[QLD] Xtreme Production Winch - 28th - 30th August!

[Tailspin]

Where was all this talk before the event was cancelled for the year. There was no hint of anyone else building up cars for this event besides us, Fester and Piglet. Now it's cancelled there seems to be a new lot of interest and talk, ashame it's a little late, we could of been winching next weekend

[XTREME MMM]

And to clarify your rules on extreme Production.. I have a v8 patrol,5inch lift 33'' maixxis and 8000pound winch and aftermarket front arms. My truck does not comply because its not the original engine but it is all approved and I aftermarket front arm because we all know how awesome the standard one are. (just like what Ive seen race over the past years) is that correct Dave

That is correct your vehicle (worse luck) does not comply with production Class rules.

But why not put on a set of 35" and come and play at XWC?

The reason that Lynda cannot compete in Production is due to the vehicle buildup. I was also trying to get a ladies event going with the Production vehicles to make numbers to run an event.

You could always get your partner to drive & you codrive in the ladies section. The ladies event is per XWC Rules & Guidelines but must run 33" wheels. Any ladies that have driven in a XWC must have a lady as a codriver.

Thanks for comments.

Cheers
David

[biggsy]

And to clarify your rules on extreme Production.. I have a v8 patrol,5inch lift 33'' maixxis and 8000pound winch and aftermarket front arms. My truck does not comply because its not the original engine but it is all approved and I aftermarket front arm because we all know how awesome the standard one are. (just like what Ive seen race over the past years) is that correct Dave

That is correct your vehicle (worse luck) does not comply with production Class rules.

But why not put on a set of 35" and come and play at XWC?

The reason that Lynda cannot compete in Production is due to the vehicle buildup. I was also trying to get a ladies event going with the Production vehicles to make numbers to run an event.

You could always get your partner to drive & you codrive in the ladies section. The ladies event is per XWC Rules & Guidelines but must run 33" wheels. Any ladies that have driven in a XWC must have a lady as a codriver.

Thanks for comments.

Cheers
David

Even with the very little work I have done on the car I can only race in Open class.. I just saw this as a good starter THE END

[frp88]

well a little disapointed cos the so far the price for a 6 point cage that is approved is $1800 to $3000 4 diffrent shops. One cage was powercoated and the other was car interior had to be stripped and just painted so big range to choose from. This more to the 3 guys piglet, fester and tailspin how much has this cost you by starting from scach this will give me the best idea.

[pigletracing]

What's extreme production. Is this just another extreme winch challenge. With likes of piglet racing thats not production to me. Not having a go at him he is a top driver and truck is awesome,but the truck is not off the production line. (Or unless there in another truck)
Im thinking of the lines of qg's,gu's.80's ect utes and wagons with 33's -35's lockers,winch.
Not full blown comp trucks

HI ALL piglet here. just to clear things up, we have put together a 1989 GQ turbo diesel utethat the donk is factory with over 500,000 klms on it.
Im NOT driving,(unless wally cant make it) I will be the FAT NAVI, in an airconditioned ute.... do you think I really want to get out & run up hills.

[frp88]

What's extreme production. Is this just another extreme winch challenge. With likes of piglet racing thats not production to me. Not having a go at him he is a top driver and truck is awesome,but the truck is not off the production line. (Or unless there in another truck)
Im thinking of the lines of qg's,gu's.80's ect utes and wagons with 33's -35's lockers,winch.
Not full blown comp trucks

HI ALL piglet here. just to clear things up, we have put together a 1989 GQ turbo diesel utethat the donk is factory with over 500,000 klms on it.
Im NOT driving,(unless wally cant make it) I will be the FAT NAVI, in an airconditioned ute.... do you think I really want to get out & run up hills.

so how much for the whole lot so far?

[pigletracing]

its wallys old wagon that he has had virtually from new, its now cut down into an extra cab, & has been DE-MODDED from nissan club/ touring car to suit production class.
as far as $$$ value goes its hard to say, as lockers ,winch, bar work ect
have all been added slowley as a club car over the last 15years, I know the winch was baught for $500 some time back, & the 2nd hand 6.5 hp motor was $175, the cage we do ourselves, just as we have in all our pigs.
I have herd of many that do them for around $1500

But seriously this rig is nothing special...
Its cheap (because we have had it for so long) & nissans arnt worth much now.

I just baught a GQ sorta wagon for around $5k, but its highly modded, not what you need for production class, Id have to lower it down, get rid of the drop arms, 35s bla bla bla..

I could have baught a factory 1 for $3k & then spend $4k kitting it out & then you have a comp rig that you can tour in for under $10k.....
Just rember we all had to start someware aswell. & yes we have a lot of bolt on stuf from our old cars. BUT I have only ever baught 2nd hand with the majority of my bits & peices.. thats how I keep the $$$ down.

