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Post by bigsteve »

stumped wrote:what kinda offset are you running on ur rims steve?
They are 15X7's that had 3.5 inch back spacing, I have had them frlipped and popped out to 2.5 inches back spacing.


grimbo wrote:Steve why didn't you trim your guards back before painting? Seems to be a "little " bit of tyre contact which will play havic with the flares and the tyres


I had planned to paint after the rims were done so that I could see what had to be done to clear the tyres, the rims were suposed to take a week which turned into 3 so with Adventure Tour so close I painted when I had the chance. Besides, its much more fun cutting into pristine panels.

After a bit of a brain storm with SteveG tonight I'm gunna be cutting them (this weekend) and running no inner front guards, the rears are about 6mm off the bump stop when the tyre hits the guard so I am just going to let them "Make their own clearance"
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bigsteve wrote:
stumped wrote:what kinda offset are you running on ur rims steve?
They are 15X7's that had 3.5 inch back spacing, I have had them frlipped and popped out to 2.5 inches back spacing.


grimbo wrote:Steve why didn't you trim your guards back before painting? Seems to be a "little " bit of tyre contact which will play havic with the flares and the tyres


I had planned to paint after the rims were done so that I could see what had to be done to clear the tyres, the rims were suposed to take a week which turned into 3 so with Adventure Tour so close I painted when I had the chance. Besides, its much more fun cutting into pristine panels.

After a bit of a brain storm with SteveG tonight I'm gunna be cutting them (this weekend) and running no inner front guards, the rears are about 6mm off the bump stop when the tyre hits the guard so I am just going to let them "Make their own clearance"


Got a pic of where it hits\touches at the rear ??
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bigsteve wrote:After a bit of a brain storm with SteveG tonight I'm gunna be cutting them (this weekend) and running no inner front guards


Hmmm - what a strange and novel idea :D

Sounds good mate - also sounds like another car will be driving around with a very flexable front clip :cool:
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bigsteve wrote:After a bit of a brain storm with SteveG tonight I'm gunna be cutting them (this weekend) and running no inner front guards


Hmmm - what a strange and novel idea :D

Sounds good mate - also sounds like another car will be driving around with a very flexable front clip :cool:



Nah .. it wont be moving anywhere .. not with those HUGE tyres and them lil Zuki diffs he will break before he has left the driveway :shock: ..... according to some .. :D
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love_mud wrote:Nah .. it wont be moving anywhere .. not with those HUGE tyres and them lil Zuki diffs he will break before he has left the driveway :shock: ..... according to some .. :D


No we fixed that problem on Big Steve's car - we removed the front and rear driveshafts :D Now he can rev all he wants and not break any axels :)
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greg wrote:
love_mud wrote:Nah .. it wont be moving anywhere .. not with those HUGE tyres and them lil Zuki diffs he will break before he has left the driveway :shock: ..... according to some .. :D


No we fixed that problem on Big Steve's car - we removed the front and rear driveshafts :D Now he can rev all he wants and not break any axels :)



Good thinking gerg I knew you and Big stsve would come up with a novel solution .. I have taken the approach if .. if i dont fix the broken stuff (bearings etc) and the Zuk just sits out in the street .. it will never break again ... :D
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If i'm not mistaken - there is supposed to be some more painting going on at Big Steve's place tonight - comon mate - put up those shiny prurty pics of the very very (orange) red car :)
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stumped wrote:what kinda offset are you running on ur rims steve?
They are 15X7's that had 3.5 inch back spacing, I have had them frlipped and popped out to 2.5 inches back spacing.


grimbo wrote:Steve why didn't you trim your guards back before painting? Seems to be a "little " bit of tyre contact which will play havic with the flares and the tyres


I had planned to paint after the rims were done so that I could see what had to be done to clear the tyres, the rims were suposed to take a week which turned into 3 so with Adventure Tour so close I painted when I had the chance. Besides, its much more fun cutting into pristine panels.

After a bit of a brain storm with SteveG tonight I'm gunna be cutting them (this weekend) and running no inner front guards, the rears are about 6mm off the bump stop when the tyre hits the guard so I am just going to let them "Make their own clearance"


Got a pic of where it hits\touches at the rear ??


