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The Australian ROCK Race

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The Australian ROCK Race

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We are gong to have an off road 8 hour endurance hard rock speed event at Scenic Rim Adventure Park at Beadesert near Brisbane, Queensland Australia. The track will be able to be driven and winched by modified winch trucks but it won't be for the light hearted. We will have vehicles that have at least 35" Tyres, good approach, departure and ramp over angle

Whoever can do the most 10km laps wins. You will get a timed 15 minute break every lap for fatigue safety.

We will start in intervals between 1 minute and 10 minutes(Yet to be decided). Starting order will most likely be chosen by Brenden and myself on who we think are most capable rigs.
Starting order of the following race in September will be dependant on the finishing order of the previous race.

Saturday 22nd May 2010. 7am-5:30pm and another to be held later in the year, probably September before it gets too hot.

This event will include the longest and hardest creek runs (with longer bypass tracks for not so capable vehicles) and some speed sections. We will start at the office and head up to Tour Drive 1, down Patrol Track, half of Gonzo's Noze, down an extreme new creek run, then down the other creek run that we all know that ends up back at the office.

You will need a minimum 35" tyres, good ground clearence, approach and departure angles. You will need a roll cage, harness and helmet for safety. Bring jerry cans for refueling and you can leave them at either of the 2 refuelling spots.

We will require you to run the course slowly before the event unless you email us your previous race achievements. We will soon have a map with GPS coordinates and the course will be signed so you can go through the course at your leisure.

Entry is $300. Prizes undecided and will depend on who Sponsors the event. We will give a separate prize for buggies and also Outlaw/Winch 4WD's and lap records. If other sponsors are interested please contact Brenden or myself.

We will have several Marshall stations (need heaps of volunteers) around the park so people stick to the course. Marshalls will be on channel 13.

If someone is close behind you please let them pass. A polite honk or whistle might work if they haven't seen you. If you have been passed, you can't pass the vehicle who past you until one of the next 8 marshalling points.

I hope that plenty of people bring video cameras so we can pool our resources and make an awesome DVD. Let us know if you are keen to put all this footage together to make the DVD.

The track is as follows:-
Start flat and.
830m hill climb easy
660m speed limit area due to steep cliff
2500m no speed limit
749m max 30km doen hill
380m rocky descent steep
320m hill climb
550m 15km speed limit due to 5km spectator crossing
765m no speed limit vertical descent and hill climbs crossing the gully. Rocky boulders in the gully
30m 5km speed limit due to 40m cliff next to the road
200m hill climb 15km per hour steep drop off
305m 20km per hour step drop off easy drive
260m very very steep descent with near vertical drop for the last 20m may need to turn around and winch down backwards
240m rock boulders
750m no limit small rocks
302m rock boulders
306m no limit
The start and finish may vary by 300m-400m.

Is anybody interested?

Also does anyone have a helicopter

RULES
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Saturday 22nd May 2010. 7am-5:30pm
MARSHAL RULES 2
Detailed Rules and Regulations 3
RECOVERY EQUIPMENT 3
SAFETY EQUIPMENT 3
RECOVERY 3
WARNINGS AND PENALTIES 3
SCRUTINEERING 4
BODY/CHASSIS 4
BRAKES 4
ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS 4
COOLING 5
EXHAUST SYSTEMS 5
FUEL SYSTEMS 5
OIL COOLING SYSTEMS 5
STEERING 5
WINDSCREENS AND SIDE SCREENS 5
SEATING 5
WHEELS AND TYRES 5
ROLL OVER PROTECTION 6
Detailed Track Rules 6
Passing 6
Winching Passing 6
Rock Passing 6
Road Building 6
Refuelling 6
Track Time Register 7
Pit Stops / Finished Lap 7
Track Recovery 8
Spectators 8
Track Management 8
Competitors driving on the track 8



MARSHAL RULES
Safety
• Marshal vests or high vise competition shirts must be worn at all times while on the tracks.
• Never stand in front or behind a moving vehicle.
• While the vehicle is moving you will stand a minimum of 2 meters to the side of the vehicle
• Spectator Marshalls are to keep spectators a minimum of 20m from the vehicles on the tracks.
• All Marshals are too wear sunscreen.
• Only recovery marshals are to recover a vehicle unless the owner of the vehicle can recover their vehicle.
• All marshals must read and sign the safety management system prior to entering the track. This induction will take about 45mins-1 hour

