Group Buy on Nissan Patrol ZD30 engines

Post by **SHIFTY** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 9:47 am

We are a metro Melbourne Nissan Dealer. I have been bartering with Nissan Motor Co on a group deal of Nissan Patrol ZD30 engines for the outers forum given there reputation for snapping the tops off pistons. I need x10 sales to make this deal happen. The RRP on these units is $9929.00 the price we can do on these is $6798.00 inc GST. I know this is a high dollar item and a relative small market but if you need one of these engines this is the cheapest you will find for a new unit. These are the long motors that Nissan supply to supersede the old problem units. This price is under what dealers pay for them so please dont go and hassel your local dealer as they will not get close to that price and as I have said I need x10 to make it happen. We can deliver to any Melbourne metro area free as we are in Melbourne, however I can freight across Australia but at this price I would have to charge freight so PM me your post code and I will organize a quote. If you have any questions please PM me. Regards Trev

Tue Mar 10, 2009 6:54 pm

nissan in brisbane has them @ $6500 each

Post by **chpd80** » Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:23 pm

Sounds a tad SHIFTY now hey,

Post by **SHIFTY** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 7:42 am

I think you find that $6500.00 is plus GST $7150.00 (which is a good deal) unless it it for a td42 which we do for $5700.00 inc gst. The price we have quoted i can assure you this is the cheapest you will find. Trev

Post by **1MadEngineer** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:03 am

10 ZD30's you say?
I hope ASIO isn't monitoring this thread, cus 10 handgrenades could be used for acts of terrorism

Post by **mikmav** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:55 am

While you're trying to do a good thing here. Buying an engine to leave in the garage just in case yours blows isn't exactly what most people would do. You're really after 10 people that have a dead engine right now. Which with ZD30's might be the case! but not too likely. Unless there are a few mechanics here who want to keep some cheapies in stock I think you'll have trouble getting 10 willing participants.

I'd probably suggest you mention this on patrol4x4.com, there'll be a lot more ZD30 owners there..

Post by **SHIFTY** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:19 pm

Thanks mikmav, I think you are correct that it is not the sort of thing to put on the self for a rainy day, I had planded to try the other forums but having been a member here for a few years I thought i would see what sort of response I received. If I end up with a few people that do want one not only from outers but from the other forums aswell i might just put them on the self myself and people can but them as they need them. Trev.

Post by **bogged** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:44 pm

exploroz seems to have more grenades than most.

Post by **SHIFTY** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 2:53 pm

Thanks Bogged, I will give them all a go and see what happens.

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:20 pm

SHIFTY wrote: These are the long motors that Nissan supply to supersede the old problem units.

When did they start fitting these non-handgrenade editions to the Patrols

Are they definately a fix to the problems of the early 3.0L TD

Post by **SHIFTY** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:03 am

Yes the new engines have a different ring and piston design. The date was a running change around the end of 01.

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:22 am

LuxyBoy wrote:When did they start fitting these non-handgrenade editions to the Patrols

2020 is when they fixed it.

theres still newer than 05 grenades going Woof...

Post by **SHIFTY** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:03 pm

The ring problem was modified back in 01 however bogged is correct they have alot more issues that just the ring design.

Post by **whitiepatrol4x4** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:02 pm

SHIFTY wrote:The ring problem was modified back in 01 however bogged is correct they have alot more issues that just the ring design.

The other main issue is that it is a fly by wire motor - ECU with lots of sensors telling the fuel pump and turbo what to do.

Electronics can fail on occasions however this can be mitigated simply by the installation of an Exhaust Temperature gauge and a Boost gauge.

With these on the truck, you will be able to monitor the ECU, the motor can now only fail due to a real mechanical problem (which are not that common) rather than an electronically induced problem such as a faulty Mass Air Flow sensor.

Cheers,
Whitie

Post by **-Nemesis-** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:52 pm

Where' Dave-STR now, claiming people are full of sh|t about the ZD30, a group buy heh....

Interesting how the td42 is cheaper, yet didn't those trolls sell for considerably more?

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:16 am

some poor prick on patrol forum his grenade just went off again...

but .... they fixed the problem in the 3035 yr model didnt they?

Post by **whitiepatrol4x4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:09 pm

bogged wrote:some poor prick on patrol forum his grenade just went off again...

but .... they fixed the problem in the 3035 yr model didnt they?

