canary rwc issues

[waandy]

got done the other night for no flares (my own fault) but then when the donut munchin squeeler (no affence to the decent mr plods) has a go at my suspension, for being to bigger lift but cant tell me any regulations "its to big and it just looks to big to be roadworthy without an engineers certificate" i wasnt happy.
to find out if my lift is legal (4") i need to know the distance between the diff and bumpstop of a completely stock patrol. adr state that max you can lift a veichle is 30% bigger than that measurement. not that vic roads or the poolice man could tell me. had to dig it up myself.
oh and my garden edging front flares are to hard aparently and woul be unroadworthy coz if i hit someone might hurt em.
sorry for the bitchin. but if you could help us out with that measurement would be awesome
cheers guys keep your rubber hidden

[macneil]

got mine rwc with garden edging but i swapped to rubber as it looks better goto clarch rubber and get some cost me about 30 bux for 7m (so i have a roll left just incase)

thats like saying your front guard is too hard and if you hit someone they could hurt them selfs..

IF YOU GET HIT BY A 2T + CAR ITS GUNNA HURT!!!!!

im pretty sure from the bottom lip of you rim to the bottom of the guard is 780mm from standard

just put a set of stock tyres on it and fix anything else that needs it..

did he write 3 things down because other wise you dont need a rwc.. well in vic anyway

[NutterGQ]

what a funny bugger just read an older post where RN brought up the fact that rubber and bunnings garden edging included where not legal becuase their too soft lol

[NutterGQ]

oh yeah and approx 65mm between the bump stops and plates for standard

[waandy]

got mine rwc with garden edging but i swapped to rubber as it looks better goto clarch rubber and get some cost me about 30 bux for 7m (so i have a roll left just incase)

thats like saying your front guard is too hard and if you hit someone they could hurt them selfs..

IF YOU GET HIT BY A 2T + CAR ITS GUNNA HURT!!!!!

im pretty sure from the bottom lip of you rim to the bottom of the guard is 780mm from standard

just put a set of stock tyres on it and fix anything else that needs it..

did he write 3 things down because other wise you dont need a rwc.. well in vic anyway

yea got me 4 flares, which il admit to, mud flaps "id hate to be driving behind you on a rainy day" i got told, cop cars musnt have wipers or something. and the lift, thats the one that really got me angry.

yea took it to a bloke today with me 31s on and mud flaps and he seemed pretty happy with the way it looked. goes in on monday for a roady

[GU-ish]

in vic i thought 2 inch susp or body lift.. and 2 inch bigger on wheels.
didnt think u could go bigger than 2" lift weather it be body or susp

[waandy]

in vic i thought 2 inch susp or body lift.. and 2 inch bigger on wheels.
didnt think u could go bigger than 2" lift weather it be body or susp

adr requirements:

vehicle
The ground clearance of the fully laden vehicle must continue to comply
with the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) and the Transport Operations
(Road Use Management) Regulation 1995 at all times.
The following requirements must be meet:
· The ground clearance must not be less than 100 mm within 1 m of
an axle and the vehicle must clear a peak with a gradient of 1:15 on
each side;
· The suspension travel in the bump or rebound mode must not be
altered by more than one third of that specified by the original
vehicle manufacturer;
· The original manufacturer’s bump stops must not be altered;
· The fitting of drop spindles or similar devices to lower the ground
clearance of the vehicle on the axle assembly is not permitted.

[bogged]

yea got me 4 flares, which il admit to, mud flaps "id hate to be driving behind you on a rainy day" i got told, cop cars musnt have wipers or something. and the lift, thats the one that really got me angry.

Both my cars have wipers, and I hate driving behind some asshat who thinks he is too important to have mudflaps. Shit, mud, rocks, sticks, etc all get thrown into the windscreen.

[mikesmith]

yeh but bogged if i knew u were behind me i would take mine off!