Time Sheets
• The driver of the vehicle must sign the time sheet at the check points.
• It’s the driver responsibility to sign the log. If the driver misses the time sheet there will be a 2 minute penalty.
• Each full lap will require a mandatory 15 minute break. There will be 10 stop watches at the start finish line with the drivers getting out of the car and starting the count up to 15mins. The driver is responsible for the time keeping. If they forget to start the clock they must begin the count up when they remember.
• Ensure the time sheet number matches the car number
• UHF Ch14

Recovery Cars
• The recovery car must at all times be in sound working order. If the car breaks it is not to be used.
• There will be 3 cars located in the 3 sectioned areas. Should there be more than one car in need of help then the 1st car has priority.
• The recovery cars must ensure the sponsors logo is on the vehicle at all times.

Service Providers
• Police will provide spectator control. Two officers will be assigned to the flat spectator areas.
• St Johns Ambulance will be the drive and spectator medical supervisors.
• Vehicle recovery will be overseen by Brenden Harris
• OH&S requirements – Trade Facilities Management.
• Water and Sanitary – SRAP Wendy Harris



Detailed Rules and Regulations
RECOVERY EQUIPMENT
All vehicles must have the following minimum recovery equipment (compatible with all winches fitted):
1. 1 minimum 25m snatch strap.
2. 1 minimum 25m winch extension
3. 1 tree protector strap.
4. 1 snatch block.
5. 2 stamped and rated shackles (safe working load of min 3.25 tons).
6. 2 pairs of appropriate gloves (not woollen).
7. Winch dampener (approx 1kg).
8. Suitable recovery points to the front and rear of the vehicles.
9. All winches must comply with the following regulations:
10. Minimum size of winch is 6000 lbs rated.
11. Cable / rope must be in good condition.
12. Winch is not mandatory although the recovery car may take time in getting to a stuck car.
SAFETY EQUIPMENT
1. A fire extinguisher (min 2kg) system must be carried on all competing vehicles.
2. All vehicles must carry a first aid kit.
3. Regulations as detailed above are the MINIMUM required.
4. All vehicles must comply with the rules as stated above.
RECOVERY
If a competitor is recovered by a Marshall's vehicle they can continue if the care is not broken.
Competitors can be recovered by other competitors. I don’t think this will happen that often unless they are really in the way.
WARNINGS AND PENALTIES
In the event of an infringement of the rules, there will be no verbal warning given before a penalty is charged. Remember that the rules are there for the protection of yourself and others.
1. Drivers must not hold up another car if caught. 1 minute tag along only after that a marshal will issue a 2 minute penalty.
2. Winching without dampener 2 minute penalty.
3. Touching or walking over a loaded winch cable/rope. 5minute penalty
4. Swearing in ear shot of a marshal/spectators 1 minute penalty “ F Word, C Word”.
5. Abusing a spectator or fellow competitor 5 minute penalty 1st offence. 2nd offence disqualified.
6. Fighting- disqualified and may result in charges. We will report any conduct of this nature to the police.
7. No alcohol to be consumed at any stage of the event. Disqualified
8. Hands or head out of the car while moving. 2 minute penalty 1st warning. 2nd warning disqualified.
9. Excessive bumping of other competitor’s car 2 minutes.
10. Breaking speed limit zones 1st offence 2 minutes, 2nd offence 4 minutes, 3rd offence 10 minutes, 4th offence disqualified.
11. All drivers must hold a current Driving Licence.
12. Driving of track area 1st offence 10 minute penalty, 2nd offence 20 minute penalty, 3rd offence 30 minute penalty. 1 hour penalty for each additional offence. (The definition of driving off track is missing a section of track as defined in the track map.
13. This may be added to at any time.
SCRUTINEERING
1. Driver and/or co-driver must present their vehicle to the scenic rim adventure park at least one week prior to the event for inspection of the track. The track must be driven at slow speed with all the minimum requirements in or on the car.
2. There must be at least 2 cars together on the inspection run.
3. For interstate or long distant competitors, a list of previous competitions your vehicle has competed in must be forwarded. These competitors will be able to drive the track on the Friday before the event starts.