It hits on the top of the guard.
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greg wrote:If i'm not mistaken - there is supposed to be some more painting going on at Big Steve's place tonight - comon mate - put up those shiny prurty pics of the very very (orange) red car :)


This was the plan however I have been off work (Yesterday, today and probably tomorrow) sick, I've re-scheduled with Truch for Thursday.

FYI I can drive the car on road now but have to cut the front guards and relocate the top rear shock mounts before I can take it offroad. Hopefully that will be Sunday so I have a week of testing before Adventure Tour
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bigsteve wrote:This was the plan however I have been off work (Yesterday, today and probably tomorrow) sick, I've re-scheduled with Truch for Thursday.

FYI I can drive the car on road now but have to cut the front guards and relocate the top rear shock mounts before I can take it offroad. Hopefully that will be Sunday so I have a week of testing before Adventure Tour


Sounds like ample testing time mate... that'll be more than half the people on the trip :D

Perhaps you should just put some blocks under the front bump stops to make sure you don't rub the tyre on the guard too hard when driving into driveways or over flower beds and other stuff like that which happens in everyday style driving.

How does it go with no steering stablizer?
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bigsteve wrote:This was the plan however I have been off work (Yesterday, today and probably tomorrow) sick, I've re-scheduled with Truch for Thursday.

FYI I can drive the car on road now but have to cut the front guards and relocate the top rear shock mounts before I can take it offroad. Hopefully that will be Sunday so I have a week of testing before Adventure Tour


Sounds like ample testing time mate... that'll be more than half the people on the trip :D

Perhaps you should just put some blocks under the front bump stops to make sure you don't rub the tyre on the guard too hard when driving into driveways or over flower beds and other stuff like that which happens in everyday style driving.

How does it go with no steering stablizer?


I'd say it drives a lot better than yours as there is no wobble, its OK, I dont think I'll worry to much about fitting it.

The first thing I noticed when I drove it with no doors or targa bar man the tyres are quiet, that could be coz they had 35psi in em but they were very quiet.
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bigsteve wrote:The first thing I noticed when I drove it with no doors or targa bar man the tyres are quiet, that could be coz they had 35psi in em but they were very quiet.


How fast were you going? It may also be due to the wind blowing past your ears since you had no doors on?

If it's too quiet for you mate - just get a bigger exhaust going :D
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bigsteve wrote:The first thing I noticed when I drove it with no doors or targa bar man the tyres are quiet, that could be coz they had 35psi in em but they were very quiet.


How fast were you going? It may also be due to the wind blowing past your ears since you had no doors on?

If it's too quiet for you mate - just get a bigger exhaust going :D


Heheh Thanks

On a little side note - I finally checked the gearbox oil ;)
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Q: What spings did you use, I was looking in the OME cataloge and noticed two different spring rates one medium and the other was different but from what I was told they were heavier and thats what they recomended.

The medium rate was cheaper and I guess are softer
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DeWsE wrote:Q: What spings did you use, I was looking in the OME cataloge and noticed two different spring rates one medium and the other was different but from what I was told they were heavier and thats what they recomended.

The medium rate was cheaper and I guess are softer


I went for the HD springs as they have a full length second spring (Hopefully wont bend as easily)

They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears
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bigsteve wrote:They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears


Holy crap where did you buy them from? I got mine for $170 a spring pack from ARB Richmond
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grimbo wrote:
bigsteve wrote:They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears


Holy crap where did you buy them from? I got mine for $170 a spring pack from ARB Richmond


Have you got the heavy duty ones though grimbo?

I know the normal ones are meant to be 190 each, i think i got my some of mine for about 175 each...

Agreed though - 900 seems steep. :?
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DeWsE wrote:The medium rate was cheaper and I guess are softer


Dewse,

I'm running the lighter option in mine i think... they have bedded in quite well (front and rear have been reduced to 3 leaves each).

However, note that if you are running a lot of tyre under them they will start getting beaten up quite quickly - for example - LJ Extreem was eating springs on a 1 to 2 springs per year basis on his front end. This is simply due to a lot of tyre, and very light springs.
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grimbo wrote:
bigsteve wrote:They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears


Holy crap where did you buy them from? I got mine for $170 a spring pack from ARB Richmond


The lighter Duty ones retail for $190 the HD are $225.