Yes, it was 100.000ks between the blow ups but I would bet that this one was caused by the ECU and that he was not advised to install an EGT gauge after Nissan replaced his first motor under warrantee.

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:14 pm

whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:Yes, it was 100.000ks between the blow ups.

yep, so if you intend to keep the car for 500,000klms people, put ya name down for 5 engines

Post by **whitiepatrol4x4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:20 pm

bogged wrote:
whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:Yes, it was 100.000ks between the blow ups.
yep, so if you intend to keep the car for 500,000klms people, put ya name down for 5 engines

I heard that they are cheaper by the dozen and are real easy to replace - just like your fuel filter.

Think about it, no need to service it, just let it pop and then you are onto the next one

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:06 pm

whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:Think about it, no need to service it, just let it pop and then you are onto the next one

your right...

Post by **whitiepatrol4x4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:22 pm

bogged wrote:yep, so if you intend to keep the car for 500,000klms people, put ya name down for 5 engines

I guess the other option would be just to install an EGT gauge...

Not as much fun as swappin the motor but it should get you to the 500,000klms mark

Post by HL » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:23 pm

Whitie,
What makes you think the fuel filter is easy to replace????????

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:33 pm

whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:
bogged wrote:yep, so if you intend to keep the car for 500,000klms people, put ya name down for 5 engines
I guess the other option would be just to install an EGT gauge...

Not as much fun as swappin the motor but it should get you to the 500,000klms mark

Post by **whitiepatrol4x4** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:05 pm

bogged wrote:

Totally agree, if you do not have an EGT gauge - all new fly by wire diesels should come with one.

HL, the fuel filter IS easy to replace, especially if you have a lift pump installed

Post by **GQ4.2** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:20 pm

why fuck around buying another zd30 if the original one blows up, just go out and wack a V8 into it

Post by **Nissan on Patrol** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:56 am

I'm a very strong possible as it's looking like mine has just gone "bang."

How many takers do you have?

Regards,
Scott.

Post by **Yom** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 9:33 am

bogged wrote:
whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:Think about it, no need to service it, just let it pop and then you are onto the next one
your right...

haha...how much is servicing these days?

$350 for a minor at nissan and $850 for a major?

Lets see in 100,000km you will have 2 majors, 40,000km and 80,000km. That's $1700 there.

That leaves us with 8 other services worth $350 each. Thats $2800 worth.

$4500 in servicing over 100,000km.

The figures aren't that unrealistic if you can change out engines yourself.

Post by **bogged** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:53 am

Yom wrote:
bogged wrote:
whitiepatrol4x4 wrote:Think about it, no need to service it, just let it pop and then you are onto the next one
your right...
haha...how much is servicing these days?

$350 for a minor at nissan and $850 for a major?

Lets see in 100,000km you will have 2 majors, 40,000km and 80,000km. That's $1700 there.

That leaves us with 8 other services worth $350 each. Thats $2800 worth.

$4500 in servicing over 100,000km.

The figures aren't that unrealistic if you can change out engines yourself.

That needs to fit in as a Sig

Post by **IN24BZ** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 8:52 pm

hmmm ZD30s are still throw away items , they changed the oil squirters revised the oil capacity etc , they still blow up , not as frequently mind you, if you can change an engine yourself a service isnt going to cost you anything bar parts , Genuine oils and filters rule over anything else , and dont you think that the 10,000 km service interval for a diesel is a bit far? a few good points reading over what i have read and being a nissan tech?

Post by **mkpatrol** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:54 am

I stick to the old service routine for all of my vehicles with a bit extra, every 5 thou, oil & filter (used to be just oil & oil & filter every 10 thou) & a major every 20 thou.

The VT at 200,000 & the GQ at 400,000 are still going strong & dont use any oil.

These longer service intervals are only a marketing ploy to make the vehicle look cheaper to service on paper over its life time.

I used to service a fleet of hire cars for a guy, he had 11 SB Barinas in his fleet, these came with a 15000km service interval after the first service at 1500. At 7500 he decided to check the oil & they all had used at least 2 litres, some of them three. 5 thou changes after that.

OK you might say that was severe service but one of them was his daily driver that never got hired out.

Sometimes spending a little more can save in the long run

I still wonder about the use & service history of these engines. Seems to be something that does not get mentioned after they blow up.

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