AUSSIE ROCK RACE - 2011 - Pics page 6&7

[STIKA]

Stika, you know stuff that someone who lives in Darwin shouldn't know. What is your name?

It doesn't say I live in Darwin, that is just where I have been for the past couple of months.

[STIKA]

Bretts (both of you)

is either one of you planning on going out again in the near future...i can probably get out in a couple of weeks for a run if you are interested...

like i say if i have to winch then count me out..i am not taking the risk of having a winch sitting 2 foot from me spooling under that sort of weight..there is nowhere safe to mount it on here


sure i have one mounted just in front of my seat to pull the front suspension down but it isnt under that sort of strain

dave

I am tied up with radio controlled RC stuff on the 30th Jan and then there is only the TT scrutineering, which should be at the end of the month. Shortly after that the truck will come of the road, I want to get the turbo’s sorted and start tidy up for TT10.

[Suspension Stuff]

Shane Are you for real mate.???
11evel may have driven against the yuri buggys and one of them was a dinosaur as far as buggys go. But when it comes to some of the buggys out there the definetly tuff little zook wouldnt stand a chance.
Apples and Oranges there mate.
If you know anything about the scrapper buggy then could you imagine Sam Or Tony behind the wheel in this comp?? No winch will be needed and they will be scarry quick.


Oh yeah and i dont think Rolly will really like you calling his truck a Buggy

You don't have to defend the capability of a buggy, just about everybody on this forum knows they are capable, it is no secret.

Somebody was questioning 11Evil's capacity to know what they are capable of and in no way did I intend to pretend that his Zook was even close to being as capable, my point was to let people know that he knows what he is talking about.

If you read back through the post you will find that I called Rolly's thing a Truggy and mentioned that he come 4th in Tuff Truck so people will know that he knows a thing or 2 also. No-one pretends that it is a moon buggy.

Also you don't have to defend Tony's and Sam's ability to drive and their ability to know how to set up a 4WD. You just have to read through Pirate to know Sam was teaching the guys in the US how to set up link Suspension back in 2003.

Sam is building another quite simple 4WD but I bet he will be able to compete against some of less well set up buggies.

Now we have got that out of the way and we all agree that moon buggies are capable if set up correctly you can continue to pay out on me and others if you wish.

Shane

[Rhett]

I wouldn't put my money on a moon type buggy in an event like this. You would need to carry a few spares and maybe a tire this is hard in a tiny buggy. THey might be super capable but they arnt really set up for longer, more speed events- (tail shaft angles and flipped diffs)
You also wouldn't be able to move after spending 10 hours in the scrapper copy or yuris newer buggy for that matter. So fatigue would play a factor as well.

[nastytroll]

Watch KOH 09 and see all the carnage on the race, it is also good to see how they deal with carrying a spare. A buggy is capable of driving extreme stuff, but flat out for 10 hours would be interesting.

I would be interested to see if anything does finish after 10 hours driven at speed through these conditions. Driver fatigue and vehicle fatigue will play a big part.

I also feel a single seat buggy should go alone, no spotter or nav. Just like Shannon in KOH. No seat, No ride. Havind a running spotter for 10 hours will be awsome to see too.

[joshy]

I also feel a single seat buggy should go alone, no spotter or nav. Just like Shannon in KOH. No seat, No ride. Havind a running spotter for 10 hours will be awsome to see too.

So i have 5 seats, i can have 4 spotters?
Looking forward to this, just depend on wether my dodgy motor will turn the 42's fast enough.

[BEEPJEEP]

I have noticed that since I posted the pics up not many people are talking. Does the track seem to hard or something?

is that the hard stages????

hmm...maybe i wont bother about fixinng the lockers in my buggy then

so where are the bits that you are expecting me to winch??

but an actual serious question....have you Shane or Brendan even seen the terrain that a buggy is capable of driving..not talking about a truck like Bretts but a full on buggy...mine is a sh!tter and i seriously cant see too much that would concern me enough to want to put a winch on my car..let alone some of the better buggies or rigs that would be out there..from the pics that whole track looks driveable for my car...like i say that is from the pics and i fully plan on coming out and driving the track in the next few weeks when i can get a spare day..
i will also try and talk someone into bringing the scrapper out..that is a capable buggy that would seriously eat everything imo

dave

Dave, lets us know when your going out for a run, cheers.

