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locker problem
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locker problem
Hey guys just after some ideas on what could be wrong with my air locker .
The first time i locked it in it worked then the second time the compressor wouldn't shut off and the locker wasn't working . when i got home i tested it and it worked fine. I spoke to the shop that fitted it he had no ideas without looking at it. I've tested it a few times since without a problem, but finally tonight it did it again , as soon as i hit the locker switch the compressor would restart and the air was rushing straight out the diff breather. So obviously its got a leak but why is it intermittant ? and what is it ?
The first time i locked it in it worked then the second time the compressor wouldn't shut off and the locker wasn't working . when i got home i tested it and it worked fine. I spoke to the shop that fitted it he had no ideas without looking at it. I've tested it a few times since without a problem, but finally tonight it did it again , as soon as i hit the locker switch the compressor would restart and the air was rushing straight out the diff breather. So obviously its got a leak but why is it intermittant ? and what is it ?
Im here for the sausage!
Re; Locker problem
We had had similar problems to this and after a lot of head scratching the locker was removed, checked ,o rings replaced, checked again, refitted...........In short no problem could be found. But the intermittent problem was still there.
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
Re: Re; Locker problem
waxen wrote:We had had similar problems to this and after a lot of head scratching the locker was removed, checked ,o rings replaced, checked again, refitted...........In short no problem could be found. But the intermittent problem was still there.
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
What a variance in a QUALITY CNC MACHINED UNIT but 4X4 guy told us all that this is impossible! ARB ARE THE ONLY SHIT HE SAID
sounds like you all have been had . YOU ALL must have cheap chineese copies
Might keep my CNC machined lockright at least it works $199 us
85 high roof 1.3, 6.5 tc, air lockers,ruf and 34 swampers. yep its an ugly pos.
more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
Re: Re; Locker problem
ajsr wrote:waxen wrote:We had had similar problems to this and after a lot of head scratching the locker was removed, checked ,o rings replaced, checked again, refitted...........In short no problem could be found. But the intermittent problem was still there.
The locker was removed again, this time it was coaxed into misbehaving on the bench, by loosening the seal ring and realigning it, (this was because it had moved itself) every now and again after the centre was rotated it would leak. The journals etc were checked for runout, the seal ring was ok too, but a new seal ring was put in anyway, the id of the new ring was a couple of 'thou larger than the old one and so far it has not leaked again.
In summary the conclusion was that the combined sum of tolerance limits with that collection of parts was the problem. Anyway it may give you a starting point.
Cheers
What a variance in a QUALITY CNC MACHINED UNIT but 4X4 guy told us all that this is impossible! ARB ARE THE ONLY SHIT HE SAID
sounds like you all have been had . YOU ALL must have cheap chineese copies
Might keep my CNC machined lockright at least it works $199 us
Go the Lockrite - miss mine - better than my current Air Leaker
Paul
Lexus LX470 - hrrm Winter Tyres
Gone - Cruiser HZJ105 Turbo'd Locked & Lifted
Gone - 3L Surf
Gone - Cruiser HZJ105 Turbo'd Locked & Lifted
Gone - 3L Surf
4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
You're such a funny man
4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
And another wanker who has been here 5mins and being an asshat.
THOUGHT FOR THE DAY....
i second that notion.turps wrote:4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
And another wanker who has been here 5mins and being an asshat.
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The main problem with air lockers is the person installing them. have installed a few with no problems. being lazy when assembling a diff can lead to all sorts of problems. the only problem with air lockers is the seals, but if installed correctly they will still last for years.
with out th correct tools and the knowledge to use them will always end in disaster.
As for bagging out members that have been on the site for a long time and with decent sound mechanical knowledge, well pull your heads in.
with out th correct tools and the knowledge to use them will always end in disaster.
As for bagging out members that have been on the site for a long time and with decent sound mechanical knowledge, well pull your heads in.
MUD, MUD, GLORIOUS MUD!
since I've only been a member here a short while and obviously don't know anything about diffs, my opinion on this isn't worth a pinch of bat poo.
(have a search, I'm sure I've said it all and more on air locker installation over the years.)