4. Co-drivers under the age of 18 must be accompanied by a legal guardian or parent or have written permission from them to compete.
BODY/CHASSIS
1. The vehicle must have a complete floor of adequate strength and rigidity supported within the driver/passenger compartment.
2. The vehicle must be fitted with doors or bodywork giving side protection to the driver and passenger.
3. If the vehicle is fitted with driver/passenger doors, hatchback doors, sliding doors, opening boots or tailgates, these must be secured in the closed position during competition.
4. Tailgates may be removed.
5. The load carrying area must be separated from the passenger compartment by an adequate barrier. All items in the passenger section must be secured.
6. All recovery equipment must be stored securely in or on the vehicle.
7. Must have a metal roof that covers the passengers and driver
BRAKES
1. The vehicle must be fitted with brakes that are operative and capable of stopping and holding the vehicle as required. Should the brakes fail at any stage of the track the car must pull over and repair the brakes? If the brakes have been crimped they must be repaired at the next pit stop. If the car has no breaks they must stop and call for a marshal to assist in getting the new bake lines.
2. A parking brake system must be fitted.
ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS
1. Any wet batteries in the driver/passenger compartment must be enclosed in a securely located leak-proof container.
2. Batteries must be securely fastened and terminals protected from short circuiting.
3. The vehicle must be equipped with an effective horn or other audible warning device emitting a continuous tone. A loud whistle can be used to notify the car in front.
4. A battery isolator that cuts the engine is recommended.
COOLING
1. All fluid carrying lines or tubes carrying coolants through the driver/passenger compartment if non-metallic are to be internally or externally metal braided hydraulic hose.
EXHAUST SYSTEMS
1. The exhaust system must be isolated from the driver/passenger compartment. Fire proof rap can be used to lag the pipes
FUEL SYSTEMS
1. All fuel lines passing through the driver/passenger compartment shall be protected and, must be encased in a steel tube/welded hat section.
OIL COOLING SYSTEMS
1. Any oil lines passing through the driver/passenger compartment must be protected and, if non-metallic, be formed of internally or externally braided hydraulic pressure hose.
STEERING
1. All steering joints and couplings must be in serviceable condition.
WINDSCREENS AND SIDE SCREENS
1. Non standard Windscreens must be of laminated glass or plastic of a minimum thickness of 4mm. Plastic side screens, where fitted, should also have a minimum thickness of 4mm unless fitted otherwise by the original vehicle manufacturer. If a windscreen is damaged to the extent that that a hole is made the screen is to be removed at the earliest opportunity prior to continuing with the event. There must be some form of protection in the front window. If you have no front windscreen you can’t continue. (Cars in front can throw stones when spinning wheels)
2. Window nets must cover the opening for the driver and navigators windows.
3. If you don’t have a front window full face helmets must be worn.
SEATING
1. The maximum time for the driver/passenger to get out of the vehicle should not exceed 5 seconds.
2. Safety belts must be worn at all times during competition whilst the vehicle is in motion. The minimum requirement is a four point full harness, with four anchor points on the chassis/body shell or rollover bar of the vehicle on either side and to the rear of the seat.
3. The Navigators seat must comply to the above rule
WHEELS AND TYRES
1. The use of tyre chains is prohibited.
2. Minimum tyre size 35” diameter. Maximum tyre 48”
3. A spare wheel is not a mandatory requirement but, if carried, must be securely fastened.
ROLL OVER PROTECTION
1. No vehicle will be allowed to compete without some form of rollover cage. A manufacturer’s correctly fitted hardtop or Truck-cab shall be deemed insufficient. The impact load must transfer to the chassis. All cages must be braced to prevent crushing.
2. All drivers and navigators must wear crash helmets. Bicycle helmets for the navigators is ok. The drivers must have a helmet that covers the ears