How long ago did you pay that Price??
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greg wrote:
DeWsE wrote:The medium rate was cheaper and I guess are softer


Dewse,

I'm running the lighter option in mine i think... they have bedded in quite well (front and rear have been reduced to 3 leaves each).

However, note that if you are running a lot of tyre under them they will start getting beaten up quite quickly - for example - LJ Extreem was eating springs on a 1 to 2 springs per year basis on his front end. This is simply due to a lot of tyre, and very light springs.


Big heavy rubber one end and allot of torque the other ... =S shaped springs :cry:
The only real cure is torque arms of some description, should help with traction as well as wheel hop should be reduced ..
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bigsteve wrote:
grimbo wrote:
bigsteve wrote:They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears


Holy crap where did you buy them from? I got mine for $170 a spring pack from ARB Richmond


The lighter Duty ones retail for $190 the HD are $225.

How long ago did you pay that Price??


It's all about who you know at ARB i think mate... those 190 ones are the ones that i picked up for 175... you can normally get at least 10% off.
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greg wrote:
bigsteve wrote:
grimbo wrote:
bigsteve wrote:They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears


Holy crap where did you buy them from? I got mine for $170 a spring pack from ARB Richmond


The lighter Duty ones retail for $190 the HD are $225.

How long ago did you pay that Price??


It's all about who you know at ARB i think mate... those 190 ones are the ones that i picked up for 175... you can normally get at least 10% off.


this info would have been more usefull b4 he brought them ;)
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redzook wrote:
greg wrote:
bigsteve wrote:
grimbo wrote:
bigsteve wrote:They are the more expensive of the 2, I think it was $900 for the set of 4 rears


Holy crap where did you buy them from? I got mine for $170 a spring pack from ARB Richmond


The lighter Duty ones retail for $190 the HD are $225.

How long ago did you pay that Price??


It's all about who you know at ARB i think mate... those 190 ones are the ones that i picked up for 175... you can normally get at least 10% off.




this info would have been more usefull b4 he brought them ;)


Ah well Who cares its too late now
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redzook wrote:this info would have been more usefull b4 he brought them ;)


True - like telling him that spoa's are crap before he built his first sierra would have been handy too. :finger:


Sorry big steve - never pay retail at ARB (generally - or at least for items that are ARB products).
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Mine are the heavy duty ones bought this time last year. mind you they are stuffed now - gotta love inverting a shackle with the front diff lock on, 6:1 gears and full throttle :D
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grimbo wrote:Mine are the heavy duty ones bought this time last year. mind you they are stuffed now - gotta love inverting a shackle with the front diff lock on, 6:1 gears and full throttle :D


Perhaps time to look at shackle reversals ...
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grimbo wrote:Mine are the heavy duty ones bought this time last year. mind you they are stuffed now - gotta love inverting a shackle with the front diff lock on, 6:1 gears and full throttle :D


Why would you hit anything at full throttle with a 6:1??

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bigsteve wrote:
grimbo wrote:Mine are the heavy duty ones bought this time last year. mind you they are stuffed now - gotta love inverting a shackle with the front diff lock on, 6:1 gears and full throttle :D


Why would you hit anything at full throttle with a 6:1??

I'm lurvin mine


Give it time .. also full throttle with the 6:1's in 2nd or 3rd is just over walking pace .. :D
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love_mud wrote:
grimbo wrote:Mine are the heavy duty ones bought this time last year. mind you they are stuffed now - gotta love inverting a shackle with the front diff lock on, 6:1 gears and full throttle :D


Perhaps time to look at shackle reversals ...


u can still invert a shackle with shackle reverse

is that the first time u have inverted a shackle grimbo?
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bigsteve wrote:
grimbo wrote:Mine are the heavy duty ones bought this time last year. mind you they are stuffed now - gotta love inverting a shackle with the front diff lock on, 6:1 gears and full throttle :D


Why would you hit anything at full throttle with a 6:1??

I'm lurvin mine


stupid bloody photo shoot :oops:

First time I've inverted the shackles also first and only time I've driven that way with that set up. I have added anti inversion brackets since then
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