[purplebus]

This is going to be a fun weekend. There may be a turtle and the hare scenario maybe...??? hopefully my old banga will make it around the track. I am aiming for the " Dude having the most fun award ".

I think a few of us less capable vehicles may come for a weekend to have a look so I dont embarrass myself.

[Suspension Stuff]

This is going to be a fun weekend. There may be a turtle and the hare scenario maybe...??? hopefully my old banga will make it around the track. I am aiming for the " Dude having the most fun award ".

I think a few of us less capable vehicles may come for a weekend to have a look so I dont embarrass myself.

Put it this way. The Jeep will drive to the hard part on the main track but it will be walkies from there.

[nastytroll]

I also feel a single seat buggy should go alone, no spotter or nav. Just like Shannon in KOH. No seat, No ride. Havind a running spotter for 10 hours will be awsome to see too.

So i have 5 seats, i can have 4 spotters? :)
Looking forward to this, just depend on wether my dodgy motor will turn the 42's fast enough.

I believe 1 driver and 1 navi, hence the term ENDURANCE EVENT, not the I'm too tired you go for me event.

[TYLER]

the event sounds cool hey, deffo a fullbodied comp! tho a a few rock racing styler events would be great to see over here so we can see is these buggy drivers can really drive haha, after watching hours and hours of xrra footage im impressed with those buggies! and i tend to agree with a few these enduro events should be more high speed, maybe look towards some of the big western queensland propertys for more outback events, wouldnt mind seeing a 24hr event start up i recon it would attract many overseas drivers..... providing the prize money would be enough to lol!

[mud guts]

I am keen to bring my rig up, provided i have the cash to make it enduro ready. Tuff Truck will take its toll, and will need some repairs.

[ian1974]

I am keen to bring my rig up, provided i have the cash to make it enduro ready. Tuff Truck will take its toll, and will need some repairs.

mate please do..keen to have a look.....

Ian

[OIIIO]

I am keen to bring my rig up, provided i have the cash to make it enduro ready. Tuff Truck will take its toll, and will need some repairs.

mate please do..keen to have a look.....

Ian

Get your POS finished!!

Then I can navi for you

[Mosko111]

So did anyone head out this weekend and try and clear some of that fallen timber of the proposed track? any picks?
and did anyone attempt the mini waterfall?

[brooksy]

Comp looks interesting & the ideas seem good. Be interetsing to see how people attack such an event, I don't think you will need to go all out as you will end up DNF'ed by hour 3-4. I believe some level heads are going to be needed & good preperation on vehicles to elilminate the more annoying breakages. Self preservation will be the key.



brooksy

[booflux]

Comp looks interesting & the ideas seem good. Be interetsing to see how people attack such an event, I don't think you will need to go all out as you will end up DNF'ed by hour 3-4. I believe some level heads are going to be needed & good preperation on vehicles to elilminate the more annoying breakages. Self preservation will be the key.



brooksy

Will yours be done in time to enter ?

[Mosko111]

So didnt anyone head out on the weekend? whose going to have bragging rights as being the first person to drive the whole course? surely some of you guys would be wanting to prove that your rig can do it easily

[Suspension Stuff]

So didnt anyone head out on the weekend? whose going to have bragging rights as being the first person to drive the whole course? surely some of you guys would be wanting to prove that your rig can do it easily

Yeah I went down and drove everything. I went by myself so I didn't take pics.

[tuf045]

So didnt anyone head out on the weekend? whose going to have bragging rights as being the first person to drive the whole course? surely some of you guys would be wanting to prove that your rig can do it easily

Yeah I went down and drove everything. I went by myself so I didn't take pics.

wondering when the dates and rules will be coming? more the rules for the car as in safety gear

[Suspension Stuff]

Brenden must be still on holidays or hasn't had time to come into the shop today. Eventually he will come back because I have his 75 Series at the front of the shop. I will put a for sale sign on it.

He had the draft finished ages ago so it shouldn't be too far away.

[brooksy]

Depends on what date you choose I may be ready but with current workload commitments I could be struggling. I just need to keep the wife on side so I can keep the hours up in the shed.




brooksy

[Suspension Stuff]

We have changed the course a little bit so the new creek run will be totally driven up hill.