Detailed Track Rules
Passing
1. The car that is in front has 30seconds to pull over and let the car behind pass.
2. The car behind must honk the horn or blow a whistle twice to notify the front car of the intention to pass.
3. Should the car in front not allow the car behind to pass. The rear car is to notify the marshal on channel 14 and notify them of the situation.
4. There is no overtaking in the speed limit sections unless the car is going 5km/ph below the limit.
Winching Passing
1. If a car is more than half way up the climb the car behind must wait for the car to finish winching the hill.
2. The car that is less than half way up the hill, has been caught during the winching must stop the winch. The car is to release the load. Once the load is released:-
1. The car that has caught up can then free spool the winch and begin winching.
2. Both navigators must be clear of the winch ropes.
3. Once the car is free and driving the car that was caught can begin winching.
3. If a car is passed on a winch hill it doesn’t have the right to pass the car in front until the next mapped section.
Rock Passing
1. There are multiple lines and you can pass as you see fit.
2. If there is a car winching, the winching car must stop and reduce the loaded cable for the other car to pass.
3. If there is a broken down car the chicken track can be used to get around the car.
Road Building
1. You can do whatever you want to build the road up. All material used to build the road up doesn’t have to be removed unless the Navi wants’ to.
Refuelling
1. There are 2 fuel spots as marked on the maps.
2. There will be 2x9kg extinguishers and a fire blanket at each refuelling spot.
3. The Navi or driver is to have one in their hand and stand 2m away while the other one fills the car.
4. No one is allowed in the car when refuelling.
5. The steps to fuelling the car is as follows:
1. The person pouring the fuel into the car, is to hold the jerry can and touch the metal on the car.
2. Undo the petrol cap.
3. Pour the petrol in.
4. Place the jerry can back in the waiting spot.
5. Put the cap back on the petrol tank.
6. If there is a petrol spill the liquid is to be washed away.
7. Teams are to have the following at the refuelling depot:-
1. Jerry cans with the type of fuel labelled with the driver name and competitor number. (These can be refilled during the race should a friend do a BP run. Must give friend name prior to start or they will not be allowed to remove the jerry can)
2. Fuel additives must be boxed and labelled
3. No NOS refills allowed.
4. LPG must fill up in a different area to the unleaded.
Track Time Register
1. There will be 3 track time marshalling registers. These will be marked on the track map
2. The drive/navigator will sign the card when available.
3. The 1st 8 hours will be the start finish register sign only.
4. The last two hours will see the track time register marshals at the other 2 stations requiring the drive/navi to sign and time mark.
5. In the event of 2 or more vehicles having completed the same amount of laps and are at the same track section area will be at the completion of the 10 hours. A final half lap drive off will happen.
6. Steps for signing the time card
1. On the completion of the lap. The driver will get out of the car and go to the time signing board.
2. There will be a clock with the time and the hours and the minutes will need to be entered.
3. Once the driver has signed the time card the marshal will verify the details.
Pit Stops / Finished Lap
1. Pit stops are unlimited.
2. If you fix the car you can keep on going
3. You will have a sectioned area for your parts and tools. This is not a secure area and the event organisers and the park owners will not be held liable for any loses.
4. You can borrow from fellow competitors with their permission. The borrowed parts must be logged on the marshalled parts list and names and signatures must be given. This will prevent any accusations at the end of the day.
5. At the end of each lap there is a mandatory 15min break. Time keeping steps.
1. There will be 10 or more stop watches on a board.
2. The Driver is to get out of the car and start the stop watch.
3. Once the watch reaches 15mins the drive will hand the watch to the Time marshal.
4. The Time marshal will sign the driver’s time card and the drive can then start their next lap.
5. If the driver forgets to start the stop watch they must start it from the time they remember to start the watch. The Marshal will not let anyone continue unless there is 15mins on the stop watch.
6. If there is a failure in the stop watch you must notify the Marshal immediately so he can continue the timing on his watch. Don’t try and reset the clock or your time will start again.
Track Recovery
1. If your car needs to be recovered you must ensure the car is mechanically sound.
2. If the cage is severely damaged the car will not be allowed to continue. This will be determined by the head marshal.
3. There will be a marshal recovery car and that car can be called on channel 14. The wait maybe long as the order of recovery will be as requested by the competitors.
4. You must have a working winch.
5. If your winch breaks during a loop. You must fix it or replace it at the next pit stop.
Spectators
1. If you see a spectator in the wrong position you must slow down and report the person to a marshal.
2. There will be 4 spectator points. These areas are shown on the track map.
3. The spectators will be kept either 70m away from the flat section of the track or high on the ridge with the cars crawling up the rocks through the creek sections.
4. We are mindful people want to get close to the cars but this is not acceptable for the competitors and spectators safety.
5. The Navigators have the power to ask and direct a wandering spectator to the correct spectating area.
6. If there are any issues with spectators the competitors are to let the marshals know on channel 14
7. There are two areas where spectators cross the track. This is in a speed limit zone and is marked on the track map. This will be a 5km section and the navi has to walk in front of the car. Those without a navi. It’s a 1st gear crawl.
8. These crossing areas are in the open with at least 100m of view.
Track Management
1. The track map will detail the following:-
1. Each of the 8 sections of the track.
2. The track sections will be colour coded
3. There will be speed limit zones marked on the map
4. There will be Marshal channels.
2. The track signs will detail the following:-
1. Speed zones
2. Section markers
3. Route markers
4. Distance markers to finish/start line
Competitors driving on the track
1. Must have a rear light that works.
2. Those cars that intend to be slow must turn on the rear light in the speed sections
3. Must drive with the front lights on.
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Post by Suspension Stuff »