PIGLET

[frp88]

its wallys old wagon that he has had virtually from new, its now cut down into an extra cab, & has been DE-MODDED from nissan club/ touring car to suit production class.
as far as $$$ value goes its hard to say, as lockers ,winch, bar work ect
have all been added slowley as a club car over the last 15years, I know the winch was baught for $500 some time back, & the 2nd hand 6.5 hp motor was $175, the cage we do ourselves, just as we have in all our pigs.
I have herd of many that do them for around $1500

But seriously this rig is nothing special...
Its cheap (because we have had it for so long) & nissans arnt worth much now.

I just baught a GQ sorta wagon for around $5k, but its highly modded, not what you need for production class, Id have to lower it down, get rid of the drop arms, 35s bla bla bla..

I could have baught a factory 1 for $3k & then spend $4k kitting it out & then you have a comp rig that you can tour in for under $10k.....
Just rember we all had to start someware aswell. & yes we have a lot of bolt on stuf from our old cars. BUT I have only ever baught 2nd hand with the majority of my bits & peices.. thats how I keep the $$$ down.

PIGLET

now I am not a 1st class welder so making my own cage isn't going to save me money . Now the rest I am hoping to pick up second hand I think for $1000 should be enough window nets recovery gear helmet harness cb ah yes ground anchor.

[Modified Toy]

well a little disapointed cos the so far the price for a 6 point cage that is approved is $1800 to $3000 4 diffrent shops. One cage was powercoated and the other was car interior had to be stripped and just painted so big range to choose from. This more to the 3 guys piglet, fester and tailspin how much has this cost you by starting from scach this will give me the best idea.

Trust me the cage may cost some but this is one area that you do not what to skimp on.... you only get one chance with this in an accident do a good job here and try and save money some where else.

[XTREME MMM]

Trust me the cage may cost some but this is one area that you do not what to skimp on.... you only get one chance with this in an accident do a good job here and try and save money some where else.

VERY TRUE

But it all depends on what value you put on yourself & codriver.

Myself, the stronger the better.

Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

hay dave, just when you thaught it was dead, all these other chaps come out of the woodwork...


# Production class isnt meant to be expen$ive, it can be done cheaply.

# we can help you get there with all the advice you need.

# we have done it before & have made the expensive mistakes already..

# you guys can take advantage of what we have learnt to make it easier & cheaper to get you started.

# so PM me & Ill give you my ph no, we can discuss what you are looking at & the best way & most affordable way to you get there.

# because without you guys there will be no production class.

cheers piglet

[purplebus]

well done piglet.
i have been watching this since day one and reckon it is a great idea. it can easily be done on a budget and to a daily driver. we have raced our gqwagon(mods where cage, lockers,fire ext,first aid kit) in the allterrain for a few years and would have loved to have done this but we put gu diffs ,a frame rear etc in it before this was spoken about.met the greatest bunch of people along the way.

people need to realise this isnt an event for million dollar trucks, it is to enjoy the sport and meet other competitor etc. this is how it used to be. daily drivers racing. love how the sport has progressed and feel sorry for MMM as he seems to get constantly attacked for whatever he does.
I cant wait to see festa's rough nut in a truk again. he will entertain the crowds in no matter what he is driving.

me, dad and the kids will be there yelling from the other side of the bunting.
well done on passing your experiences and tips along. that is what it is about.

[google]

roll cages are some thing you need to spend money on i made mine at home for 900 dollars and well im have pictures to prove that if I did not have it in my navi ant my self would be both dead and give mmm a brake his comp his rules

[pigletracing]

DAVE WHAT IS HAPPENING????

THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING ABOUT PRODUCTION CLASS FOR MONTHS.
NO ADVERTISING.
NO POSTS.
NO UPDATES.
IF YOU WANT THIS EVENT TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR,YOU SHOULD BE PROMOTING IT NOW,TO GIVE OTHERS TIME TO BUILD.

NOT JUST BEFORE THE EVENT THEN CANCELLING OUT AGAIN.

US & OTHERS HAVE BUILT TRUCKS TO YOUR SPECS. FOR YOUR EVENT.

PIGLET.

[XTREME MMM]

DAVE WHAT IS HAPPENING????

THERE HAS BEEN NOTHING ABOUT PRODUCTION CLASS FOR MONTHS.
NO ADVERTISING.
NO POSTS.
NO UPDATES.
IF YOU WANT THIS EVENT TO HAPPEN NEXT YEAR,YOU SHOULD BE PROMOTING IT NOW,TO GIVE OTHERS TIME TO BUILD.

NOT JUST BEFORE THE EVENT THEN CANCELLING OUT AGAIN.

US & OTHERS HAVE BUILT TRUCKS TO YOUR SPECS. FOR YOUR EVENT.

PIGLET.

Hi Piglet very true.

But the ball is in the competitors court.

