Xtreme Production Winch Challenge (New Name)

[prontozuk]

question on sierra engine. Are we able to update from carby to injection but still keeping the original 1.3L engine.

Also are we able to do engine enhancements that are straight off the shelf.. Extractors, Cams and Exhausts.

This is a great idea for off-road motorsports.

Seeya James

[XTREME MMM]

question on sierra engine. Are we able to update from carby to injection but still keeping the original 1.3L engine.

Also are we able to do engine enhancements that are straight off the shelf.. Extractors, Cams and Exhausts.

This is a great idea for off-road motorsports.

Seeya James

Unless that model (year) came out with it you can, if it did not you cannot change.

Yes you are allowed to fit extractors, exhaust and cams. As long as it is allowed to be used on the road.

Cheers
David


Again remember this is a type of event where you do not have to spend a million dollars to go and have fun.

If you did not have a vehicle it would be very easy to step into this event for around $10k (about the cost of a full on comp truck front winch) that includes the purchase price of a vehicle.

Cheers
David

[prontozuk]

Hi David,

thanks for the very speedy responses. Another annoying question. Adding power steering as 32s on a sierra can be very hard to do at low speeds and at 10psi.

Thanks James

[HeathGQ]

i think its great Dave, keep up the good work!!!!

Shorty, 3", locked, cage, WARN, 33's....... lets go.

Anyone looking at it seriously? I'll be willing to help out and navi. Not in a financial position to set one up myself.

[CWBYUP]

...was speeking to mick of the forum today and he was telling me that TJM are fitting CAMS spec 6 point roll cages to mining vehicles...

Yes this is true, but these are CAMS SPEC INTERNAL CAGES that are built to a set of design rules and are done properly. I have seen the stuff they do and its good.

There is not no set rules for External ROPS and is open to interperation.

There are some good quality mine trays and some very very bad ones. The problem is both comply with mine specs.

To give you an idea, to bilud a good quality mine spec tray the builder has to refer to about 300 to 400 pages of protocols and information booklets and specifications etc.

An internal is about 17 pages.

[XTREME MMM]

Hi David,

thanks for the very speedy responses. Another annoying question. Adding power steering as 32s on a sierra can be very hard to do at low speeds and at 10psi.

Thanks James

That will be ok as long as it is DOT plated.

Cheers
David

[WOZ]

Dave, is fuel injection off same engine series ok? eg:L28E in MQ , TB42e in GQ or we have to use lpg to make older petrols run fine up hills??

[XTREME MMM]

Dave, is fuel injection off same engine series ok? eg:L28E in MQ , TB42e in GQ or we have to use lpg to make older petrols run fine up hills??

Sorry the easiest way around this is:- Year and model must run and be the same.

So yes you will have to run LPG

Cheers
David

[TRobbo]

Dave can I answer the next question re a modification, can i, can i, can i, pleeeeaaase




No you can't do it unless it came out the factory like that

[XTREME MMM]

Dave can I answer the next question re a modification, can i, can i, can i, pleeeeaaase




No you can't do it unless it came out the factory like that

If you have any questions please refer to above comment.

That was brilliant!!!!!!!!


Cheers
David

PS:- again if you have any questions please refer to above yet again.

[prontozuk]

Hi David,

I know I am becoming an annoying individual however I would rather ask the stupid questions now then get to the start line and be turned away due to my twisted interpretation of the rules.

my question is it still ok to change from a single carby to multiple carbies. Or what about propane instead of LPG.

Thanks in advance.

Seeya James

[gward]

where will the comp be based in south east qld or further afield? ie will a round be held in rocky same as XWC also what about winch steel cable or plasma?

[XTREME MMM]

Hi David,

I know I am becoming an annoying individual however I would rather ask the stupid questions now then get to the start line and be turned away due to my twisted interpretation of the rules.

my question is it still ok to change from a single carby to multiple carbies. Or what about propane instead of LPG.

Thanks in advance.

Seeya James

Question are good regardless stupid or not.

Multi carbys - YES

Propane - NO

LPG (petrol motors) - YES

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

where will the comp be based in south east qld or further afield? ie will a round be held in rocky same as XWC also what about winch steel cable or plasma?

More good questions.

At the moment venues are likely to be SE Corner or Northern NSW.

Rocky is great, but I do not want to do several events at the same site.

But if anyone has property suitable south of Rocky I am keen to have a look.

Steel cable or Plasma rope, as I am trying to make this as cost effective as possible, steel cable will still be allowed.

Competitors will be able to spectate while the SS are being run.

Cheers
David

PS keep the stupid and good questions coming.

[tomahawkracefab]

...was speeking to mick of the forum today and he was telling me that TJM are fitting CAMS spec 6 point roll cages to mining vehicles...

Yes this is true, but these are CAMS SPEC INTERNAL CAGES that are built to a set of design rules and are done properly. I have seen the stuff they do and its good.

There is not no set rules for External ROPS and is open to interperation.

There are some good quality mine trays and some very very bad ones. The problem is both comply with mine specs.