Brenden is adding another short creek run also that has a hard rock climb in it. The buggies would love this one, as it goes up it gets steeper and steeper.

We are also shortening it to 8 hours. Because of the staggard start we wanted to make sure the whole race could be run in daylight hours.

I have spoken to Brenden, the rules will be going up tonight.

Shane

[harrisbm]

8 Hour 4x4 Endurance Lap Comp
Major Sponsor Suspension Stuff
Saturday 22nd May 2010. 7am-5:30pm
MARSHAL RULES 2
Detailed Rules and Regulations 3
RECOVERY EQUIPMENT 3
SAFETY EQUIPMENT 3
RECOVERY 3
WARNINGS AND PENALTIES 3
SCRUTINEERING 4
BODY/CHASSIS 4
BRAKES 4
ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS 4
COOLING 5
EXHAUST SYSTEMS 5
FUEL SYSTEMS 5
OIL COOLING SYSTEMS 5
STEERING 5
WINDSCREENS AND SIDE SCREENS 5
SEATING 5
WHEELS AND TYRES 5
ROLL OVER PROTECTION 6
Detailed Track Rules 6
Passing 6
Winching Passing 6
Rock Passing 6
Road Building 6
Refuelling 6
Track Time Register 7
Pit Stops / Finished Lap 7
Track Recovery 8
Spectators 8
Track Management 8
Competitors driving on the track 8



MARSHAL RULES
Safety
• Marshal vests or high vise competition shirts must be worn at all times while on the tracks.
• Never stand in front or behind a moving vehicle.
• While the vehicle is moving you will stand a minimum of 2 meters to the side of the vehicle
• Spectator Marshalls are to keep spectators a minimum of 20m from the vehicles on the tracks.
• All Marshals are too wear sunscreen.
• Only recovery marshals are to recover a vehicle unless the owner of the vehicle can recover their vehicle.
• All marshals must read and sign the safety management system prior to entering the track. This induction will take about 45mins-1 hour

Time Sheets
• The driver of the vehicle must sign the time sheet at the check points.
• It’s the driver responsibility to sign the log. If the driver misses the time sheet there will be a 2 minute penalty.
• Each full lap will require a mandatory 15 minute break. There will be 10 stop watches at the start finish line with the drivers getting out of the car and starting the count up to 15mins. The driver is responsible for the time keeping. If they forget to start the clock they must begin the count up when they remember.
• Ensure the time sheet number matches the car number
• UHF Ch14

Recovery Cars
• The recovery car must at all times be in sound working order. If the car breaks it is not to be used.
• There will be 3 cars located in the 3 sectioned areas. Should there be more than one car in need of help then the 1st car has priority.
• The recovery cars must ensure the sponsors logo is on the vehicle at all times.

Service Providers
• Police will provide spectator control. Two officers will be assigned to the flat spectator areas.
• St Johns Ambulance will be the drive and spectator medical supervisors.
• Vehicle recovery will be overseen by Brenden Harris
• OH&S requirements – Trade Facilities Management.
• Water and Sanitary – SRAP Wendy Harris