Build up thread of 10 pages with pics is here http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic195619.php
Pics of some of the course are on pages 6 and 7.
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Post by Suspension Stuff »

As you can see I am starting a list on who is entering.

1. Evan (Evinstaniland)
toyota bundera
4.0L toyota V8
80s diffs with longs and locked
custom 3 link + panhard front and rear
42" iroks
Build Up http://carl.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtopic.php?t=103429
Short Video www.energizedracing.com

2. Team: MOG
Driver: Geoff Thompson CCDA member
Co/Driver: Owen Griffis CCDA member
Pit Crew: Tire Bitch; BOOF Plus Hyper active COL and Supa MATT
Experience: Tuff Truck 2009 and entered Tuff Truck 2010
Vehicle: Mercedes Unimog 404 Comp spec's
links to Vid

Tuff Mog 09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KDAtKT_poU

Mog http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDo7_nCDcPI

Mog Day Out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xaKWFQvBFw

3. Havoc Racing - Spiderman

4. 11Evil

5. Cut 4B
91 sierra ute ,lux diff , lockers , coilovers , 35s, we will be coming up from coffs harbour

6. Nairbo

7. Joshy

8. Nottie

9. Purplebus
truck specs: gq wagon purple of course
td42t man
front and rear lockers
gu diffs
5 link front
a-frame rear
cage and barwork
ramps...
will have crawler gears and a high mount and either 37s or 38s on the day.
have done the allterrain for 3yrs,except last year. did the Suspension Stuff challenge with evil-11

10. Brokenbits Racing
Driver: Milo Milanovic (rockcrawler31)
Navi: Luke McNicol (Angryelmo)
Landcruiser 75 series, 4.2 1HZ-T water/air intercooled
80s diffs locked both end
custom radius arm + panhard front and Tri 4 link rear.
37" Maxxis Creepies
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The rest are maybe until I get a pm with the details.

Micka
Simcoz
Got Mud
1<Hilux-4x4!>
80LSYGQ
Pootrollin
Twitchin
Booflux
joshy
ruff
Strange Rover
Purplebus
redzook
dave
High Roller
1Mad Engineer
Mosk111
Rhett
Mud Guts
tuf045
Brooksy (Doesn't look like it)
Firetruck
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Post by STIKA »

New undies .... new event name.
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Post by Suspension Stuff »

STIKA wrote:New undies .... new event name.
Put up or Shut up :finger: :finger: :finger: Seriously, we were never happy with the previous name but we had to change it from King of the Rim because of the dirty minds of some.

So don't you have a suitable rig or don't you think it would be a good comp to enter?
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Post by BEEPJEEP »

Hey, just wondering, how would spectators(if thats how you spell it) get around the big day big track?? perhaps a "SHUTTLE BUS" LOL
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Post by harrisbm »

Can we please keep the crap talk off this thread as we are looking at an event that requires serious input. A lot of money is being invested and we want the serious comments from those that will be competing.
We have some interest from the USA in supporting the event, and believe it this forum is viewed over there. As the USA companies interest was sparked due to the previous thread.