[mkpatrol]

in vic i thought 2 inch susp or body lift.. and 2 inch bigger on wheels.
didnt think u could go bigger than 2" lift weather it be body or susp

adr requirements:

vehicle
The ground clearance of the fully laden vehicle must continue to comply
with the Australian Design Rules (ADRs) and the Transport Operations
(Road Use Management) Regulation 1995 at all times.
The following requirements must be meet:
· The ground clearance must not be less than 100 mm within 1 m of
an axle and the vehicle must clear a peak with a gradient of 1:15 on
each side;
· The suspension travel in the bump or rebound mode must not be
altered by more than one third of that specified by the original
vehicle manufacturer;
· The original manufacturer’s bump stops must not be altered;
· The fitting of drop spindles or similar devices to lower the ground
clearance of the vehicle on the axle assembly is not permitted.

These are not actually ADR requirements, they are state regulatory requirements enforced by VIC roads.

Some of the specifics are extracted from the relevent ADR such as the ground clearance & the gradient ratio.

[mkpatrol]

yea got me 4 flares, which il admit to, mud flaps "id hate to be driving behind you on a rainy day" i got told, cop cars musnt have wipers or something. and the lift, thats the one that really got me angry.

Both my cars have wipers, and I hate driving behind some asshat who thinks he is too important to have mudflaps. Shit, mud, rocks, sticks, etc all get thrown into the windscreen.

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[bogged]

yeh but bogged if i knew u were behind me i would take mine off!

I'd take photos, rego # and make ya life fun posting them to Vicroads

[T_Diesel]

What's the rule on mudflaps, are rear flaps the only requirement or is it all four?

[mkpatrol]

What's the rule on mudflaps, are rear flaps the only requirement or is it all four?

Technically there is no ADR requirement for mudflaps, there is a measurement of angles & widths that the wheel guard must meet to provide the required coverage of the wheel.

ADR42 then goes on to state the if mudflaps are used to privide this coverage then they must meet certain requirements.

All availiable for free here: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au

[grimbo]

always been curious as to why people think they can just chuck a big lift into their vehicle without any thoughts about whether it is perhaps legal or not. Also nothing more dangerous than driving behind someone without mudflaps and big chunky tyres, the amount of crap they throw up off the round is amazing.

Interesting about the garden edging being too hard. the whole point and on a legal note is that flares need to be structural and be able to deflect a pedestrian etc from falling onto the tyres.

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

[mkpatrol]

always been curious as to why people think they can just chuck a big lift into their vehicle without any thoughts about whether it is perhaps legal or not. Also nothing more dangerous than driving behind someone without mudflaps and big chunky tyres, the amount of crap they throw up off the round is amazing.

Interesting about the garden edging being too hard. the whole point and on a legal note is that flares need to be structural and be able to deflect a pedestrian etc from falling onto the tyres.

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

ADR 42 also has some specification for projections & sharp edges on vehicles, so if you put yout garden edging on & it has a sharp or un rounded edge then potentially it coulg cause harm/extra harm.

[T_Diesel]

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

That was my concern. Hyperthetically if you had a GQ patrol on 33s with a modest 2" lift there is every chance that the factory mud flaps would not meet ADR requirements anyway.

[mkpatrol]

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

That was my concern. Hyperthetically if you had a GQ patrol on 33s with a modest 2" lift there is every chance that the factory mud flaps would not meet ADR requirements anyway.

Thye have to cover the overall width of the tyre (including sidewall & lettering) and be within 300mm of the ground.

That may help you decide if your truck is still ok.

[chpd80]

Where abouts in gippsland did you get done??????
Why did he pull you over?????

I was at a random breath test the other day locally and as I was waiting
for the kind officer to read the machine I noticed another very interested officer in the rear vision mirror heading over looking at my mudflaps
(which are there but are way too small) and I mean small.
Anyway the cop breathalising me said no worries mate off ya go, I said cheers and took off.
Looked back and the approaching officer was talking to the breatho cop and pointing at me as I drove away. phew lucky this time I geuss.

Must put bigger mudflaps on.

[macey]

Was that breatho in sale. I went through there no probs. had 37s on and mud flaps thou. Go to bunnings and grab some 3mm rubber bits and bolt them on. Cheaper than a fine and RWC.

[chpd80]

Nah was between Traralgon and Tyers on a back road!!!

My Truck is Low, (2inch lift only) 33's, Quite, Intercooler is hard to see so they hopefully wont want to pop the bonnet, but I need to get some bigger mudflaps to avoid the whole rwc thing.

Traralgon seems to have a lot of really high rigs with big rubber so hopefully mine looks nice and legal in comparison.