Detailed Rules and Regulations
RECOVERY EQUIPMENT
All vehicles must have the following minimum recovery equipment (compatible with all winches fitted):
1. 1 minimum 25m snatch strap.
2. 1 minimum 25m winch extension
3. 1 tree protector strap.
4. 1 snatch block.
5. 2 stamped and rated shackles (safe working load of min 3.25 tons).
6. 2 pairs of appropriate gloves (not woollen).
7. Winch dampener (approx 1kg).
8. Suitable recovery points to the front and rear of the vehicles.
9. All winches must comply with the following regulations:
10. Minimum size of winch is 6000 lbs rated.
11. Cable / rope must be in good condition.
12. Winch is not mandatory although the recovery car may take time in getting to a stuck car.
SAFETY EQUIPMENT
1. A fire extinguisher (min 2kg) system must be carried on all competing vehicles.
2. All vehicles must carry a first aid kit.
3. Regulations as detailed above are the MINIMUM required.
4. All vehicles must comply with the rules as stated above.
RECOVERY
If a competitor is recovered by a Marshall's vehicle they can continue if the care is not broken.
Competitors can be recovered by other competitors. I don’t think this will happen that often unless they are really in the way.
WARNINGS AND PENALTIES
In the event of an infringement of the rules, there will be no verbal warning given before a penalty is charged. Remember that the rules are there for the protection of yourself and others.
1. Drivers must not hold up another car if caught. 1 minute tag along only after that a marshal will issue a 2 minute penalty.
2. Winching without dampener 2 minute penalty.
3. Touching or walking over a loaded winch cable/rope. 5minute penalty
4. Swearing in ear shot of a marshal/spectators 1 minute penalty “ F Word, C Word”.
5. Abusing a spectator or fellow competitor 5 minute penalty 1st offence. 2nd offence disqualified.
6. Fighting- disqualified and may result in charges. We will report any conduct of this nature to the police.
7. No alcohol to be consumed at any stage of the event. Disqualified
8. Hands or head out of the car while moving. 2 minute penalty 1st warning. 2nd warning disqualified.
9. Excessive bumping of other competitor’s car 2 minutes.
10. Breaking speed limit zones 1st offence 2 minutes, 2nd offence 4 minutes, 3rd offence 10 minutes, 4th offence disqualified.
11. All drivers must hold a current Driving Licence.
12. Driving of track area 1st offence 10 minute penalty, 2nd offence 20 minute penalty, 3rd offence 30 minute penalty. 1 hour penalty for each additional offence. (The definition of driving off track is missing a section of track as defined in the track map.
13. This may be added to at any time.
SCRUTINEERING
1. Driver and/or co-driver must present their vehicle to the scenic rim adventure park at least one week prior to the event for inspection of the track. The track must be driven at slow speed with all the minimum requirements in or on the car.
2. There must be at least 2 cars together on the inspection run.
3. For interstate or long distant competitors, a list of previous competitions your vehicle has competed in must be forwarded. These competitors will be able to drive the track on the Friday before the event starts.
4. Co-drivers under the age of 18 must be accompanied by a legal guardian or parent or have written permission from them to compete.
BODY/CHASSIS
1. The vehicle must have a complete floor of adequate strength and rigidity supported within the driver/passenger compartment.
2. The vehicle must be fitted with doors or bodywork giving side protection to the driver and passenger.
3. If the vehicle is fitted with driver/passenger doors, hatchback doors, sliding doors, opening boots or tailgates, these must be secured in the closed position during competition.
4. Tailgates may be removed.
5. The load carrying area must be separated from the passenger compartment by an adequate barrier. All items in the passenger section must be secured.
6. All recovery equipment must be stored securely in or on the vehicle.
7. Must have a metal roof that covers the passengers and driver
BRAKES
1. The vehicle must be fitted with brakes that are operative and capable of stopping and holding the vehicle as required. Should the brakes fail at any stage of the track the car must pull over and repair the brakes? If the brakes have been crimped they must be repaired at the next pit stop. If the car has no breaks they must stop and call for a marshal to assist in getting the new bake lines.
2. A parking brake system must be fitted.
ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS
1. Any wet batteries in the driver/passenger compartment must be enclosed in a securely located leak-proof container.
2. Batteries must be securely fastened and terminals protected from short circuiting.
3. The vehicle must be equipped with an effective horn or other audible warning device emitting a continuous tone. A loud whistle can be used to notify the car in front.
4. A battery isolator that cuts the engine is recommended.
COOLING
1. All fluid carrying lines or tubes carrying coolants through the driver/passenger compartment if non-metallic are to be internally or externally metal braided hydraulic hose.
EXHAUST SYSTEMS
1. The exhaust system must be isolated from the driver/passenger compartment. Fire proof rap can be used to lag the pipes
FUEL SYSTEMS
1. All fuel lines passing through the driver/passenger compartment shall be protected and, must be encased in a steel tube/welded hat section.
OIL COOLING SYSTEMS
1. Any oil lines passing through the driver/passenger compartment must be protected and, if non-metallic, be formed of internally or externally braided hydraulic pressure hose.
STEERING
1. All steering joints and couplings must be in serviceable condition.
WINDSCREENS AND SIDE SCREENS
1. Non standard Windscreens must be of laminated glass or plastic of a minimum thickness of 4mm. Plastic side screens, where fitted, should also have a minimum thickness of 4mm unless fitted otherwise by the original vehicle manufacturer. If a windscreen is damaged to the extent that that a hole is made the screen is to be removed at the earliest opportunity prior to continuing with the event. There must be some form of protection in the front window. If you have no front windscreen you can’t continue. (Cars in front can throw stones when spinning wheels)
2. Window nets must cover the opening for the driver and navigators windows.
3. If you don’t have a front window full face helmets must be worn.
SEATING
1. The maximum time for the driver/passenger to get out of the vehicle should not exceed 5 seconds.
2. Safety belts must be worn at all times during competition whilst the vehicle is in motion. The minimum requirement is a four point full harness, with four anchor points on the chassis/body shell or rollover bar of the vehicle on either side and to the rear of the seat.
3. The Navigators seat must comply to the above rule
WHEELS AND TYRES
1. The use of tyre chains is prohibited.
2. Minimum tyre size 35” diameter. Maximum tyre 48”
3. A spare wheel is not a mandatory requirement but, if carried, must be securely fastened.
ROLL OVER PROTECTION
1. No vehicle will be allowed to compete without some form of rollover cage. A manufacturer’s correctly fitted hardtop or Truck-cab shall be deemed insufficient. The impact load must transfer to the chassis. All cages must be braced to prevent crushing.
2. All drivers and navigators must wear crash helmets. Bicycle helmets for the navigators is ok. The drivers must have a helmet that covers the ears