To give you an idea, to bilud a good quality mine spec tray the builder has to refer to about 300 to 400 pages of protocols and information booklets and specifications etc.

An internal is about 17 pages.

your sayin theres no set rules for a rops? then you say theres 300/400 pages of protocol on them? a rops for mine use has to built to an australian standard and is far more recognized by workcover and insurance companies than a cams rollcage...a cams cage isnt subjected to destructive testing...they dont even specify an 'AS####' for the welds, nor do they specify a protection/weight capacity value that you'll see in the AS for rops...read up on the standard..internal cages dont meet rops

[Lexlux]

MMM With this much interest it's got to be a sucssesfull comp. Be a good starter for my daughter, but I'll need another Hilux. Will a GPS or ground anchor be needed?

[Gazza the Chippy]

I've always wanted to give it a go but had no hope against the big guns, I'm keen for this. Gazza!

[Tailspin]

Hey there Dave, Top idea. What about Beadlocks??

[FESTA]

this is our conversation 2 years ago mmm
LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Big Green Meany]

Great Idea Dave..... Race truck One weekend and Tow Truck the next

[XTREME MMM]

MMM With this much interest it's got to be a sucssesfull comp. Be a good starter for my daughter, but I'll need another Hilux. Will a GPS or ground anchor be needed?

GPS - not at first but possible for Round 2 (if so you must use mine)

Ground anchor - Yes

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

Hey there Dave, Top idea. What about Beadlocks??

Beadlocks - NO

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

this is our conversation 2 years ago mmm
LOVE IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I know and a couple of more people had been dropping that idea over several years.
Last weekend there were a few more suggestions for such and event.
And then Chris and myself started talking on the way home. From that first post on Sunday it has taken off like a bad bushfire.

I am looking forward to see how far this fire can spread.

Cheers
David

[Clayton's Racing]

All sounds good so far. On the GPS stages, I think you should give them a miss. Purchasing a GPS unit is a cost that is not needed, stick to 4wding and winching, keep it simple like your trying to keep the whole event.

[pigletracing]

RE:- BEADLOCKS
how about STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS, unlike mechanical beadlocks these are legal to use on the road ??? safty is good, would hate to peel a tyre of the rim on a speedy corner

[chev]

top idea looking forward 2 see it come together and get my truck ready

[XTREME MMM]

RE:- BEADLOCKS
how about STAUN INTERNAL BEADLOCKS, unlike mechanical beadlocks these are legal to use on the road ??? safty is good, would hate to peel a tyre of the rim on a speedy corner

What part of NO don,t you understand.

Yes they may be road legal, but I am not going to say you can just use them.

I am trying to keep the cost down, so the answer is still no.

Mike regards GPS. As I stated it would not be until Round 2 if I do do a GPS, and yes you will not have to buy a GPS. Everyone will use the one that I supply, not theres. So all teams will be in the same playing field.

All for now.

Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

Some more updates as questions are being asked.


4 door vehicles such as a wagon or dual cabs:- Rear seats to remain and cargo barrier to be fitted behind drivers - codrivers seats.

All panels to remain original. (steel)

Front inner guards to remain.

Remember if it did not come out in year of manufacture you cannot have it.

Cheers
David

[basketcase]

Diffs - Ratio changes only

Reduction gears - NO

Cheers
David[/b]

Why Diff ratio changes and no reduction gearing??

In a sierra I can get close to the same low ratio with reasonable reduction gearing as I can with extremely low diff ratios.

[XTREME MMM]

Diffs - Ratio changes only

Reduction gears - NO

Cheers
David[/b]

Why Diff ratio changes and no reduction gearing??

In a sierra I can get close to the same low ratio with reasonable reduction gearing as I can with extremely low diff ratios.

Rules have to start some where and yes you can have ratio changes but no reduction box/gears.

And while on the yes you can and no you cannot:-

Welded diffs will not be allowed.

If all else fails refer to the perfect comment from TRobbo:-

"No you can't do it unless it came out the factory like that"

I know it will be hard on some, but you do not get a chance to start and run a very standard event to often. You can always lift the rules but it is very hard to change/go back afterwards.

Take the XWC, at the start vehicles were not much more then standard and driven to the events. The XWC has progressed to a stage that it can not be hauled back from what it has become - "A great event with some amazing machinery". This is progress!!!

I put in a more standard class, but 99% still want to compete in Open Xtreme.

So if you want to run an EFI in your 89 Patrol or a 253 in your 40 Series there still is an event for you - ARB XWC - Xtreme Class.

With a brand new event I can put some strict guide lines in from the start . So if you want to run under the rules I am putting together for an event where you can compete with a limited budget in vehicles (nearly) from the show room floor and everyone on the same playing field. This will be the event for you.

Keep the questions coming, it is better out in the open then hidden away.

Just remember the only correct answer you are going to get will be from me.

So if in doubt give me a call:-
0418 745 830
david@xtreme4x4sport.com.au

Or if all else fails keep adding to this post.

Cheers
David