[waandy]

Where abouts in gippsland did you get done??????
Why did he pull you over?????

I was at a random breath test the other day locally and as I was waiting
for the kind officer to read the machine I noticed another very interested officer in the rear vision mirror heading over looking at my mudflaps
(which are there but are way too small) and I mean small.
Anyway the cop breathalising me said no worries mate off ya go, I said cheers and took off.
Looked back and the approaching officer was talking to the breatho cop and pointing at me as I drove away. phew lucky this time I geuss.

Must put bigger mudflaps on.

got done on old melbourne road at the roundabout on alexanders road.
had every entrance blocked off. mate drove through behind me with smashed tail lights, none were working, no mud flaps 5 and a half inch lift with a butchered exhaust no worries, mine is a neat rig, doesnt look that high when the 35s fill the guards, just the cruiser offset 10" rims with the claws hangin out. oh well itl be back to the way it was (with a few minor mods) the day i get a roady

[T_Diesel]

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

That was my concern. Hyperthetically if you had a GQ patrol on 33s with a modest 2" lift there is every chance that the factory mud flaps would not meet ADR requirements anyway.

Thye have to cover the overall width of the tyre (including sidewall & lettering) and be within 300mm of the ground.

That may help you decide if your truck is still ok.

Mine aint ok. I lost one wheeling about 18 months ago and smashed a wheel arch flare at the same time. Rather than pay factory Nissan prices, I replaced all my flares to Bushranger flexy style, which meant I could no longer run the factory mud flaps. I have been meaning to fab up some flaps for some time now but have just been slack about it.

Having Bogged call me an asshat with circumcised flaps has really made me think I should make a trip to Clark Rubber on the weekend to do something about it.

[mkpatrol]

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

That was my concern. Hyperthetically if you had a GQ patrol on 33s with a modest 2" lift there is every chance that the factory mud flaps would not meet ADR requirements anyway.

Thye have to cover the overall width of the tyre (including sidewall & lettering) and be within 300mm of the ground.

That may help you decide if your truck is still ok.

Mine aint ok. I lost one wheeling about 18 months ago and smashed a wheel arch flare at the same time. Rather than pay factory Nissan prices, I replaced all my flares to Bushranger flexy style, which meant I could no longer run the factory mud flaps. I have been meaning to fab up some flaps for some time now but have just been slack about it.

Having Bogged call me an asshat with circumcised flaps has really made me think I should make a trip to Clark Rubber on the weekend to do something about it.

Cool, basically what I said is the simple version of the clauses in ADR42, if you do this the coppers should be happy.

at the asshat.

[macneil]

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

That was my concern. Hyperthetically if you had a GQ patrol on 33s with a modest 2" lift there is every chance that the factory mud flaps would not meet ADR requirements anyway.

Thye have to cover the overall width of the tyre (including sidewall & lettering) and be within 300mm of the ground.

That may help you decide if your truck is still ok.

my road worthy guy said aslong as the half way point on the diff was covered (with tread being covered) you did not need flaps but for a patrol they only need to hang down to the middle of the diff..

thank god for CAT flaps!

[mkpatrol]

From memory with mud flaps they need to be as per delivered on the new vehicle and must come down to the half way line on the tyres. so if the vehicle has been lifted or tyre size increased the mud flaps must be modified to keep this relationship in tact

That was my concern. Hyperthetically if you had a GQ patrol on 33s with a modest 2" lift there is every chance that the factory mud flaps would not meet ADR requirements anyway.

Thye have to cover the overall width of the tyre (including sidewall & lettering) and be within 300mm of the ground.

That may help you decide if your truck is still ok.

my road worthy guy said aslong as the half way point on the diff was covered (with tread being covered) you did not need flaps but for a patrol they only need to hang down to the middle of the diff..

thank god for CAT flaps!

He is wrong, have a look at ADR42/04 Cl14.


Edit: he is wrong for motor vehicles, what he described is OK for box trailers wich is covered in VSB1.

[cooki_monsta]

ive been done for having no flaps or flares, got two massive sheets of rubber which fixed that problem, how ever i am with smithy on the issue of 'if bogged is behind me i am removing them' sorry bogged but it seems like the only just thing to do