up something that hangs out behind the vehicle and obviously supports itself pretty much?

[turbo gu]

i do have a question on the flares though guys.
what if your tyres stick out slightly past your panels at the front or rear? how do you cover that to sill height?
ok the front says to bull bar so that is fine.
but at the rear does the same apply, is covered to the end of panel/tray ok? or do you have to make up something that hangs out behind the vehicle and obviously supports itself pretty much?

For the front the flare starts where the guard starts dosen'have to go to the sill line at the front of tyre. The rear must cover the tyre tread from behind just as mud guards on utes,trucks and the like do. so yes it must go past the back of the body

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

i feel sorry for the guys on 49s, or if anyone has gotten 54 boggers yet.

if you make them out of thin sheet is that ok or will there be issues with the edge?
and if you use truck style guards -plastic and they break are you ok to continue?

what is everyone using to make their flares?

[CanberraMav]

I can see the truck style guards breaking on heaps of the events.

Anything with a drop off is going to breake them. Even any of the logs towards the end of the courses will bust them off.

The new regs seem a bit of an overkill. Is there an exact reason why they are so stringent now?

I realise people were cutting corners and stretching the rules before but this has sort of taken the flares to an extreme.

Oh well.

As mentioned.......If the guards bust off what happens then?

[thunder]

I have had this set up for around 2 years with no problems at all..will i have problems this year?.I dont think so
I have been thinking about changing the flares to something else but will not do it this year..no money.no time

[ozy1]

Charles, i looked at the trucks you have used as an example, yours and Pauls,

now
pauls doesnt look too bad, but lets say you were going to compete, would i be correct in saying you would be knocked back due to your flares not meeting the rules of sill height?

click pic for larger view

[Nat84]

I guys just got a Q for ya....I have been reading the last page of this post about the flares. I know what you guys are saying but wouldn't flares be ponit less on a lifted 4wd that has no mud flaps as the flares would stop well be for the axel line

Nat

[blade 929]

blade 929

i made my flares part of the exo cage again no dramas

this part of your statement i just cant understand
if you can make an exo WITH METAL (i presume)
it really shouldnt be that hard to cut some plastic

my front wheels sit past the front grill and my rear sit back past the tray , if it was as simple as sitting some plastic on the guards that wouldn't pose a problem but now i'll have to make support brackets to hold them into postion , and since this is the only comp (im fine for willowglen ) that i need it like this its becomes alot of work for some thing that only detracts from both the appearance ( although mines ugly anyways) and the deparcher angle .

i can fab something up but its the time and $$ needed to do this for one comp that ive been doing since 2004 with nothing said regarding my flares .

[turbo gu]

Charles, i looked at the trucks you have used as an example, yours and Pauls,

now
pauls doesnt look too bad, but lets say you were going to compete, would i be correct in saying you would be knocked back due to your flares not meeting the rules of sill height?

click pic for larger view

By the rules my car wouldn't comply! Not that i am competing. We are realistic if the flares are close to sill line we will accept but if they are 20 cms away it ain't going to pass.
What thunder has is fine. its a reasonably strong material and covers the tyres.

[Mid73]

Come on people don't you have anything better to do than bit@h about flares. The time that eveyone has gone on about this they could have made something.
The rule where rewritten because to many people pushing friendship, what about the over changes to the rules there is no mention of the recovery point.
just my 2 cents

[ozy1]

Come on people don't you have anything better to do than bit@h about flares. The time that eveyone has gone on about this they could have made something.
The rule where rewritten because to many people pushing friendship, what about the over changes to the rules there is no mention of the recovery point.
just my 2 cents

We are not bitching about flares, we are bitching about "guards" there is a difference in the two, not complaining about recovery points because i agree with the rules on those,

[blade 929]

Come on people don't you have anything better to do than bit@h about flares. The time that eveyone has gone on about this they could have made something.
The rule where rewritten because to many people pushing friendship, what about the over changes to the rules there is no mention of the recovery point.
just my 2 cents

recovery points are a bit more serious than guards considering they generaly get used at least once during the whole comp , so it becomes a major safety issue if one broke during a recovery , and window nets again are pretty important considering the amount of flops and rolls becoming common in the events

[Miss Wendy]

Hi everyone,

Just relax on the flair/guard thing for a little bit. We will have some discussion on matter. We wont be letting up ( too much) but will try and define things a little more for you. We don't want to knock you back, its you guys providing the entertainment after all. Just trying to be seen to be doing the right thing for insurance and safety sake. Keep mailing pics if you wish, they are getting looked at.

In the mean time I thought you might like to know the clubs in so far.
In no particular order.....

1. All Coast
2. Nepean
3. Canobolas
4. ACT 4wd
5. Raymond Terrace
6. Maitland Districts
7. Kamikaze
8. Discovery Club
9. TLCC
10.Southern Tablelands
11.Brindabellas

Good work on the paper work. Lots of content on the forms. (exept for a couple and they will be done again minus the smarty-pants modifications).
Just to also let you know not to bother sending me your CTP greenslip papers, I don't need them. If its registered they will have sighted these. So just your vehicle insurance thanks.

[Miss Wendy]

We have reworded to Flair rule slightly. So hoping this makes a little more sense.


The front flare should follow the wheel arch down to the sill line.
The rear tray can form part of the flare/guard with cover down to sill/chassis height front and rear of the tyre.
Rubber,plastic or metal can be used.

Await your feedback...

[evanstaniland]

how wide do they have to be?? as my exo doesnt cover the full width of the tread and im not going to trash my street guards.

i can understand the need for wheel guards but RTA spec seems a little over the top, making guards up to get ripped off or smashed in is stupid and depending on how its done can be expansive.

Evan