Hard Rubber Smell when operating in 4l or 4H Position

[JoJoELII]

G`Day from Germany 2 all AUS Feroza Guys .

...we are the guys with the woodgrain stuff on their lowered Feroza dashboards...
NOT REALLY so far... But: laughed a lot about this topic !!!



I was in the Winter holiday in Austria and had to use the 4H and 4L Position quite often for deep snow driving . (Yes guys, it is winter on this part of the planet right now...) When I stopped after driving some KM`s there was a hard smell from underneath the Feroza. It smelled like burning rubber, very intensive smell. Like somethng is burning up.

Can anyone tell me where it comes from, hence where I should look first ??

Before the holiday trip I changed the exhaust from end of the cat to the rear end. The old rusty silencer hung at only one rubber, the new one I hang up with 2 rubbers which should be OK from the workshop manual. I looked at these two rubbers and they both seem to be OK and are not burned.

One guy here told me the smell comes from the front axle, which runs out of grease, but I checked it, it is OK.


Any idea available ???

Thanx in advance and good luck to all Feroza owners !

JoJoELII

[murcod]

Hi JoJoELII, welcome- good to see your English is better than my German!

Here's a posibility for that smell : I've read on the WARFS site apparently you can get a smell like that with your hubs locked in 4WD if you drive over high traction (ie. not slippery/ loose) surfaces. Possibly that may have happened while you were in the snow?

Here's the extract from the WARFS site ( www.warfs.org ) :

"I was out 4x4ing and left my truck in 4wd when I was on the pavement between trails. I noticed a strange smell coming from my truck. What was this smell and what caused it?"
This smell was coming from your locking hubs on the front wheels as they were starting to burn up. The rocky/feroza/sportrak's 4wd system is made for low traction surfaces and should not be used on high traction surfaces.

PS: Got any pics of your Feroza to post?

[JoJoELII]

Hi David !

A huge "Thanx" from me for your fast answer. It was very helpful for me.
Yes, in Austria they melt the snow with lots of salt on the main roads, but the small roads leading to the wooden ski-resorts int the mountain area are only cleaned by pushing the snow aside.

Because my Feroza is equipped with that unsatisfying automatic lock hubs I drove on "not-slippery surface" with the front loocked. Hey, it is not possible to pull back 3 to 5 meters at every street crossing just to unlock the hubs. The drivers behind me would not really understand that....

I will replace the hubs with manual locking hubs from AVM which are available here at EUR 184,- ( AUD 295,-) . Then the prob should be solved.

At the time being my original cast-iron extractor is broken, which results in f*** high consumption. It is already the second time this part causes me trouble. Extractors for the Feroza are not available here in Germany, nor in Netherland or Austria.

Asking in AUS lead me to MRT and Lukey extractors. Material price is nearly the same for both but the air transportation costs as much as the extractor itself.... Any idea how to get a extractor cheap to my place? Which brand of extractors is preferred in AUS for Ferozas ?

Sorry, no pics available at the time being, but will follow.....

It is a 1992 F300 ELII in grey-metallic (bottom) and mint-green (upper) colour. It has a grey hardtop and roof. Some KC beams in the bullbar and 4 Hella beams in the custom-made roofrack. Normal Tyres 225/70 R15 on original steel wheels, but wide-tack adaptors (+60mm per axle) are mounted.

Kind regards an thanx again !

JoJoELII

[murcod]

If you've got the normal (well for here in Australia anyway!) transfer case lever to select 2wd, 4wdH and 4wdL then maybe you could just shift back to 2wd and leave your hubs locked?

That's what I normally do when I go out four wheel driving, I lock the front hubs before I need the 4wd and then just put it in and out of 4wdH or 4wdL whenever I need the extra traction offroad. As long as you haven't got a welded or locked front diff it doesn't cause any problems doing this.

The MRT extractors supposedly now have very average welding done on them when they're made. A few people have had problems with holes developing in them. The Lukey are a 4-1 design which will give more top end power- a 4-2-1 design is usually preferred for a 4WD as it gives more torque at low revs.

I recently bought some Hurricane brand 4-2-1 extractors (made here in Australia) for AUS$270 and they appear well made. I'm happy with the improvement they've made. There's pics and more info available here: http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=11930

Is your Feroza left hand drive or right hand drive? From the info I've found it's unknown if the Hurricanes will fit a LHD Feroza. SimplyPV is trying to order some for his LHD but having trouble sourcing a supplier here in Australia. If yours is RHD I can probably help out as the place I got mine from will freight them overseas, but isn't keen on selling them to SimplyPV incase they won't fit on his LHD vehicle.

