new comp 4x4 masters

[CV Smasher]

first roll over at the masters site

Hahahahahah first casuality on the Kamikaze Track!

[Tiny]

Hahahahahah first casuality on the Kamikaze Track!

lol, yeah even rolled twice

[4x4 Masters]

One month to and lots to do, but we are getting there

[80's_delirious]

first roll over at the masters site

needs some mini mogs??

[Tiny]

first roll over at the masters site

needs some mini mogs??

lol, I think maybe some spacers would help though

[unr33l]

I know a lot of cars dont have this... i only got mine done last year..
something to think about..

A battery mechanical isolation switch for the battery that provides power to the engine, ignition and fuel pump shall be securely mounted within easy reach of each member of the Crew and this switch may isolate the negative terminal.

do we need this to compete ? my car continues to run after the battery is disconnected ... and its a petrol.

[thunder]

Its in the rules that i read when they came out..
mine is located on the tray head board but some mates have it on there bullbar..

[teambullet]

Mate, mines a petrol too..... Isolator still kills the motor....
Denny

[3.8BUNDY]

Its in the rules that i read when they came out..
mine is located on the tray head board but some mates have it on there bullbar..

I thought the rule said it had to be where both driver and navi can get to it.
I also thought it's to stop anything sparking if your on a weird angle with fluids pouring out, not just to stop the motor.

[Tiny]

the rules as foun in the suplementry regs on the website state

A battery mechanical isolation switch for the battery that provides power to the engine, ignition and fuel pump shall be securely mounted within easy reach of each member of the Crew and this switch may isolate the negative terminal

This means the isolator must be able to be activated by both members of the crew while in a normal seated position in the vehicle. The isolator should kill power to the engine as well as all electrics as whle the engine is running the alternator is still supplying power and fule etc is still being pumped.

On a petrol engine that does not shif off when the negative terminal is isolated then you can break into the coil pack circuit, in the cas of a deisel engine then you can break into the fuel cut off solonoid

For any further clarification please PM Wayne (16em) or email via the website

[4x4 Masters]

We have raised this issue with the CCDA and are waiting a reply
The likely outcome would be that the isolator does both, electrically isolates the vehicle and kills the engine.

--Wayne

[purplepig]

on my car it is a manual fuel shut of it doesnt matter wat you do with the electrics it wont shut the engine off

[on4tou]

We have raised this issue with the CCDA and are waiting a reply
The likely outcome would be that the isolator does both, electrically isolates the vehicle and kills the engine.

in short it MUST KILL all the electrical and the engine

4.1.13 ATTERIES
Batteries are free. Fitting and location of additional batteries is free.
All batteries shall be securely fastened and if they are in the cabin they shall be secured in an enclosure and vented to the outside of the vehicle unless the battery is a sealed unit.
Mechanical battery isolation switches shall be fitted to 12v systems thus terminating the running of the engine and all battery power throughout the vehicle when activated in Production, Challenge and Open Class vehicles.
Mechanical battery isolation switches shall be fitted to 24v systems and must terminate all power when activated.
hope this helps

Steve
the VP

[Jcas24]

Can someone please clarity rules re: harnesses. I've read the rules 3.6.1 & 4.1.3, and being a group B event we don't need racing harnesses.

3.6.1
In Group B and Group C Events harnesses shall be properly fitted, correctly fastened and adjusted
during all Stages whilst the vehicle is in motion.

4.1.3
Vehicles competing in Group B Events shall be fitted with original vehicle seat belts that is not
frayed or damaged and all mountings shall be secure in accordance with the original vehicle
specifications.

Thanks

[on4tou]

Can someone please clarity rules re: harnesses. I've read the rules 3.6.1 & 4.1.3, and being a group B event we don't need racing harnesses.

this is the new rule up date on this you must have harnesses in a group B and C Events
WE are updating the web page as we speak
3.6.1 OCCUPANT PROTECTION
In Group A Events seat belts or harnesses shall be properly fitted, correctly fastened and adjusted during all Stages whilst the vehicle is in motion. No member of the Crew shall ride on the outside of a competing vehicle and no member of the Crew inside the competing vehicle shall have any limbs outside the vehicle whilst the vehicle is in motion.
In Group B and Group C Events harnesses shall be properly fitted, correctly fastened and adjusted during all Stages whilst the vehicle is in motion. No member of the Crew shall ride on the outside of a competing vehicle and no member of the Crew inside the competing vehicle shall have any limbs outside the vehicle whilst the vehicle is in motion.

on my car it is a manual fuel shut of it doesnt matter wat you do with the electrics it wont shut the engine off

unfortunatly your car wouldn't past scrutineering with this system
Steve

[Jcas24]

kk thanks mate

[MogLux]

Can someone please clarity rules re: harnesses. I've read the rules 3.6.1 & 4.1.3, and being a group B event we don't need racing harnesses.

