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turbo in a sierra

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turbo in a sierra

Post by 76 »

dose any one now if you can put a turbo motor in a sierra. and if you can what kind of motor will fit.

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Post by 11_evl »

yes it is possible.
i think any 4 cyl turbo motor will fit
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Post by flickaz »

Can be done. Ive done it!! :) I reckon most common would be GTI, vitara (EFI) and 4AGZE's.
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Post by mcwilly »

I'd love to do a mazda bpt out of a familia in a zoom
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Post by flaxton »

turbo rota ! brap brap
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Post by Guy »

Please provide more detail and take a look in the "search function"
There is quite a bit of info about on this..

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Post by mrRocky »

how bout a mitsubishi Evo motor bolted to an early model scorpion rwd g/box I have seen this setup in a gemini and its very powerful and light.
motor bolts straight up to g/box without the need for adaptor plates ect...
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Post by short stuff »

i've done it gti swift turbo there's heaps of people out there with turbo sierra's

4agze--- 4agte
evo
gti swift
vitara
sierra 1.3 with injection
there's plenty to choose from thats just some
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Post by PCRman »

mrRocky wrote:how bout a mitsubishi Evo motor bolted to an early model scorpion rwd g/box I have seen this setup in a gemini and its very powerful and light.
motor bolts straight up to g/box without the need for adaptor plates ect...

I did some research into 4g63t's a little while ago, I didn't get the impression they were very light so I'm not sure how the cast block would go in a little zook weight wise. So other guys more up on the effect of heavy engines in sierra's may have some input here.
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Post by mrRocky »

Still would be cool as its never been done before in a zook and wouldnt be any harder than 4agze into sierra. Later model ones put out an easy 206 kw at the motor.
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Post by mnemonix »

PCRman wrote:
mrRocky wrote:how bout a mitsubishi Evo motor bolted to an early model scorpion rwd g/box I have seen this setup in a gemini and its very powerful and light.
motor bolts straight up to g/box without the need for adaptor plates ect...

I did some research into 4g63t's a little while ago, I didn't get the impression they were very light so I'm not sure how the cast block would go in a little zook weight wise. So other guys more up on the effect of heavy engines in sierra's may have some input here.
I've put a 4g63t into an X2 excel before so nothing is impossible. It's just not always straight forward.
I'd always ask myself 2 simple questions though:
- Why do I NEED to do this conversion?
- Is the power output and power curve suited to this vehicles intended application?
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Post by BlueSuzy »

mrRocky wrote:how bout a mitsubishi Evo motor bolted to an early model scorpion rwd g/box I have seen this setup in a gemini and its very powerful and light.
motor bolts straight up to g/box without the need for adaptor plates ect...
That would be mega in anything! Evo sierra. Nice.

How about the F20c with the 6sp manual.. Niceeeeeeeeee.
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Post by PCRman »

mnemonix wrote: - Why do I NEED to do this conversion?
- Is the power output and power curve suited to this vehicles intended application?
I agree on both counts

I've been wondering about a 4d56t conversion on a vit and how that would go. the intercooled CRDi version is ~100kw @ 4000rpm and ~300Nm at 2000rpm. Being a paj motor its already set up for longitudinal use with plenty of gearbox/transmission options I reakon it would be a better use over a 4-pot 9000rpm screamer. Just a thought
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Post by PCRman »

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Post by clownman »

careful guys in queensland you can no longer put a turbo in a car if the car did not come out with a turbo. i was going to put a turbo in the lwb vitara but when i spoke to the engineer it cannot be done in qld legally
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Post by sic_zook »

ive got all the mounts n jacksharft at home 2 put a series 4/5 turbo rotory in a short or long wheelbase sierra. u dont move the transfer n only a 2inch bodylift its fun a little scary at first n awesome ofroad but not leagel. i got pulled over about 10 times. booked speeding twice n alot of eleagle street racing on the south side n for 2 n a half years n cops never even relized. if u have a maruti it has a differant catagory code n u can do more with it. they were going 2 pass the 13bt in mine if the coudent see the turbo
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Post by zuku26 »

I'm in the process of a turbo swift GT motor install. It's probably the easiest install of the bunch since the GT motor is a direct bolt in swap for the most part. then you just have to deal with a turbo mani.
What did you guys do about a turbo manifold?? That's where I'm stuck. my options seems to be custom only. I've read some things else where that the RWD toyota ae86 aftermarket turbo mani's have the bolt holes close to where you need them on the GT, and that it places the turbo in a usable location.
You guys on the other side of the pond have it a bit easier because your steering equipment is on the right side of the car. we in the US have to fit the turbo, exhaust set-up and run our intake piping all around the steering
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Post by BumbleBee »

clownman wrote:careful guys in queensland you can no longer put a turbo in a car if the car did not come out with a turbo. i was going to put a turbo in the lwb vitara but when i spoke to the engineer it cannot be done in qld legally
Since when? I had my twin turbo 4 Runner mod plated and re-registered about 2 months ago.
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Post by sic_zook »

your engineer must think your dodgy or is to lazy to follow all the maths in the books
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Post by Rhett »

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Turbo on a serria motor, also injected and now with nitrous
Its a wheelbase thing
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Post by BumbleBee »

sic_zook wrote:your engineer must think your dodgy or is to lazy to follow all the maths in the books
what engineer? I just got it mod plated, i dont need an engineer.

