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4TERRAIN vs. Daiken Safari

General Tech Talk

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Post by uzdnabuzd »

Jayz wrote:those 4 terrain clutches are over 700 in wa
where are you guys getting them for under 500
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Post by dogbreath_48 »

uzdnabuzd wrote:
Jayz wrote:those 4 terrain clutches are over 700 in wa
where are you guys getting them for under 500
ring repco mate
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Post by Yom »

the prices of the clutches seem to vary during the year.
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Post by bogged »

dogbreath_48 wrote:Thought you'd already decided :D

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146 ... highlight=

Haven't done many k's on it (8000 maybe?) but i'm still very happy with it. Others who have driven the car have also been impressed.
HOw is it now??? Any feedback
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Post by shorty_f0rty »

bogged wrote:
dogbreath_48 wrote:Thought you'd already decided :D

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146 ... highlight=

Haven't done many k's on it (8000 maybe?) but i'm still very happy with it. Others who have driven the car have also been impressed.
HOw is it now??? Any feedback
if yer interested in my feedback i'm happy with the exedy hd clutch to date. no issues, slips, noises or anything.. done about 6000kms on it. have swapped it over to a new donk and its holding up.. and its hot pink! :P
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Post by bogged »

shorty_f0rty wrote:
bogged wrote:
dogbreath_48 wrote:Thought you'd already decided :D

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146 ... highlight=

Haven't done many k's on it (8000 maybe?) but i'm still very happy with it. Others who have driven the car have also been impressed.
HOw is it now??? Any feedback
if yer interested in my feedback i'm happy with the exedy hd clutch to date. no issues, slips, noises or anything.. done about 6000kms on it. have swapped it over to a new donk and its holding up.. and its hot pink! :P
mate needs a clutch, adn I want the box :D
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Post by Ruffy »

Still having trouble with inconsistant product with the 4 terrain. Some days you get one brand clutch plate, the next time you get a different one :?

We still fit Safari Tuff's, unless the customer has there heart set on 4 terrain.
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Post by bogged »

Ruffy wrote:Still having trouble with inconsistant product with the 4 terrain. Some days you get one brand clutch plate, the next time you get a different one :?

We still fit Safari Tuff's, unless the customer has there heart set on 4 terrain.
much cost difference in the 2??
whats your personal preference for something runnin 150kw ??
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Post by Ruffy »

bogged wrote:
Ruffy wrote:Still having trouble with inconsistant product with the 4 terrain. Some days you get one brand clutch plate, the next time you get a different one :?

We still fit Safari Tuff's, unless the customer has there heart set on 4 terrain.
much cost difference in the 2??
whats your personal preference for something runnin 150kw ??
Depending the model there might be $100 bucks diff with 4 terain being cheaper.
My opinion, i'd fit a Safari tuff.
Oh and the 4 terrain boxes are cheap shite as well :P
[quote="Uhhohh"]As far as an indecent proposal goes, I'd accept nothing less than $100,000 to tolerate buggery. Any less and it's just not worth the psychological trauma. [/quote]
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Post by dogbreath_48 »

bogged wrote:
dogbreath_48 wrote:Thought you'd already decided :D

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/ftopic146 ... highlight=

Haven't done many k's on it (8000 maybe?) but i'm still very happy with it. Others who have driven the car have also been impressed.
HOw is it now??? Any feedback
Honestly haven't done alot of k's with it in recent months, but still happy with it. Pedal is heavy.
My bro has one in his hilux, which is undergeared, and it really doesn't seem that special :?
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Post by LOCKEE »

Just put the 4 Terrain in my 4.2 EFI with Vacuum boostr.

Need to extend slave push rod to get it to fully disengage.