this is the new rule up date on this you must have harnesses in a group B and C Events
WE are updating the web page as we speak
3.6.1 OCCUPANT PROTECTION
In Group A Events seat belts or harnesses shall be properly fitted, correctly fastened and adjusted during all Stages whilst the vehicle is in motion. No member of the Crew shall ride on the outside of a competing vehicle and no member of the Crew inside the competing vehicle shall have any limbs outside the vehicle whilst the vehicle is in motion.
In Group B and Group C Events harnesses shall be properly fitted, correctly fastened and adjusted during all Stages whilst the vehicle is in motion. No member of the Crew shall ride on the outside of a competing vehicle and no member of the Crew inside the competing vehicle shall have any limbs outside the vehicle whilst the vehicle is in motion.

on my car it is a manual fuel shut of it doesnt matter wat you do with the electrics it wont shut the engine off

unfortunatly your car wouldn't past scrutineering with this system
Steve

So is this event a Group A, B, C. Do all cars need harnesses to compete or not

[on4tou]

So is this event a Group A, B, C. Do all cars need harnesses to compete or not

this is from the first page
Competition format:
4x4Masters is a Group B Short Course event open to vehicles as specified in the event supplementary regulations.

All competitors and vehicles will be required to comply with CCDA Manual of Motorsport and 4x4Masters Event Supplementary Regulations.

These Supplementary Regulations shall augment Cross Country Driver’s Association Manual of Motorsport and all documents shall be read together
Steve

[GU Junkie]

If you are "updating the rules as we speak" this doesnt give drivers much time to apply a change they know nothing about when committing a team to this event.
For those that have vehicles without harnesses they now have 3 and a bit weeks which seems unreasonable.
Could this fit into the category of items that may gain an exemption until round 2 ?

Cheers
Shaun

[turbo gu]

If you are "updating the rules as we speak" this doesnt give drivers much time to apply a change they know nothing about when committing a team to this event.
For those that have vehicles without harnesses they now have 3 and a bit weeks which seems unreasonable.
Could this fit into the category of items that may gain an exemption until round 2 ?

Cheers
Shaun

Better get them engineered aswell as everything will need to be engineered at later events

[Pal]

I assume one harness only required for the driver as navi will be out of the vehicle at ALL times?

Is a 3 point harness sufficient?
.

[dazgq1]

i cant find an engineer to do ticket for 37 inch tyres on a gq i was told to do 35s will require a brake testing session at additional cost and will chew my tyres up doing the testing , also i was told recentley racing harnesses and roll cages are illegal in a registered vehicle, any info regarding these matters will be appreciated . The extra cost of harnesses and bucket seats is gunna keep a few of out of first round !

[thunder]

You dont need your tyres enginered.. i already asked the organisers when i was out there..

But harnesses.Can never be passed for on road use therefore for off road use only too.

And my kill switch will remain on the tray that can have access from my navie if i pass out. That is part of the reason it is outside the car. inside the car the driver has the key to shut it down..
imagine if a driver did knock himself out..
A bit hard to get thru the door and net.. easy to kill it from outside.

cheers steve

[jono4x4]

Vehicles competing in Group B Events shall be fitted with original vehicle seat belts that is not
frayed or damaged and all mountings shall be secure in accordance with the original vehicle
specifications.

This was copied from the ccda website manual of motorsport.

Correct if wrong

[MjWatt]

Jono, a few post up they said they are updating the website

this is the new rule up date on this you must have harnesses in a group B and C Events
WE are updating the web page as we speak

[jono4x4]

No problem

Thanks

[on4tou]

Just to clarify the seat belt / 4 point harness rule.

Class B events are required to have as a minimum a lap sash seat belt for competition as defined in Rule 4.1.3
"Vehicles competing in Group B Events shall be fitted with original vehicle seat belts that is not frayed or damaged and all mountings shall be secure in accordance with the original vehicle specifications.
Vehicles competing in Group C Events shall be fitted with four point racing harness for all occupants fitted in addition to the original vehicle seat belts with harness belting that is not frayed or damaged and all mountings shall be secure in accordance with the original vehicle specifications."
Rule defined in section 3.6.1 are misleading and will be amending accordingly
Sorry for any confusion caused
Steve

[4x4 Masters]

Thanks for clearing that up Steve

--Wayne

[Ginger Patrol]

Dear All

Reading many of the posts it appear there is a great deal of confusion over what is / is not required for this comp.

Post Discussion with the Masters management team I think it is better for you all to think of the comp as a single day Willowglen as far as vehicle requuirements and the type of diving / risk.
The CCDA and the Masters team will work to make this happen. As the Sanctioning body behind Willowglen and Tuff truck in NSW I am sure we can allow current best practice from Willowglen to be followed in this competition.

[t price]

If the 4x4 masters officials follow Pauls comments regarding Willowglen each competing car will need harnesses for driver and Nav. We only insist on a cage for soft Top or no top vehicles. They also have to cover the top of the cage (above the driver and nav) with either 2mm mild steel sheet or 3mm alluminium.
I believe that these should be the min requirements.

The Cage and Harness rule has always been in the CCDA rules.
I understand where the confusion has occured from the above posts but guys if you have a competing truck in any comp this day and age the min reqs should be a good cage, a good pair of harnesses, window nets and aus standard helmets.

Tony Price
Comp Manager Willowglen and Tuff Truck