How much time do they need.

After all I have only been pushing it for nearly 2 years now!!!!

Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

everyone thinks its never going to happen because you have droped the ball.
IF YOU want it to happen pick the ball back up & run with it..
IT WILL NEVER WORK IF NO ONE KNOWS THAT IT's GOING TO HAPPEN OR WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN, JUST GIVE PEOPLE A DATE TO WORK TOWARDS.
MAYBE RELAX THE 33"TYRE RULE & TAKE THE SIZE UPTO 35" as buying a complete 2nd set of tyres to use on one event may be all that is stoping some from entering.
HAVE YOU EVER THAUGHT OF PUTING UP A "POLL" TO ASK WHAT COMPETITORS WANT FOR PRODUCTION CLASS.??? YOU MAY GET SOME IDEAS ON WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO START IT OFF..

# PROMOTE IT.

# BOOK IN A DATE & LOCATION !!

# STICK TO IT.

& AS YOU SAID "the ball is in the competitors court" BUT AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW IT IS STILL HAPPENING....ITS BEEN OVER 2 MONTHS SINCE YOU CANCELLED IT. with no info.

[XTREME MMM]

everyone thinks its never going to happen because you have droped the ball.
IF YOU want it to happen pick the ball back up & run with it..
IT WILL NEVER WORK IF NO ONE KNOWS THAT IT's GOING TO HAPPEN OR WHEN IT WILL HAPPEN, JUST GIVE PEOPLE A DATE TO WORK TOWARDS.
MAYBE RELAX THE 33"TYRE RULE & TAKE THE SIZE UPTO 35" as buying a complete 2nd set of tyres to use on one event may be all that is stoping some from entering.
HAVE YOU EVER THAUGHT OF PUTING UP A "POLL" TO ASK WHAT COMPETITORS WANT FOR PRODUCTION CLASS.??? YOU MAY GET SOME IDEAS ON WHAT PEOPLE NEED TO BE ABLE TO START IT OFF..

# PROMOTE IT.

# BOOK IN A DATE & LOCATION !!

# STICK TO IT.

& AS YOU SAID "the ball is in the competitors court" BUT AT LEAST LET THEM KNOW IT IS STILL HAPPENING....ITS BEEN OVER 2 MONTHS SINCE YOU CANCELLED IT. with no info.

Here Piglet:-

Date:- March 2010

Venue:- TBA

It will only be run with 10 paid entries.

Put cheques in mail & lets play.

Another thing Ian, all you need for Production is a production vehicle, how simple is that. If it came with it you can use it.

This class was designed for the "road legal" vehicles, and 35" tyres are not road legal and it also depends what brand of 33" tyre you use also.

In Queensland you can only legally use a 32" on 99.75% of common style 4wds.

There is always a class for a vehicle in an Xtreme 4x4 Event, so a poll is not necessary to conduct, and another reason for this comment, it is my event afterall.

So if your vehicle does not comply with "Production" it will comply in the XWC.


Cheers
David

[pigletracing]

DAVE IM NOT TRYING TO PISS YOU OFF..

WE HAVE SPENT THOUSANDS STICKING TO YOUR RULES...

AS IT HASNT HAPPENED... NOW OUR SPONCERS ARE VERY DISAPOINTED...

IM TRYING TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO TRY & HELP IT HAPPEN.......

& YES... 35" tyres arnt legal, BUT NEITHER ARE CAGES......

& YES... it is your game, but if you want it to happen maybe you need to bend your rules a little, by allowing 35" tyres but giving them a point penality for using them(just for example) we did a logan night run the other night, & 90% of the GQ wagons out there had 35" TYRES as their daily drivers.

Im just saying that the extra $1500 they might need to spend on tyres could be spent on a cage,, so they can compete.

[biggsy]

Im with Piglet, most blokes and women out there are running 4- 6inch lifts, 35inch tyres. I much send a 1000 buck on winch rope instead of buying another set of smaller tyres. And I cant see a production car getting through a winch challenge on 32inch all terrains and 2'' lift... Thats what mods are for,improving a production cars ability.
These are daily drivers and I don't think people want to go out and brake there truck,they just want to compete in a winch challenge and maybe learn a few things on the way. With the Like of Fester ,piglet and lynda in there production truck im sure the beginners would learn plenty from them.
Bend the rule a bit and you might get more people wanting to come out for a fun day off winching.

[XTREME MMM]

Hi Piglet,

Just to clear up a few things.

The idea with the Production Class is what it says.

The idea with tyre size is so it is legal to drive on the road to the event and back home again.

ROLL CAGES are legal in Queensland by their current rules.

I do not think that 35" tyres are holding it back. If it is, I will gladly accept 35" wheels.

And if that were also the case I would be knocking back entries for XWC for the Xtreme Class which has a tyre limit of 35".

