*********MK1 GTI G13B into Suzuki Sierra List**********

Post by **jonno_racing** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:24 am

check on redline gti mate

Post by **jimbo jones** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:33 am

CanberraMav wrote:Does anyone have a wiring diagram for the mk3?

There seems to be nothing online.

I need this 2 is the wirring the same for the mk2?

Post by **lexplay** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:04 pm

i can try e-mail the mk2-3 manual if you's pm me your e-mail.
its the original manual with full wirring diagrams. took me forever to find.
took my sierra out for laps on some limestone tracks today, got to love the 7500 gear changes and revyness its like driving a buggy. plus locker = fun.

Post by **jimbo jones** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:09 pm

lexplay wrote:i can try e-mail the mk2-3 manual if you's pm me your e-mail.
its the original manual with full wirring diagrams. took me forever to find.
took my sierra out for laps on some limestone tracks today, got to love the 7500 gear changes and revyness its like driving a buggy. plus locker = fun.

pm sent

Post by **lexplay** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:52 pm

i tried to e-mail the manual last night to a couple people but its too big to send.
i remember i found it on a forum, it was a guys signiture set up as a direct download.

Post by **nicbeer** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:30 pm

Jamie, u got it at home or work?

As i could grab it someday and then chuck it up to suuzukiinfo

Post by **lexplay** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:29 pm

at home but ill burn a copy now for you. then you can do as you please with it

Post by **CanberraMav** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:25 pm

will I be able to use the 323 GTX 1.6L Turbo Distributor Cap and rotor button on the mk2 dizzy instead? what md is needed for the rotor button?
will be stripping the motor this weekend for a full rebuild

Can anyone answer Jimbo's question?

Will the cap fit the Mk1/2? Thanks

Post by **CanberraMav** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:53 pm

Has anyone actually done a conversion using Mk2/3?

I just talked to someone from Suzisport and they said they dont use the Mk2/3 at all because you cant use the angle drive for one

Also he was wondering how i was going to trick the computer when it goes looking for a speed sensor?

Edited: Sorry i was asking 2/3 not Mk1/2

Post by **jonno_racing** » Tue May 05, 2009 12:59 pm

hey mate i have just put a mk1 in my sierra

if u want any help send me a pm and i will shoot you my number for a call..

also a mate has a mk2 in his... and it works

Post by **CanberraMav** » Tue May 05, 2009 7:55 pm

Thanks for the offer.

I meant to say has anyone done the Mk2/3 conversion without cutting the firewall?

Does the mazda cap work?

What are the options?

Cheers

Post by **lexplay** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:01 am

i did it using the angle drive and mk 2 dizzy. but involved a bit of machining. wouldnt recomend it unless you like a challenge.

Post by **jimbo jones** » Wed May 06, 2009 6:21 pm

yeah dose fit I found out with slight mod to the cap

Post by **CanberraMav** » Wed May 06, 2009 7:39 pm

So the mazda cap fits all GTI distributors then?

I thought that they were different?

How hard was it to get the rotor button to fit?

What did you have to do to the cap to get it to fit?

Cheers

Post by **jonno_racing** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:09 pm

nope... they DONT FIT MK1's but i have had this argument a few times...

Post by **jimbo jones** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:48 pm

jonno_racing wrote:nope... they DONT FIT MK1's but i have had this argument a few times...

what about the mk2/3? I was told they do fit them

Post by **6rxhx** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:13 pm

All you have to do for a mk2/3 is open up the base of the cap about 2mm with a dremel.

For the rotor you need the brass sleeve out of the gti rotor, which is a press fit into the existing hole in the mazda rotor, drill a hole in the pastic for the clamping screw and your done, install leads so firing order is correct.

Although ive just modded the mk2/3 gti distributor to fit in a sierra angle drive. You can use the angle drive adaptor from suzisport.

The gti distributor fits in the angle housing, one clamping bolt lines up. Then i cut the gti shaft where the pin that holds the drive plate thing. I also cut the sierra distributor shaft about half way.

After that i turned the sierra shaft down to 8.1mm, drilled the gti shaft out to 8mm pressed them together and put a roll pin through the shaft.

If you have access to a lathe its not that hard, just have to measure the sierra one, and make the hybrid one end up the same length.

Post by **6rxhx** » Wed May 06, 2009 10:15 pm

Actually i now have a brand new modded mazda cap and rotor that i dont need if someone wants to go that route. $70

Post by **jimbo jones** » Thu May 07, 2009 7:09 am

6rxhx wrote:Actually i now have a brand new modded mazda cap and rotor that i dont need if someone wants to go that route. $70

I can get it from repco $50 rotor button and cap

Post by **6rxhx** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:32 pm

Yea but if you dont know how to mod it, its not going to fit.

If you know how to mod it, buy one from repco

Post by **jimbo jones** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:18 pm

6rxhx wrote:Yea but if you dont know how to mod it, its not going to fit.

If you know how to mod it, buy one from repco

yeah I know how to mod it its not hard

Post by **6rxhx** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:29 pm

some people don't know to do it.

Post by **6rxhx** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:29 pm

Anyway, i was going to use the mazda cap, but i dont think there is enough room to take the cap off once the engine is in the car for maintenance etc.

I would hate to have to pull the engine out to change a cap and rotor. That is why i ended up making the angle drive.

Post by **CanberraMav** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:12 pm

Why does the Sierra flywheel need to be used? Isnt it the same flywheel as the Gti?

I dont have a Sierra flywheel to compare to but the Gti motor i just picked up had brand new flwheel and clutch/pressure plate.

I know the splines on the clutch are differeent but i want to use the Gti flywheel and pressure plate with a sierra clutch. Is it possible?

Cheers

Post by **6rxhx** » Wed May 13, 2009 6:39 pm

The sierra flywheel has a 2mm step machined into it where the clutch plate sits. The gti doesnt. Dont know if you can mix and match, you would have to try it to see if it fits and operates.

Have a look at the exedy website, there are some measurements on there.

Post by **UBZ** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:32 pm

I have both at home at them moment

GTi Flywheel is thinner and lighter than the G13a Flywheel.

Post by **11_evl** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:10 pm

UBZ wrote:I have both at home at them moment

GTi Flywheel is thinner and lighter than the G13a Flywheel.

correct. the sierra ones are thicker which help the motor chug along. where as the gti like to rev, no rotational help at lower revs

Post by **CanberraMav** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:24 pm

Im nearly finished with my GTI conversion and am unsure on where a few hoses go to..

What is the canister thing that this hose is running to? Do i need it?

Also where is the outlet from the engine that goes to the brake booster?

Thanks

Post by **6rxhx** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:38 pm

The canister thing is your IAC (idle air control) it controls the idle depending on accessory load. Yes you need it if you want the car to idle.

If you look at your pic, the red line you have drawn goes right through the brake booster outlet on the manifold. Its the barb with no hose on it.

Have you checked the crank timing gear keyway at the front of the motor. Apparently like 3 out of 5 chew the keyway and cause the valve timing to retard. Good to check before you put it in your zook.

Just finished one, pretty easy conversion.

Post by **6rxhx** » Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:51 pm

Sorry my mistake, that is not your IAC, i can see that in the pic.

It is the A/C SV valve, it ups the idle when you switch the aircon on.

If you dont have A/C you can remove it and plug the outlets on your manifold. Mine are plugged, i presume the donor i got my engine from had no A/C.

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