Good pedal but a pain to get 1st or reverse.
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Post by naif »

let me guess you pressed the new spigot bearing completely onto the the mounting bracket?

thats what i did, the old race i removed had a 5mm gap between the race and the flat on the bracket.
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Post by Ruffy »

naif wrote:let me guess you pressed the new spigot bearing completely onto the the mounting bracket?

thats what i did, the old race i removed had a 5mm gap between the race and the flat on the bracket.
You mean thrust bearing, And that fitment is dodgy!
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Post by naif »

Ruffy wrote:
naif wrote:let me guess you pressed the new spigot bearing completely onto the the mounting bracket?

thats what i did, the old race i removed had a 5mm gap between the race and the flat on the bracket.
You mean thrust bearing, And that fitment is dodgy!
well the clutch i removed was an exedy.
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Post by LOCKEE »

I didn't fit it, but if this spacing on the thrust bearing is out, have to change push rod length or remove the box again?

I have now heard from several people of this problem.

Make have a chat to the supplier.
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Post by LOCKEE »

Advice so far has been -
remove box shim bearing or change bearing
change to GU Master
lengthen pushrod in slave

will trial the pushrod first.
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Post by +dj_hansen+ »

LOCKEE wrote:Advice so far has been -
remove box shim bearing or change bearing
change to GU Master
lengthen pushrod in slave

will trial the pushrod first.
Friend had the same problem as you LOCKEE, he just put up with it and the clutch only lasted him a little while (<12 months), when it was pulled out there was a big wear mark on the fingers and they had started to bend. Mind you, it probably has more to do with his driving/maintenance style rather than the actual product, but something to think about for anyone else experiencing the problem when fitting HD clutches to GQ's.
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Post by toddo »

I recently had a bad experience with a 4terrain clutch in my Hilux with 2.8 and turbo on 32s. After 13 months and 20,000km of normal use with no towing, it started to play up. Warranty period is 12 months. So I took it to a shop to see if it was the clutch or otherwise. The pedal would not engage / disengage the gears, and turns out the metal had broken away outside one of the springs in the plate. The spring was loose in there and jamming things up. There was very little wear on the actual clutch.

I had asked this 4x4 shop, on the West side of Brisbane to ring me when they had it out to show me the problem, with the intention of getting 4terrain involved to see what could be done. However, without phoning me they put in a Safari and called me that afternoon to pick it up. So with no opportunity to supply a new one while it was out, 4terrain were not interested in doing anything further. They did send it to their engineering department in Melbourne, but after 3 months of following up they had 'lost' it.

In my experience, don't bother paying extra for a 4terrain as they are rubbish and their customer service from the state manager is polite but still leaves a lot to be desired. He did offer to look after me next time I needed a 4terrain clutch.... And as for that shop, they used to get my business.

Safari is going fine, and feels pretty similar in weight and take up.
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Post by PGS 4WD »

Often you will have to adjust the pushrod under the dash on the clutch due to a new clutch and different diaphram spring heights. Having used both over the years we have shifted towards the Safari, the main reason being the 4terrain tends to vacuumize after 20 000 kls or so making disengagement, getting into gear difficult. This can be remedied by drilling 6mm holes through each of the organic paddles, in the middle, as this allows air to flow under the clutch plate to the flywheel and disengage from both the pressure plate and flywheel.

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Post by beinthemud »

I use a 4terrain have considered a dakin
post what you paid for it so i can laugh my self to sleep tonight
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Post by tuffgu42 »

in my old hilux i had a tuff clutch and it was awesome, im going to put one in my gu, but i'm bias because my uncle used to own daikin.
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Post by Kitika »

In the 1hz 80 the 4terrain had 980ft/lbs of holding power which was abit higher than the safari when i was looking so that is why i needed up getting it. Still don't think that is enough tho but I only have the 11inch flywheel which is the problem.
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Post by dogbreath_48 »

Still very happy with my 4terrain - now running 37's, torquey turbo and 4.56 diffs it's performing faultlessly - probably around 80,000km on it. Copped a fair bit of offroad abuse and heavy towing too.
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