There are guys with 100k plus rigs that don't get to drive that much in AUS so how about we all support the event and all it's teething issues so we can enjoy seeing these guys drive.

There will be no more comments on the level of the tracks as all real competitors will see first hand when inspecting the track how hard the track is and the lines they will need to take. Those interstate competitors with questions please email.

A promo DVD and flyers of the event will be launched at the upcoming 4x4 show in Brisbane as we agreed to take a stand at tonights business meeting. We're going to build an indoor RC rock crawling track at our stand for the public to come and have a drive of the RC cars. This 4x4 show will see around 30-35k people attend.
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Post by BEEPJEEP »

BEEPJEEP wrote:Hey, just wondering, how would spectators(if thats how you spell it) get around the big day big track?? perhaps a "SHUTTLE BUS" LOL
Opps wrong thread too many thread!! try the other
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Post by HeathGQ »

This thread is very confusing guys. Perhaps sort out a flyer and have the rules downloadable from a link from those that are interested?
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Post by guchev »

BEEPJEEP wrote:Hey, just wondering, how would spectators(if thats how you spell it) get around the big day big track?? perhaps a "SHUTTLE BUS" LOL
harrisbm "Can we please keep the crap talk off this thread as we are looking at an event that requires serious input."

It may have some humour in the comment but it is a serious question....or perhaps you don't want it to be "spectator friendly?" After all it is only by attracting spectators that you'll make the comp seem worthwhile for sponsors
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Post by napsta »

A few comments:

Buggy guys won't run windscreens - you need to account for this. Yes it hurts getting hit by rocks, but shit happens.

Have the lights be on ALL the time. In most rules it is illegal for there to be a switch in the curcuit.

Fire is going to be a big issue. Most of these cars will not have run for a prolonged time at high temps.

Most don't have a seperate parking brake. I presume the park function on an auto box will suffice.

At speed I would think a 5 point harness is more appropriate.

the 15 minute break is soft imo.

I have just spent the last few days trawling through the KOH rules to ensure my buggy is legal, so if you need more advice get in contact. Obviously you are just starting out and the rules will evolve, but that's just my input.

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Post by Suspension Stuff »

From Brenden not Shane
If you don't have a windscreen you have to have a full face helmet.
The lights will be included
The fire is being done as a risk assessment. We'll be working a way out to manage this.
The 15 mins is soft but an insurance requirement.
The auto park brake is fine as my cars handbrake works but doesn't if you know what i'm saying.

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Post by BEEPJEEP »

harrisbm wrote:Can we please keep the crap talk off this thread as we are looking at an event that requires serious input. A lot of money is being invested and we want the serious comments from those that will be competing.
We have some interest from the USA in supporting the event, and believe it this forum is viewed over there. As the USA companies interest was sparked due to the previous thread.

There are guys with 100k plus rigs that don't get to drive that much in AUS so how about we all support the event and all it's teething issues so we can enjoy seeing these guys drive.

There will be no more comments on the level of the tracks as all real competitors will see first hand when inspecting the track how hard the track is and the lines they will need to take. Those interstate competitors with questions please email.

A promo DVD and flyers of the event will be launched at the upcoming 4x4 show in Brisbane as we agreed to take a stand at tonights business meeting. We're going to build an indoor RC rock crawling track at our stand for the public to come and have a drive of the RC cars. This 4x4 show will see around 30-35k people attend.
Not sure who this is meant for?? as i post same time 9.49pm. And yes i'm serious as a competitor and i also have heaps of family coming down too!!!!! maybe if its too far to walk around the events incase we cant drive our cars around cause there'll be too many spectator's cars then i'm not sure what to do. Not worried about rules or tracks it will be what it will be. I have also asked in the other thread but not sure if i'll get a reply. Have nothing else to say but good luck brendon its a big effort.
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Post by Suspension Stuff »

You can watch the action by walking about 100 metres.

to go to the other viewing area we will probably use a 4WD as a shuttle bus to take elderly people or people who are too lazy to walk. There will be a small fee.

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Post by HeathGQ »

Sorry to Shane and Brent, but this thread is not necessary. Same talk, same shit, as the other one.

Amended the title to include a date, and all comments to there.
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