Detailed Track Rules
Passing
1. The car that is in front has 30seconds to pull over and let the car behind pass.
2. The car behind must honk the horn or blow a whistle twice to notify the front car of the intention to pass.
3. Should the car in front not allow the car behind to pass. The rear car is to notify the marshal on channel 14 and notify them of the situation.
4. There is no overtaking in the speed limit sections unless the car is going 5km/ph below the limit.
Winching Passing
1. If a car is more than half way up the climb the car behind must wait for the car to finish winching the hill.
2. The car that is less than half way up the hill, has been caught during the winching must stop the winch. The car is to release the load. Once the load is released:-
1. The car that has caught up can then free spool the winch and begin winching.
2. Both navigators must be clear of the winch ropes.
3. Once the car is free and driving the car that was caught can begin winching.
3. If a car is passed on a winch hill it doesn’t have the right to pass the car in front until the next mapped section.
Rock Passing
1. There are multiple lines and you can pass as you see fit.
2. If there is a car winching, the winching car must stop and reduce the loaded cable for the other car to pass.
3. If there is a broken down car the chicken track can be used to get around the car.
Road Building
1. You can do whatever you want to build the road up. All material used to build the road up doesn’t have to be removed unless the Navi wants’ to.
Refuelling
1. There are 2 fuel spots as marked on the maps.
2. There will be 2x9kg extinguishers and a fire blanket at each refuelling spot.
3. The Navi or driver is to have one in their hand and stand 2m away while the other one fills the car.
4. No one is allowed in the car when refuelling.
5. The steps to fuelling the car is as follows:
1. The person pouring the fuel into the car, is to hold the jerry can and touch the metal on the car.
2. Undo the petrol cap.
3. Pour the petrol in.
4. Place the jerry can back in the waiting spot.
5. Put the cap back on the petrol tank.
6. If there is a petrol spill the liquid is to be washed away.
7. Teams are to have the following at the refuelling depot:-
1. Jerry cans with the type of fuel labelled with the driver name and competitor number. (These can be refilled during the race should a friend do a BP run. Must give friend name prior to start or they will not be allowed to remove the jerry can)
2. Fuel additives must be boxed and labelled
3. No NOS refills allowed.
4. LPG must fill up in a different area to the unleaded.
Track Time Register
1. There will be 3 track time marshalling registers. These will be marked on the track map
2. The drive/navigator will sign the card when available.
3. The 1st 8 hours will be the start finish register sign only.
4. The last two hours will see the track time register marshals at the other 2 stations requiring the drive/navi to sign and time mark.
5. In the event of 2 or more vehicles having completed the same amount of laps and are at the same track section area will be at the completion of the 10 hours. A final half lap drive off will happen.
6. Steps for signing the time card
1. On the completion of the lap. The driver will get out of the car and go to the time signing board.
2. There will be a clock with the time and the hours and the minutes will need to be entered.
3. Once the driver has signed the time card the marshal will verify the details.
Pit Stops / Finished Lap
1. Pit stops are unlimited.
2. If you fix the car you can keep on going
3. You will have a sectioned area for your parts and tools. This is not a secure area and the event organisers and the park owners will not be held liable for any loses.
4. You can borrow from fellow competitors with their permission. The borrowed parts must be logged on the marshalled parts list and names and signatures must be given. This will prevent any accusations at the end of the day.
5. At the end of each lap there is a mandatory 15min break. Time keeping steps.
1. There will be 10 or more stop watches on a board.
2. The Driver is to get out of the car and start the stop watch.
3. Once the watch reaches 15mins the drive will hand the watch to the Time marshal.
4. The Time marshal will sign the driver’s time card and the drive can then start their next lap.
5. If the driver forgets to start the stop watch they must start it from the time they remember to start the watch. The Marshal will not let anyone continue unless there is 15mins on the stop watch.
6. If there is a failure in the stop watch you must notify the Marshal immediately so he can continue the timing on his watch. Don’t try and reset the clock or your time will start again.
Track Recovery
1. If your car needs to be recovered you must ensure the car is mechanically sound.
2. If the cage is severely damaged the car will not be allowed to continue. This will be determined by the head marshal.
3. There will be a marshal recovery car and that car can be called on channel 14. The wait maybe long as the order of recovery will be as requested by the competitors.
4. You must have a working winch.
5. If your winch breaks during a loop. You must fix it or replace it at the next pit stop.
Spectators
1. If you see a spectator in the wrong position you must slow down and report the person to a marshal.
2. There will be 4 spectator points. These areas are shown on the track map.
3. The spectators will be kept either 70m away from the flat section of the track or high on the ridge with the cars crawling up the rocks through the creek sections.
4. We are mindful people want to get close to the cars but this is not acceptable for the competitors and spectators safety.
5. The Navigators have the power to ask and direct a wandering spectator to the correct spectating area.
6. If there are any issues with spectators the competitors are to let the marshals know on channel 14
7. There are two areas where spectators cross the track. This is in a speed limit zone and is marked on the track map. This will be a 5km section and the navi has to walk in front of the car. Those without a navi. It’s a 1st gear crawl.
8. These crossing areas are in the open with at least 100m of view.
Track Management
1. The track map will detail the following:-
1. Each of the 8 sections of the track.
2. The track sections will be colour coded
3. There will be speed limit zones marked on the map
4. There will be Marshal channels.
2. The track signs will detail the following:-
1. Speed zones
2. Section markers
3. Route markers
4. Distance markers to finish/start line
Competitors driving on the track
1. Must have a rear light that works.
2. Those cars that intend to be slow must turn on the rear light in the speed sections
3. Must drive with the front lights on.

