Wheel winches Homemade like the BUSH WINCH

Post by **bogged** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:40 pm

raptorthumper wrote:
bogged wrote: Wanna buy a good 4.5 auto??

Why?, Who?, How Much?. Or are you taking the piss in some way.?

fully rebuilt

puttin the manual back in.

Post by **raptorthumper** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:47 pm

Why Bruce.?

You have been the number one Auto lover on this forum.

You have turned back to the Dark side.

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Post by **raptorthumper** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:53 pm

Z()LTAN wrote:u must know then that if you want to use this winch, you need to have lockers aswell...

wont work otherwise...

Dont need lockers Just two wheel winches. Assuming open diffs - Using two, one on each side of vehicle. Whatever the tension on the rope is on one side, will equal the other side, if both wheels are slipping easily in mud.

Post by **bogged** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:35 pm

raptorthumper wrote:Why Bruce.?

You have been the number one Auto lover on this forum.

The Dark side has turned you.

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cant get tacho or cruise to work, and it shits me not having either.
If everything was working fine, I'd masturbate more, as its fuckin awesome offroad as it is right now... I just have little confidence in anything that was done to it by "team awesome"...

Post by **zagan** » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:09 pm

bogged wrote:good if you need to winch in a straight line, but what happens when you cant hook onto a tree infront of you?'

there was a thread on EO yrs back, the bloke from bush winch went and did a demo at a club, and it wasnt all rosey... infact, people were leaving apparently before he finished and he didnt sell any!

but if it makes ya happy

PS, I agree with grimbo on the ruts, some of the ones I've been stuck in, dynamite would struggle to break it up...

I went to the 2005 GC 4wd show, had a guy using one of these and he was showing off to the SES.

I was standing near the 4-5 SES guys watching, well laiughing about this guy.

They were basicly saying this has been done since the 60's-70's and they wouldn't ever use it as a viable winch not even if there was no other option as they thought it was too danguors.

These were the problems they seen with this type of winch.

The rope not holding and letting go right next to the 4wd.
Letting go on a hill, etc.
The winch wheel breaking off or binding up the main wheel.
The rope binding up on the wnich wheel.
The rope going under another wheel.
The winch pulls on 1 wheel which pulls the 4wd off in a angle.
The rope rubbing against another wheel.
Plus more stuff

They didn't say this stuff to the guy though just walked away about 2/3rds of the way through.

Post by **raptorthumper** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:26 am

Bruce, that's no good.

Since i put the manual in mine the cruise doesn't work either. I think i can fix it though. To get the starter motor to crank, i had to put a jumper on two wires so the ECU thinks it's in neutral.

All i need to do is fit a switch, (bit of a pain though) so that i can select the jumper that makes the ECU think it's in Drive for cruise to work, and back to neutral so i can start it.

Post by **Guy** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:15 am

zagan wrote: The rope not holding and letting go right next to the 4wd.
Letting go on a hill, etc.
The winch wheel breaking off or binding up the main wheel.
The rope binding up on the wnich wheel.
The rope going under another wheel.
The winch pulls on 1 wheel which pulls the 4wd off in a angle.
The rope rubbing against another wheel.
Plus more stuff

I see this as a major flaw.
if you dont have your "winch minder" on the front (or back wheel if pulling in reverse) how are you going to make sure the rope feeds onto the drum properly ?
It is very reasonable to assume that catastrophic failure could ensue without warning.

Post by **raptorthumper** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:33 am

Not one comment on the ATV youtube video.

What about the guy lifting his quad in the air.

A bit risky i know.

Repeated link below.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=135zkGk2f ... re=related

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Post by **bogged** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:45 am

raptorthumper wrote:Bruce, that's no good.

Since i put the manual in mine the cruise doesn't work either. I think i can fix it though. To get the starter motor to crank, i had to put a jumper on two wires so the ECU thinks it's in neutral.

All i need to do is fit a switch, (bit of a pain though) so that i can select the jumper that makes the ECU think it's in Drive for cruise to work, and back to neutral so i can start it.

need a manual cruise control unit

Easier.

Post by **bogged** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 9:50 am

raptorthumper wrote:Not one comment on the ATV youtube video.

What about the guy lifting his quad in the air. A bit risky i know.

My issue seems to spool when going backwards, that you will end up with a mass bunch of rope on one side, which could be a bitch, specially if its a long winch (100ft or so)
If you could work out how to have a "guide" that spreads the rope across it may work... but again his winches are straight.... it seems easy to get tangled.
anyway try it, its been done and people buy those things... but they buy Hiclones too..

Post by **Stoive** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 6:33 pm

raptorthumper wrote:
Stoive wrote: how do you get around cross axleing with open centre diffs if you are only able to winch off one wheel?
The idea is to use two wheels in most cases.

