Tuff Truck 2011 Rules

[Tuff Events]

rock crawling isnt dead just looks different throught different events, as TTC now looks like rock crawling when we first started it, the reason it died was varied but the fact that thier was not entry level class had a lot to do with it............................................................blah blah blah this ruling actually mirrors that of the old rock crawling rules

Adding again to that. "rock crawling is dead"

I'd like to think of it more like ready to come back from the dead.. as it will be back.

wouldnt you be better sinking your hard earned into rock racing?
seems like better entertainment to me.
didnt sam promote the eastern creek and grafton events heavily? and i hear the crowds were disapointing.

rock crawling events seem to only draw the dedicated few in australia. people just wont turn up to watch buggys drive slow.

but back to the TTC rules, the more like a factory vehicle that entrants have to be the better IMO. maybe a poll should be done at the event. ask the punter what they think. buggy or truck? queer steer or not?
see what the people paying to watch think?

more promotion will only help the cause. get it on the radio or TV. billboards and stuff.
alot of people still dont know the event exists, these are the people you need to reach to grow the event to the next level? shopping centre displays maybe?

but a top job having the cops there in 2010. the event ran alot smoother.

Thanks.... This year did run very smooth, I must say. A credit to all that were involved.

Factory like vehicles have plenty of other events to go to. "Tuff Truck" is just that, not tuff factory vehicle. Why would anybody change a proven concept.

You can't deny that TT has been getting bigger each year. 2009 was the biggest year so far based on spectator numbers. 2010 was not as large, ( & for a good reason ) but it was a much better atmosphere created by the restrictions & police presence. The crowd numbers that we lost were ones that we really didn't want there!
With that said, its still drawing great crowds based on its current competing vehicles. Sure some whinge that they want more full bodies trucks back, but to me that would be sending us back to 2001 & 2002 which only drew 2-2500 people. the numbers increased as the event evolved.

A lot is happening next year that will put TT & rock crawling on the map. Taking it to Sydney, Brisbane & Melbourne in 2011. Different format of course, but definitely great for the industry.

Quote: didn't Sam promote the eastern creek and Grafton events heavily? and i hear the crowds were disappointing. No he did not. Where did you hear that? & what do you consider heavily promoted?

Rock crawling has never been promoted like TT, hence why no body can say conclusively that it is not entertaining enough! I do agree that eastern creek was one of the more boring ones, but it was very infant at that time. So it was just a stepping stone to bigger things! Sadly the promoters decided that they needed to concentrate on the own businesses & families. Which I appreciate, it takes a huge effort & commitment to run events.

I personally have witnessed some incredible entertainment watching rock crawling. I guess we shall see what happens in the near future.

Be rest assured that TTC2011 will be yet again an improvement in many ways. I really think we will get 45-50 competitors, there will be more kids activities, more promotion & increasing sponsors. Can't wait.

[WICKED]

When will the 2011 Entrants Details be posted on the TTC Website?

[dave]

rock crawling isnt dead just looks different throught different events, as TTC now looks like rock crawling when we first started it, the reason it died was varied but the fact that thier was not entry level class had a lot to do with it............................................................blah blah blah this ruling actually mirrors that of the old rock crawling rules

Adding again to that. "rock crawling is dead"

I'd like to think of it more like ready to come back from the dead.. as it will be back.

Hurry up and make it official

[Tuff Events]

When will the 2011 Entrants Details be posted on the TTC Website?

Approx 1st week of September!

[zzzz]

Reverse penalties are great!
We used to have WErock and OZrock events where someone could win with just a couple less reverses for the whole weekend.
Or if someone used rear steer and you managed to drive the course without it you were one up and putting the pressure on!!

Made you really start to think about creative ways to drive things.

[DUDELUX]

I know that Willowglen and Toperi arent anywhere near near the extreme level that TTC is.
Dont get me wrong, I love going and watching Tuff Truck, some of the stuff being built is awesome, and to watch these things drive the stuff that they do drive is amazing to say the least.

I also know that A1s Vitara is not a big dollar rig, and yet it won. I saw it at the DVD launch at Jamies shop. My 3yr old daughter really liked it too.
And alot of the rigs are being built at home, by the owners and drivers/navis, and repairs are done by the same people and their friends and family.

Im just saying that alot of people like to see something competing that they can relate to, which is why things like the Fridge was so popular with fans.

I just dont want to see an event as important to our sport/hobby as Tuff Truck turn into a dollar sport like certain forms of circuit racing.

Tony P and co have done alot in this world of 4x4, and Im sure they will continue to raise the bar, no matter where it is. And Pete will no doubt keep the bar going higher.

Im sorry if my rant of a post came out anti Tuff Truck, because its not.

Second rant post over and out.


Keep up the good work everyone.