[phil94delica]

Does anyone know the name of the excavator driver from the 2009 final???

Just a first name will do for the article I have to send in tonight

I sent Brendan an email and put a post in the event thread but no luck yet so I thought I would try here.

Someone must know.......

[harrisbm]

There are still areas that need to be clarified like what if your in the middle of a track that no marshal is near and the front car won't let you pass. We'll be finalising that at the first meeting next month to iron out those sort of question and issues.

[redzook]

what is the go with the 6000lb winch rule?

what is the reason you have to have one?

[Jcas24]

7. There are two areas where spectators cross the track. This is in a speed limit zone and is marked on the track map. This will be a 5km section and the navi has to walk in front of the car. Those without a navi. It’s a 1st gear crawl.

Navi has to walk this 5km every lap, holy sheet lol. And how is a 1st gear crawl for 5km going to be policed? (just curious, sounds like an awesome comp) be interesting to see how it fairs for spectators.

[Rhett]

I think presenting the car at least one week before hand might be a bit hard for those traveling long distances. Not myself Im only 4hr s tow away but Ive been talking to people willing to drive 10 plus hours.

[Mosko111]

if i were a spectator id be strapping a cooler bag to my back, arming myself with a machette and heading for the hard creek section with the large ledges then making a little lean to and digging in for 8 hours of metal on rock carnage!! haha