If you are only lightly stuck. (not deep mud etc) and you have lockers you could fit to one wheel only, like the youtube video on ATV wheel winches.

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i didn't know "lightly stuck" and "lockers" went in the same sentence? haha

i like it mate, i think it is a pretty good idea, thinking about it now, you could possibly ride the brakes or hand brake to stop drive loss through an open centre much like people do on trails anyway.

the ATV video is pretty impressive, and demonstrates much better than the old guy stuck in a puddle video. the way thay are fixed to the wheel and retract is pretty sweet

i think the swivel pulley opposing the winching wheel is a must as well, works heaps better

Post by **mule75** » Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:03 pm

on an atv it seems to work well....... on a 2.5 ton+ 4x4, no thanks.

Post by **Ben** » Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:04 am

ATV maybe, but even then an electric winch wins hands down.

But on a 4x4? If you ask me it's the stupidest idea ever!

Post by **Jock** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 8:51 pm

Ben wrote:
But on a 4x4? If you ask me it's the stupidest idea ever!

thats bad karma, cause you know one day you will be stuck by yourself and you will be thinking should I get that 100meters of telstra rope out and wrap it around my wheels now......

Post by **Jock** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:06 pm

Ben wrote:ATV maybe, but even then an electric winch wins hands down.

But on a 4x4? If you ask me it's the stupidest idea ever!

also its not the stupidest idea ever

search on here you will find a hell of a lot more stupider ideas

Post by **bogged** » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:29 pm

Jock wrote:
Ben wrote:
But on a 4x4? If you ask me it's the stupidest idea ever!
thats bad karma, cause you know one day you will be stuck by yourself and you will be thinking should I get that 100meters of telstra rope out and wrap it around my wheels now......

or just roll out his winch cable

Post by **Shadow** » Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:02 am

Jock wrote:
Ben wrote:ATV maybe, but even then an electric winch wins hands down.

But on a 4x4? If you ask me it's the stupidest idea ever!
also its not the stupidest idea ever

search on here you will find a hell of a lot more stupider ideas

like pop riveting a winch fairlead on LOL

Post by **cpt-mud** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 4:00 pm

in theroy, the winch works really well, we have done a lot of testing on it, and have found a few problems with it.

not really suited to the bush, more for the tourer who dosnt want the weight of a winchbar/winch

not recomended to use on front wheels

would hate to fit it in a boghole

time consuming to fit

we found that it works best in 2 wheel drive, this helps to prevent the winch overspooling. It may not be for everyone, but it does work.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=JY4cKc4FKSM

Post by **ribbo13** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:46 am

Well I have also contemplated making one and seeing how it goes, but in saying that i wouldn't go anywhere with that as my only recovery equipment. It probably wouldn't be the best to use on muddy/rocky trails, but i don't think you could beat it out on sand dunes where you need to do long winches. An electric winch would overheat half way, and i couldn't be bothered using a hand winch. If i do make one, i will post pics and post a Video. I may even toy with the idea to get get airborne like the quad did on youtube.

Post by **oldmate** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:09 pm

looking at the website the price isn't that enticing either

"Kit prices range from $735 to $885 + GST"

that will get you a cheap electric winch.

there is an old us army recovery doco floating around the interweb showing two different ways of achieving this kind of winching. neither is applicable to most of todays 4wds though.

one is for dual wheeled trucks (ie 4 wheels on the rear axle or axles) and that is to wind the rope between the two wheels. cheap and effective.

The other mentions a hole or bracket of sorts in the end of the axle flange which you can place a bar through, then have the rope wind around that.

If you were setting up this kind of winch i'd say it might be easier to weld two brackets to the end of each axle flange, and just carry a bar and rope around. seems alot easier and quicker to setup.

edit found the doco

http://www.landroverbrotherhood.com/bes ... covery.pdf

it's an interesting and worthwile, in my opinion, read

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:19 pm

US Military Hummers used to have the lugs on the axle ends for wheel winching. These have been deleted now they run CTIS.

Steve.

Post by **cpt-mud** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:58 pm

Z()LTAN wrote:u must know then that if you want to use this winch, you need to have lockers aswell...

wont work otherwise...

why do you need lockers , if you look into the product properly, it is 1 rope that runs between both wheels, negates the need for a locker.

Post by **raptorthumper** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:06 pm

The wheel winches are finished. Here's the pics. I haven't tried them out yet though.

i am also nearly ready to install the Runva NHW10000 Hydraulic PTO winch. The thread on the PTO winch is over in Toyota Tech.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic160188.php

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Post by **cpt-mud** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:59 pm

[quote="oldmate"]looking at the website the price isn't that enticing either

"Kit prices range from $735 to $885 + GST"

that will get you a cheap electric winch.

But if you have to add on the price of a winch Bar to that price, it gets very expensive.

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