Winches - Cable vs Rope

Post by **wellsey** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:51 am

I did a seach and couldnt find anything on this, so please forgive me if this is an old topic.

What do you guys think? The vehicle in question is my 96 hardtop sierra and the winch is a 9500 pound ironman or warn.

I love the idea of the light weight and low stored energy properties of the rope, however I wonder at its abrasion resistance?

How does it go being used over rock ledges/steps, or thru mud/dirt? What sort of life could I expect to get out of it, considering its higher initial costs to buy?

What do you guys all think?

Cheers, Wellsey.

Post by **Tiny** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:52 pm

most ropes dont like the heat and are not much good in the elements for long times, they are the go for comps when they are going to break from use anyway its far lighter, way safer but much much more expensive.

Post by **MissDrew** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:40 pm

Rope doesn't like rocks much.
I don't like rope, but thats just me.

Post by **DaveS3** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:00 pm

Rope is fantastic.

Has jack all abrasive resistance, but if it is for a weekender if you are winching you have time to make sure it doesn;t unnecessarily touch the ground. Carry spare winch dampeners to place under it for when it is touching the ground, keep it clean and make sue you get a protective sheath.
Also make sure it doesn't knot - don't ask but I learnt the hard way.

When it is muddy, after the trip make sure you wash it and then dry it completely.
It only takes 5 minutes to remove the rope from the drum to clean it.

If you take care of the rope it will last.

Dave.

Post by **chunderlicious** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 9:12 pm

i like rope, i will not use cable as my old man is very experiences with wire and the result of it breaking (not injuring himself) i trust wire more but know that well maintained rope will hold more. aslong as rope is kept in good condition when not in use. then it is awsome, but still alot more expensive and higher maintenance.

but i like rope so.....

Post by **dank** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 10:41 pm

My rope came with a 5m sheath/rope protector....its nice and thick and should do the job...I'm thinking of getting some old fire hose, chopping it, sewing some velcro onto the chopped edges then I can place it on the rope anywhere I need it if there is more than one spot where it may rub....Just an idea. The rope for the zook is great. I took off my wire about 2 weeks ago and have really noticed the difference in the front end "heaviness"

Post by **wellsey** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 7:50 pm

I am an Arborist (tree surgeon), and in my work I use this stuff a fair bit. It is a hollow tube tape made from polyester or dyneema webbing, with a breaking strain of 4000 pounds. We use it to make slings for all sorts of applications.

I can see this stuff being threaded over the length of a winch rope to add strength and abrasion resistance.

Whatya reckon?

Post by **hammey** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:05 pm

wellsey wrote:I am an Arborist (tree surgeon), and in my work I use this stuff a fair bit. It is a hollow tube tape made from polyester or dyneema webbing, with a breaking strain of 4000 pounds. We use it to make slings for all sorts of applications.

I can see this stuff being threaded over the length of a winch rope to add strength and abrasion resistance.

Whatya reckon?

Top idea champ..... Being a climber i know how strong tube tape is...

will have to check if it will fit over 12mm though

cheers smitty

Post by **macca81** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:07 pm

i rekon thats the go hammey, i use that stuff over abseil rope when the top of the face is rubbing in rocks, its great stuff. take a fair effort to cut it with ya average pocket knife to!

Post by **wellsey** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:57 pm

Climber tree climber or climber rock climber?

The tube tape should fit over 12mm, I have it threaded over my flipline under the same prinicple, and the flipline is 11mm 24 braid.

The other question I forgot to ask is whats the winch line worth per metre?

Cheers all, Wellsey.

Post by **turps** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:35 pm

wellsey wrote:The other question I forgot to ask is whats the winch line worth per metre?

Cheers all, Wellsey.

Allow for atleast $13/m.
If you dont mind buying from overseas, try - www.rockstomper.com I havent brought from them but others have. Not sure where my rope will come to when I get to that stage.

Post by **hammey** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:23 pm

wellsey wrote:Climber tree climber or climber rock climber?

The tube tape should fit over 12mm, I have it threaded over my flipline under the same prinicple, and the flipline is 11mm 24 braid.

The other question I forgot to ask is whats the winch line worth per metre?

Cheers all, Wellsey.

Rock climber.... traditional... getting fatter and weaker by the day

Sorry mate, should of explained my self better.
whinch rope dosnt behave like climbing rope(dynamic or static) its more like ski rope for want of a better term.
12mm is just a measurement, it gets a lot fatter.
you'll see.....

cheers smitty

Post by **dank** » Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:57 pm

http://www.roadlessgear.com/page/RGL/PROD/R/GOROPE5-16

winch rope bloody cheap. US$1.50 a foot. Ask for long rope protector, stainless steel thimble eye.

I got 150 ft and it worked out to about AUS$300.00 with a pretty Machined Alloy Winchline.com Hawse Fairlead. It helped having Mud_Muncher over in the US to pick it up and bring it home for me but you could probably get all that shipped to AUS for around AUS$400.

Works out about 1/2 price of buying it here....

Post by **Wooders** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 1:08 am

hammey wrote: Rock climber.... traditional... getting fatter and weaker by the day

LOL that's me 2

Post by **ausyota** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:35 am

dank wrote:http://www.roadlessgear.com/page/RGL/PROD/R/GOROPE5-16

winch rope bloody cheap. US$1.50 a foot. Ask for long rope protector, stainless steel thimble eye.

