auto ZF box not working

Post by **Rangee** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:22 pm

Hi guys,
Got the Rangee in having the haltech set up and the guy calls me and says the gear box does not work, i have had the Stall converter lowered by 150 rpm and then carefully installed, he said he drove it into his work shop and then heard a metalic sound .. from underneath .. ( ohh sh@$T ) and now it is in neutral where ever you put the selector ...
it is a 87 4 speed auto ..
anyone got any ideas..
thanks
Ted
ps he is going to put a oil pressure meter on it to see if the oil pump in the transmission is working ... i hope the stall converter has not shit its self ..

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:53 pm

Common problem if not fitted by experienced personel is that the dog that drives the pump is not engaged properly, end result pump dies and so does all gears.

Hope not this

regards
Michael.

Post by **Rangee** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:12 pm

ar eht egears permanently damaged ... or is it because there is no oil pressure... where do i get the oil pumps from ?????? $$$$$$$
thanks now a very worried ... Ted

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:24 pm

put the pressure gauge on it se what you have.

If no pressure and everyone is sure that the oil level is correct then you have to rmove to check pump I believe.

Regards
Michael.

Post by **Rangee** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:40 pm

yep they removed the oil line that goes to the front cooler and truned the engine over .... no oil .... should have covered his work shop ..
so they have started the removal ... will this damage anything else if the pump is stuffed... like gears etc... i am sourcing a oil pump now .. just wanna know how much of my wine budget has to be diverted to the RR again ....
thanks for your help
cheers
Rangee

Post by **TuffRR** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:05 pm

Often it will result in little bits of metal broken off from the pump circulating around in the auto - not a good thing. Did you install the torque convertor or did someone else? If it was someone else I would be going straight back to them and a) getting them to replace the pump, and b) ripping open the auto to ensure that no bits of unwanted metal are floating around in there.

BTW - how far did the car drive before it farcked itself? My best record is about 5 metres!!!!! :armsup:

Post by **GRIMACE** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:57 pm

ow well I HATE ZF AUTOs mine was probably abit worse but Good luck with it, hope the installer sorts it all out for you.

Post by **Rangee** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:16 am

well i have to cop the blame for this one .. i installed it .. it went on easy and i felt it click over the 3 splines but it must have moved when i put the engine in ...
better find another grand or two to pay for it .. guess i will have to work on sunday ... dam it ..
thanks for your warmth and support in my time of need .. lol..

Post by **TuffRR** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:27 am

Don't feel bad - we installed my auto three times before we got it right. :oops:

Had the same problem as you did, thought it engaged three times but obviously didn't. Was really bizarre in that we drove it off the stands, drove it back on and then the next day it had no drive when we went to drive off again.

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:35 am

Been there done that to.

swapped in the auto, wife drives it around for 2 days, then I get a call it wont go anywhere.

Shagged the pump dogs, shagged the pump and the auto.
not happy.

Michael.

Post by **Rangee** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:53 pm

so what parts were damaged ? any memory of cost for the parts ?
thanks
Ted
the box should be out today

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:12 pm

clutches, pump,etc.

delivered to auto place.

they fixed it 3K later.

this after spending 1.5k buying the auto and all parts to install.

regards michael.

Post by **HSV Rangie** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:14 pm

And for that amount (4.5K) I could have installed a NV4500.
Damn, but its nice to drive now.
Michael.

Post by **GRIMACE** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:24 pm

The final cost for my auto reco was $2740 :cry:

but different circumstance to yours

Post by **TuffRR** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:24 pm

I took the gamble with mine and didn't get it overhauled. We removed bellhousing and pump and fished out all the broken bits. The bits we fished out looked to be about the same size as what broke off so just put a replacement pump in. I've probably done 5,000kms since then without any dramas at all.

Post by **Rangee** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 10:37 am

Ok so what do i do .... get it overhauled where it is at 2 K plus and have the Tc cleaned at who knows .. or take the bell housing off my self and fit a new pump as per the manual or get a second hand one for $700 what do you guys reckon is the best option......
and where would i get a oil pump from ?? anyone know ????
thanks
Ted

Post by **Rangee** » Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:09 pm

ok the update for those who want some amusement.

They said they drained the oil in the sump and there were fragments of metal on the magnet on the plug, this was when they first called me,
i pick it up today with the " Ted will Fix it " attitude, called a few tranny blokes and they said if the oil pump has shat its self there is no way the metal bits can get into the rest of the gear box ... so i drain the oil from the pan and found no filings on the magnet and no filings in the bottom of the pan... so tonight i take off the bell housing and oil pump and get a new one tomorrow ... i will take pics as i go ... for those who wanna see .
cheers
Ted

Post by **rangemann** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:55 am

hmmm....i'm very interested to see your progress ted.

i installed my own ZF, but it will be a while before it's ready to be driven anywhere.

frankly your little thread has left a very dark and empty feeling in the bottom of my stomach.

i was looking forward to my test run. :cry:

Ignorance is Bliss :lol:

Post by **Rangee** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:08 am

i know that feeling .. it has a metallic crunching sound to it ...
your question is ... " did i do it right " should i check it ???
or will you take the "she will be right mate" approach ????
that is the question ...

ok everyone on this thread .. what should he do .... check it or fix it later ..?????
pics are comming .. i have it all out and the oil oump has lost the two lugs and has a crack in the cog... i will see if i can order a new oil pump today .. there was not any filings in the sump .. dont think it had been run long enough to push it around .. there were a few bits in the pump its self ...
it seems that the oil is returned to the sump straight from the oil pump/ TC so the Gear box should be ok ... not going to get it stripped town. will show pics .. to those who email me .. dont know how to post them here.
cheers
Ted
AKA RANGEE

Post by **RaginRover** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 9:51 am

I emailed you about the pics, if you send them to me I will post them up

Regards
Tom

Post by **Rangee** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 10:26 am

sent the pics to you tom... just called to get a price of a new oil pump and backing plate ...
$ 665 for the backing plate
$ 239 for the pump...
think i might see if i can find a second hand one ...
will keep all posted

cheers
RANGEE

Post by **Rangee** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:11 am

A green RR same as mine just drove past my office .. dam it sounded good .... really annoys me ... AARRRRRR
ok feel better now
Rangee

Post by **RaginRover** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:30 am

I will post the pics shortly, looks like there is a pic posting issue atm.

Tom

Post by **RaginRover** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:26 pm

Photos

Post by **RaginRover** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:27 pm

Photos 2

Post by **RaginRover** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:28 pm

Last one

Post by **rangemann** » Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:34 pm

hey rangee,

how'd you go swapping in that new pump and backing?

got 4 weeks holiday from school, planning on spending some quality time with my rangie, hoping to get it to a stage where i can turn it over :lol:

that's not gonna happen

still, how'd you go?

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