If air lockers leak on activation, you have an installation problem. Air lockers I installed over 150,000km ago are still going strong.
things that might happen that probably shouldn't but you can live with:
1. if you don't have an air tank in your system, the slow pressure build up can allow air to bypass the o-rings or the internal u-ring and the locker may not engage. rare but it happens. the air locker system is designed to seat 80 - 120psi, not 5psi.
2. In front diffs with locking hubs, if the diff has not rotated and the o-rings or u-ring are dry on the top half out of the oil, some air can bypass. a short drive with the hubs locked will circulate oil and rectify.
4x4 guy is right, even if his messages could be slightly more tactful. The air locker is a finely engineered bit of kit, it deserves careful installation. The instructions are comprehensive and easy to follow, it's not hard to get right even for a backyard mechanic who is careful and can follow instructions.
(have a search, I'm sure I've said it all and more on air locker installation over the years.)
If air lockers leak on activation, you have an installation problem. Air lockers I installed over 150,000km ago are still going strong.
things that might happen that probably shouldn't but you can live with:
1. if you don't have an air tank in your system, the slow pressure build up can allow air to bypass the o-rings or the internal u-ring and the locker may not engage. rare but it happens. the air locker system is designed to seat 80 - 120psi, not 5psi.
2. In front diffs with locking hubs, if the diff has not rotated and the o-rings or u-ring are dry on the top half out of the oil, some air can bypass. a short drive with the hubs locked will circulate oil and rectify.
4x4 guy is right, even if his messages could be slightly more tactful. The air locker is a finely engineered bit of kit, it deserves careful installation. The instructions are comprehensive and easy to follow, it's not hard to get right even for a backyard mechanic who is careful and can follow instructions.
Free air locker to the first 20 callers!
This guy sounds like he went to the same school of customer care that arb use.4x4 guy wrote:WHAT PART OF THE TRUTH DON'T YOU CLUELESS WANNABE BACKYARD MECHANIC'S LIKE?
TAKE YOUR DIFF TO A REPUTABLE 4X4 STORE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND STOP BLAMING THE PRODUCT.
INSTALLION ERROR CAUSED THIS PROBLEM.
YOU GUYS ARE FUCIN CLUELESS.
T
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SIMKELL KNOWS.....
at least there are a few people on this forum that know the TRUTH despite what others say.
i see and repair quite a few diffs that were installed by people that think they know what they are doing,and despite have VERY comprehensive instructions they still manage to make simple mistakes which lead to problems.
and they all say the same thing-they blame the product,never themselves.
being tactful is not something i am good at.
especially when dealing with people on forums.
SIMKELL KNOWS.....
at least there are a few people on this forum that know the TRUTH despite what others say.
i see and repair quite a few diffs that were installed by people that think they know what they are doing,and despite have VERY comprehensive instructions they still manage to make simple mistakes which lead to problems.
and they all say the same thing-they blame the product,never themselves.
being tactful is not something i am good at.
especially when dealing with people on forums.
mate let us know your business name so we can all stay well clear of it.4x4 guy wrote:DUMBDUNCE KNOWS.....
SIMKELL KNOWS.....
at least there are a few people on this forum that know the TRUTH despite what others say.
i see and repair quite a few diffs that were installed by people that think they know what they are doing,and despite have VERY comprehensive instructions they still manage to make simple mistakes which lead to problems.
and they all say the same thing-they blame the product,never themselves.
being tactful is not something i am good at.
especially when dealing with people on forums.
your acting like a 2 year old that has just been told there is no santa.
JEs
ATTACH BROKEN TOYOTA HERE--->
DUCATI <-----Worlds best warning label
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I wonder if he fits gearboxes and is from SE MElbourne.turps wrote:4x4 guy wrote:more CLUELESS comments from a CLUELESS internet nobody's.
if you set the seal housing up correctly in the first place it would not have leaked!
simple as that.
installation error but yet you come to the conclusion that the PRODUCT is at fault.
WRONG!!!
TRY TAKING YOUR DIFF TO SOMEONE THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
DON'T BLAME THE PRODUCT.
AJSR- you clueless wannabe,you keep that piece of shit lockright and bang it fair up your ass.
And another wanker who has been here 5mins and being an asshat.
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