I got 150 ft and it worked out to about AUS$300.00 with a pretty Machined Alloy Winchline.com Hawse Fairlead. It helped having Mud_Muncher over in the US to pick it up and bring it home for me but you could probably get all that shipped to AUS for around AUS$400.

Works out about 1/2 price of buying it here....

Ill second that. Figmo at Roadless gear is very good to deal with.

Post by **98lux** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 3:18 pm

Grave dig, Search works

So for a winch that may never get any use, would wire or rope be better?

Gonig by some there is more maintance in rope and for the extra weight savings would it be worth it.

we do mostly touring solo that is why the winch is needed.

Your thouhgts please.

Post by **bundyrulz** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:23 pm

G'day Wellsey,
please excuse me for jumping in on this post. I recently spent some months in the US. I bought some amsteel rope back for my winch. I just happened to bring a few extra back for friends. Not all took them up. I also have the alloy hawse. So if your interested PM me.

Bundyrulz

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:15 pm

What length spares do you have

What thickness are they

Post by **BUSTED100** » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:40 pm

LuxyBoy wrote:What length spares do you have
What thickness are they

x2

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Post by **benhl** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 9:12 am

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:20 am

He has

I have 5/16" x 100' blue synthetic amsteel rope. Has a gal eyelet. $350
Heavy duty Hawse Fairlead and mount bolts. $60

I have two ropes but only one Hawse.

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:20 am

anyone dealt with
http://www.ropewa.com.au/joomla/index.p ... etail&id=3

50m 12mm Dyneema Double Braid Winch Rope
This is a 50m long 12mm dyneema double braid rope, complete with a 150mm splice at each end for use on 4x4 recovery winches. This rope is ideal for use in Winch Challenge competitions due to its light weight and softness on the hands.

The rope comes with splices at both ends.

For shipping in Australia, please select the 4kg+ post box in the shipping section.

Price:- $$450 (AU)

Post by **andrewlux** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 12:43 pm

With the webbing the tube only comes in 1" tube and from memory will struggly for 12mm rope (depending if there is a case on the rope or not) , but you could always get a 2" webbing and sew it in half and will very easily alow for a 12mm rope.

If you get a webbing called spectra which is a lot more expensive but is even better than the polyester webbing, it does not get effected by heat of sun and better for abrasive surfaces as well.

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:13 pm

bogged wrote:anyone dealt with
http://www.ropewa.com.au/joomla/index.p ... etail&id=3

50m 12mm Dyneema Double Braid Winch Rope
This is a 50m long 12mm dyneema double braid rope, complete with a 150mm splice at each end for use on 4x4 recovery winches. This rope is ideal for use in Winch Challenge competitions due to its light weight and softness on the hands.

The rope comes with splices at both ends.

For shipping in Australia, please select the 4kg+ post box in the shipping section.

Price:- $$450 (AU)

Wonder why their 10mm is more expensive

Only difference I can see is it floats..........maybe useful for fishing whales with; just harpoon and winch in

Website · Post by **LuxyBoy** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:18 pm

andrewlux wrote:With the webbing the tube only comes in 1" tube and from memory will struggly for 12mm rope (depending if there is a case on the rope or not) , but you could always get a 2" webbing and sew it in half and will very easily alow for a 12mm rope.

If you get a webbing called spectra which is a lot more expensive but is even better than the polyester webbing, it does not get effected by heat of sun and better for abrasive surfaces as well.

Why not just buy the Dynex Cover version (comes with a cover)

http://hampidjan.is/media/pdf/06_Dynexy ... 00head.pdf

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:26 pm

LuxyBoy wrote:
andrewlux wrote:With the webbing the tube only comes in 1" tube and from memory will struggly for 12mm rope (depending if there is a case on the rope or not) , but you could always get a 2" webbing and sew it in half and will very easily alow for a 12mm rope.

If you get a webbing called spectra which is a lot more expensive but is even better than the polyester webbing, it does not get effected by heat of sun and better for abrasive surfaces as well.
Why not just buy the Dynex Cover version (comes with a cover)

http://hampidjan.is/media/pdf/06_Dynexy ... 00head.pdf

cause its in Iceland... LOL

Post by **GRPABT1** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:57 pm

If you were that worried about weight you shouldn't have put a 9500 pound whinch on the front of a sierra. Use cable for non competition duties IMO

Post by **turps** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:16 pm

GRPABT1 wrote:If you were that worried about weight you shouldn't have put a 9500 pound whinch on the front of a sierra. Use cable for non competition duties IMO

I have seen more than one HImount stall out on a sierra.

Bruce that price dosent seem to bad. Wanna go halfs in frieght.

Post by **bogged** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:26 pm

turps wrote:Bruce that price dosent seem to bad. Wanna go halfs in frieght.

wonderin on the quality.. wish I went with the USA $ at the time..
winchline, and someother joint still have cheap prices in USA, wondering if they are stil worth lookin at.. if not, yea 1/2s sounds ok.. wont be for a few weeks.. got tax bill this week. :( or I'd buy the stuff this bloke above is sellin

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