What maths are you talking about. i rang qld transport before i did the conversion and they said it was fine, all they wanted to know was the weight of the 4 Runner.
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Post by clownman »

the laws changed as of the beginning of september 2009 in qld only i did go and have a look on the goverment website myself all mod plates done prior to the 1st of sept 09 will stand, but as for me i can put a v6 in but no friggin turbo which sux, however i may have stumbled accross a model that never came to australia with a turbo, ill keep you all posted
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Post by zuku26 »

Rhett wrote:Image
Turbo on a serria motor, also injected and now with nitrous
Tell more about that manifold.
Is it custom...ect also what turbo are you using
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Post by mud4b »

zuku26 wrote:I'm in the process of a turbo swift GT motor install. It's probably the easiest install of the bunch since the GT motor is a direct bolt in swap for the most part. then you just have to deal with a turbo mani.
What did you guys do about a turbo manifold?? That's where I'm stuck. my options seems to be custom only. I've read some things else where that the RWD toyota ae86 aftermarket turbo mani's have the bolt holes close to where you need them on the GT, and that it places the turbo in a usable location.
You guys on the other side of the pond have it a bit easier because your steering equipment is on the right side of the car. we in the US have to fit the turbo, exhaust set-up and run our intake piping all around the steering
Hi bud.
try redline gti, they sell a few different sorts of turbo manifolds.
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Post by zuku26 »

mud4b wrote:
zuku26 wrote:I'm in the process of a turbo swift GT motor install. It's probably the easiest install of the bunch since the GT motor is a direct bolt in swap for the most part. then you just have to deal with a turbo mani.
What did you guys do about a turbo manifold?? That's where I'm stuck. my options seems to be custom only. I've read some things else where that the RWD toyota ae86 aftermarket turbo mani's have the bolt holes close to where you need them on the GT, and that it places the turbo in a usable location.
You guys on the other side of the pond have it a bit easier because your steering equipment is on the right side of the car. we in the US have to fit the turbo, exhaust set-up and run our intake piping all around the steering
Hi bud.
try redline gti, they sell a few different sorts of turbo manifolds.
cheers mark.

I have looked on that site even searched the forum, never did I see a GT turbo manifold set-up for RWD. The only one that ive found in RWD is from a company called Turbinetech.ca in canada, but he wants like $700 US. That's more then I paid for the motor itself!!!
I'll search Redline again
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Post by simcoz »

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Here's mine
It's a 1.6 16v with water to air intercooler(blaa blaa blaa)
manifold is custom made by me.You just need a head plate from an exhaust shop,two 90 deg and two Ts then cut them to fit then weld them up.cost me $80 total.
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Post by nicbeer »

simcoz wrote: Here's mine
It's a 1.6 16v with water to air intercooler(blaa blaa blaa)
manifold is custom made by me.You just need a head plate from an exhaust shop,two 90 deg and two Ts then cut them to fit then weld them up.cost me $80 total.
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Post by Rhett »

my manifold is same setuo as simcoz header plate 2x 90deg bends and 2x tees. My turbo is off a mitubishi td delica. Makes full boost 14psi at about 2500rpm
Its a wheelbase thing
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Post by Rhett »

my manifold is same setuo as simcoz header plate 2x 90deg bends and 2x tees. My turbo is off a mitubishi td delica. Makes full boost 14psi at about 2500rpm
Its a wheelbase thing
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Post by Gutless »

simcoz wrote:You just need a head plate from an exhaust shop,two 90 deg and two Ts then cut them to fit then weld them up.cost me $80 total.
No offence mate but what you have described is the most inefficient method of which to make a turbo manifold. Commonly refered to as a "log design". It creates massive hot spots where intersecting flows meet, increasing intake temps and risk of detonation.

Tuned length runner design is optimal, otherwise unequal length runner design is the next best. Log manifolds are at the bottom.

To those wanting to find out more about manifold design, there is a whole chapter on it in a book called 'MAXIMUM BOOST' Written By Author Corky Bell. It has been around for a while but is still recent enough to cover things like variable vaine impellers etc.

Here is one I made a year ago. G16 16v. It was very close to equal length runners. Made from 32NB weld in mandrels, purge TIG welded. Note the (unfinished in the pic) spike at the intersection to reduce turbulance into the turbo.
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