[ShinyDiscoBalls]

Perhaps this will help....

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/default.htm

Looks like there's a distributor in Germany.

Cheers

[murcod]

Try this page.

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/dealers.htm

There are a couple of good features with the MRT extractors- they're mandrel bent and also have the flex section built in. If you could score a set with decent welding they'd be good.

Here's a pic of them:



Looks like they've also got the gearbox mount and the coolant pipe mount my Hurricanes were missing (and they bolt directly onto the cat!)

Would definitely be the easiest to fit and best value- the flex section cost me $54 extra.

[SimplyPV]

hey david.. found some more info about those extractors for future reference and maybe this new fella.... after much head scratching, i decided to go talk to my welder, then an exhaust expert and i have conluded that the hurricanes will fit the lhd feroza/rockys. it seems i will have a bit less than half of an inch of clearence between the steering shaft and header itself. my biggest concern there was possible heat damage to the steering shaft. great news there, i have been shown some material that could slip over the steering shaft (like a sleeve, used for other purposes) that will reflect heat off of it... no worries there! i will go ahead and place the order in for the hurricanes. also jus got an email from daryl i have an aftermarket cat and i'm redoing my exhaust with 2 inch fitting so no worries about welding there. as for the new fella... you think you got it bad... lol... i'm gonna be paying out of my ass for air freight alone! but thats ok.. its well worth it! i will keep you 2 updated on the progress of my order. thanks soo much for your help david.. couldnt have done this without u man!

[murcod]

Good to hear it worked out in the end!

Daryl might have to get into the exporting business.

[JoJoELII]

Hi SimplyPV and David !

Thanks so much u all for the help so far.
I feel that the solution for the extractor is right in front of my door.....

My F300 EL II is a LHD, as in the US we have right-hand traffic.

Can u please give me some information about the following :

1. where can I buy this Hurricane stuff ( article no or product code ?)
any more product informatiopn available ? (www.-adress?)
2. What is the heat reflecting material for the steering shaft like?
Where can I purchase it ?

Importing into Germany is not the kind of a problem for me, that is my job-profession normally.

Regrettably air freight charges are that expensive, I will have to pay my ass off also for that.....

Special greetings to Oregeon, I was close to move to this nice place in the late 80`s, but that is another story...........

Hear you soon.....

JoJo

[JoJoELII]

Hi folks,

sorry asking for the pictures of the Hurricane 4-2-1 extractor. Thanks David, I saw your pics on the link.

...what would I do without all of your help and support....?

These extractors are more than I expected being on the market for Ferozas !! They do look quite Hi-Quality on the pics.

Looks like it is a "must have" for solving my probs with the standard extractor.

Can you please check out an exporting supplier ( USA or AUS) for this, who accepts Visa payment (money transactions Germany to AUS cost nearly unaffordable bank fees...)
I also would like to purchase a flex-part for this extractor.

Thanks in advance for your help.

JoJo

[SimplyPV]

hey jojo, i'm currently in the proccess of attempting to place an order for those hurricane extractors. i will let you know whats up. from what i recall from murcod, he said he paid $270 aussie dollars for em... i dunno what ur currency runs for (i think its euro?) so go to the currency exhange website and you can see how much it'll run ya.... as for air freight.. i still havent gotten an answer for that yet... i will be giving the fella a call later tonite if the call goes through.... so we'll see what happens.... btw jojo, us rocky/feroza owners few so we stick together and help eachother out as much as possible and ALWAYS welcome a new daihatsu owner. stick around and you'll learn alot! we have a faq artical on the top of the listed topics as well as an owner's post... so post a pic of ur rig and tell us all about it! happy wheeling!

pv

[ShinyDiscoBalls]

btw jojo, us rocky/feroza owners few so we stick together and help eachother out as much as possible and ALWAYS welcome a new daihatsu owner. stick around and you'll learn alot! we have a faq artical on the top of the listed topics as well as an owner's post... so post a pic of ur rig and tell us all about it! happy wheeling!

pv

Let's hear it for PV!!!!!!

I vote to make PV Marketing officer of the Daihatsu Forum.... anyone second that?????

[murcod]

JoJo probably the best place to deal with here in Australia at the moment is where I got mine from. Daryl, who owns the place, said he'd be happy to help PV in the USA although they've never exported parts before.