Problem solved, I should now see 20 entries in the mail on my arrival home in a weeks time.

If this does not happen, we will go back to "Road Legal" tyres and go by the rules as written.

This was an idea to make it a bit cheaper to get into the sport & race against the same quality of vehicles in their own event.

As I have said there is always an event for those that are running 6" lift, 35" tyres, and the list goes on:- XWC Winch Challenge.

So Piglet, if you want to keep sponsors happy you should enter other events to get their name out there. After all Round 3 is coming up this weekend, cannot see your name on list!

No you are not pissing me off, that happened years ago.hehehehe

Cheers
David

[Troll00]

Production and road legal should say it all!!!! 4" and 35's are not road legal when will people get it

[SMOKY1]

but we are seeing what the penilty is ,for letting some young fit,1/2 mountain goat sorta fella ,run all our winch stuff up the hills.while we sit in the car with the air-con going.YOU KNOW!!!!!!!! you dont want to open up the door, it might let all the cold air out




piggy if you think iam going to do the running why youe and wally seat in the air con you got another thing coming,i will be havin a nice cold beer watching your jelly belly run up and down lol.pete

[purplebus]

been watching and watching.
To start with i will not be racing this event so am totally sitting on the fence.
But my thought are

We know rules are rules, road legal etc. But it is not happening yet.
I feel sorry for the guys that have built their cars to dave's specs for no reason yet and its no fault of Dave's.
I understand its not Dave's fault that others who said they would race havent built their cars. Not worth running his event with 3 cars.
What if you bent the rules a fraction to let these and other guys have a drive? Except the cage rule..!!!!
Maybe let slightly bigger tyres and lift trucks compete with a penalty? If enough not only say they will race, but actually pay before hand as well.

In these economic times not everyone has plenty to throw at their trucks.
Maybe a few guys would be keen if they didnt have to buy a few more bits straight up, but got to play a bit, loved it decided to invest in the parts to meet the specs in the future.

We would have loved to do this event but after the demise off any standard diesel class at the park we modified ours. not enough to race with the big boys but too far beyond this class which I would of loved to of had a go in.
Dont loose hope Dave and Piglet, between you guys I rekon you could gather a few competitors for a weekend test/fun event anyway.

[gut42]

Why does it have to be PRODUCTION CLASS???

My truck is a weekend/club car with a cage but the only thing stopping me for this class now is that we are fitting an early commodore standard efi V8 motor which is the same age as the car and will be approved by Qld transport, therefore legal on the road but still not eligible to compete with these guys.

Maybe have Production event with stanard class and modified class that still meet transport regs???

[biggsy]

Why does it have to be PRODUCTION CLASS???

My truck is a weekend/club car with a cage but the only thing stopping me for this class now is that we are fitting an early commodore standard efi V8 motor which is the same age as the car and will be approved by Qld transport, therefore legal on the road but still not eligible to compete with these guys.

Maybe have Production event with stanard class and modified class that still meet transport regs???

Well said.

[XTREME MMM]

Why does it have to be PRODUCTION CLASS???

My truck is a weekend/club car with a cage but the only thing stopping me for this class now is that we are fitting an early commodore standard efi V8 motor which is the same age as the car and will be approved by Qld transport, therefore legal on the road but still not eligible to compete with these guys.

Maybe have Production event with stanard class and modified class that still meet transport regs???

HOW MANY CLASSES DO YOU WANT!!!!!

What part of Production do you not understand!

Production Event is for production vehicles, not one's with 35"tyres, V8/V6 replacement motors, 6"lift, twin motor winches or what ever.

There is no point trying to build another class/event to suit everyone's truck that is modified when there is already one there that will cater for these vehicles namely XWC!!


Cheers
David

[XTREME MMM]

Sorry double post

[gut42]

Sorry for making susgestions to help get numbers to your event.

[RV80]

Not everyone wants to go to Townsville and Tamworth, so why build a car for one round?

[biggsy]

Why does it have to be PRODUCTION CLASS???

My truck is a weekend/club car with a cage but the only thing stopping me for this class now is that we are fitting an early commodore standard efi V8 motor which is the same age as the car and will be approved by Qld transport, therefore legal on the road but still not eligible to compete with these guys.

Maybe have Production event with stanard class and modified class that still meet transport regs???

HOW MANY CLASSES DO YOU WANT!!!!!

What part of Production do you not understand!

Production Event is for production vehicles, not one's with 35"tyres, V8/V6 replacement motors, 6"lift, twin motor winches or what ever.

There is no point trying to build another class/event to suit everyone's truck that is modified when there is already one there that will cater for these vehicles namely XWC!!


Cheers
David

You keep going back to XWC. Where not intersted in the pro challege.. Are you even listening to the post... A few rule changes and this race could have been run and won.. But it your race.. It has given a few Ideas though on future comps