Their website is www.everlastmufflers.com.au try sending them an Email, just say David who just bought the Hurricane extractors for his Feroza put you onto him. Sometimes he's a bit slow answering his Emails, but he'll help you out. Possibly wait until PV has got his fitted before placing a firm order to make sure they'll fit your LHD Feroza.

[JoJoELII]

Hi there!

....I found some nice pics of a red Feroza from the Phillypines.
And guess what, PV: It has extractors mounted and THERE IS SOME
(OK,very small) SPACE left between the extractors and the steering shaft.

Hooray, seems we get the hurricane project working.......

Here`s the link: http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/479566/9

Lets keep in contact !

JoJo ..from f`ing cold Germany where it is that heavy raining just now that you cant see the hood ornament on your car.......

[SimplyPV]

yes david and i had come to that conclusion.. but its nice to know someone had already done it... woo great find jojo. that does everything for me..removes ALL doubt.. now if i could jus get ahold of daryl.... lol man what a tuff bloke to a get ahold of... david if u dont mind.... give him a call and tell him to check his email!!! i cant seem to reach him. this whole time difference screws me up. i'm not sure how far ahead of me you guys are. its currently 4 mins to 12 as i post this so.... david let me know what you find out alright? give daryl a hollar and tell him to check his email!!! billing info is on there... might want to also mention to him that jojo is interested... lol... might be a good idea if daryl starts looking into some kind of contract for exporting goods...

[murcod]

Your post comes up as 5:27am PV- it would be safer to give him a ring on that phone number rather than sending credit card details via Email!

[JoJoELII]

Hi David,

if I do understand things right, you mean it is better to contact Daryl from everlastexhaust by phone? Is he not going to answer e-mails ?

I am a bit confused about that right now.....

Anyhow, I am asking for your friendly support "on the front end" in this matter.

I would like to order at Everlast as follows:

1. Hurricane extractor (same as in your picture/ 4-2-1) approx. AUD 270,-
2. Flexible Joint /adaptor for custom connection extractor to cat. AUD 54,-
3. Gasket engine to extractor (hard to get from "D" here in Germany)

Transportation should be done by airfreight, Hellmann Freight forwarders. Hellmann has an office in Adelaide: Hellmann Worldwide Logistics Pty Ltd, c/o Patrick Air Services Building, Sir Richard Williams Avenue, 5950 Adelaide, phone: 61 8 8234 3155, fax: -4255

Receiving airport code is FMO ( Muenster-Osnabrueck-Int`l Airport)

Freight costs can be done with "freight collect at destination", it is the cheapest way for Everlast and for me, cause I know the guys at Hellmann FMO very well and did do a lot business with them in the past.

I would like to pay the parts with VISA-card, number and my adress data will be forwarded then separately due to more security.

David, will you talk to Daryl for me, please ?

Thankx so much in advance

JoJo

[murcod]

Daryl does answer the Emails- he may just take a while. I was suggesting to PV that phoning to finalise order might be safer than Emailing credit card details....

That picture of the extractors you posted is not of the Hurricane ones. Each extractor design is slightly different and the Hurricanes aren't made with fitting a LHD Feroza in mind. Going by the measurements PV and I have taken they should fit, but it's not a certainty. So if you're not in a desperate hurry it would be best to wait until PV has got his and he can let you know if they definitely fit.

I can drop all your details etc off to Daryl when the time comes.

By the way, unless you're planning on doing the entire exhaust system don't worry about the flex. There isn't enough space to fit it in before the catalytic convertor ( I take it you guys have them too??) They also came with a new gasket, although it's not a stainless steel one like the genuine Daihatsu original.

I'll be getting mine put in when I get the rear section after the catalytic convertor replaced.

[SimplyPV]

david i redid my exhaust last year but kept the orig extractor at the time.. no flex joint... prolly added to the problem... i WILL be adding a flex joint this time since i gotta get everything rewelded... i got a nice little cherry bomb muffler to slap on so with the extractors i'll be able to get rid of the "ricey" sound and get a very nice growl from the rig.... daryl is taking FOREVER to respond to his email.. i'm really trying to avoid making the call cuz it is hella $$ and i'm on a very tight budget due to other mods being planned to be done this week. more details later since thas another story. david if you would pls give daryl a ring for me and tell him to check his mail.. hes got a buyer!!! possilby 2... if he rushes this he would be doing 2 people a HUGE HUGE HUGE favor.... lol let me know whats up. i'm not sure what i'm going to do for the flex joint as of yet... my friend said he could prolly come up with something cheaper so i will let you all know whats up...