[Tuff Events]

I know that Willowglen and Toperi arent anywhere near near the extreme level that TTC is.
Dont get me wrong, I love going and watching Tuff Truck, some of the stuff being built is awesome, and to watch these things drive the stuff that they do drive is amazing to say the least.

I also know that A1s Vitara is not a big dollar rig, and yet it won. I saw it at the DVD launch at Jamies shop. My 3yr old daughter really liked it too.
And alot of the rigs are being built at home, by the owners and drivers/navis, and repairs are done by the same people and their friends and family.

Im just saying that alot of people like to see something competing that they can relate to, which is why things like the Fridge was so popular with fans.

I just dont want to see an event as important to our sport/hobby as Tuff Truck turn into a dollar sport like certain forms of circuit racing.

Tony P and co have done alot in this world of 4x4, and Im sure they will continue to raise the bar, no matter where it is. And Pete will no doubt keep the bar going higher.

Im sorry if my rant of a post came out anti Tuff Truck, because its not.

Second rant post over and out.


Keep up the good work everyone.

Not a rant at all mate... all good.

There are only a few guys in the sport that get their trucks built by shops. Your right most do build them at home. Including me.
I built my latest 40 series at home, in my shed with minimal equipment just like most of you guys. the most fancy tool I have is a plasma cutter which I barely use.

I reckon the rules are getting close to be on the money to make the scoring much closer which will create an upset in results more often than not.

Sure A1's Vit looking at it now can be built for a lower budget, ( if built at home ) but like many others its taken him approx 5 years of building to get it to that point, so really not so budget if you add up the 5 years of expense.
Same as many guys in the field. same as my old 40 series, from 1999-2006, 5-10k per year is not a lot for a sport that you love. spending it all in one go is the best way, but definitely more difficult to get your partners/wife's to agree to.

There are many trucks in the field that I'm sure would blow your mind as to what has been spent, & not necessarily competitive at all.

I encourage any new guys to come on board with what you have & just have a go & enjoy the experience, excitement & fulfillment that Tuff Truck will bring you.

[MogLux]

There are only a few guys in the sport that get their trucks built by shops. Your right most do build them at home. Including me.
I built my latest 40 series at home, in my shed with minimal equipment just like most of you guys. the most fancy tool I have is a plasma cutter which I barely use.

I reckon the rules are getting close to be on the money to make the scoring much closer which will create an upset in results more often than not.

Sure A1's Vit looking at it now can be built for a lower budget, ( if built at home ) but like many others its taken him approx 5 years of building to get it to that point, so really not so budget if you add up the 5 years of expense.
Same as many guys in the field. same as my old 40 series, from 1999-2006, 5-10k per year is not a lot for a sport that you love. spending it all in one go is the best way, but definitely more difficult to get your partners/wife's to agree to.

There are many trucks in the field that I'm sure would blow your mind as to what has been spent, & not necessarily competitive at all.

I encourage any new guys to come on board with what you have & just have a go & enjoy the experience, excitement & fulfillment that Tuff Truck will bring you.

Pete is totally correct. I know the dollars i spent on my old rig over 5yreas and it was classed as a low budget rig and wasnt competitive.... fark but we do it for the love of the sport. And we will continue to

[3.8BUNDY]

I encourage any new guys to come on board with what you have & just have a go & enjoy the experience, excitement & fulfillment that Tuff Truck will bring you.

We did and are now looking at our 4th Tuff Truck.
Just on the Nissan Trials and Willowglen, I found that although the TT tracks are much harder the pressure on the driver is much less as you have the whole course to yourself for the allotted time rather than the 3 second count out if you lose momentum.

[CV Smasher]

I know that Willowglen and Toperi arent anywhere near near the extreme level that TTC is.
Dont get me wrong, I love going and watching Tuff Truck, some of the stuff being built is awesome, and to watch these things drive the stuff that they do drive is amazing to say the least.

I also know that A1s Vitara is not a big dollar rig, and yet it won. I saw it at the DVD launch at Jamies shop. My 3yr old daughter really liked it too.
And alot of the rigs are being built at home, by the owners and drivers/navis, and repairs are done by the same people and their friends and family.

Im just saying that alot of people like to see something competing that they can relate to, which is why things like the Fridge was so popular with fans.

I just dont want to see an event as important to our sport/hobby as Tuff Truck turn into a dollar sport like certain forms of circuit racing.

Tony P and co have done alot in this world of 4x4, and Im sure they will continue to raise the bar, no matter where it is. And Pete will no doubt keep the bar going higher.

Im sorry if my rant of a post came out anti Tuff Truck, because its not.

Second rant post over and out.


Keep up the good work everyone.

Not a rant at all mate... all good.

There are only a few guys in the sport that get their trucks built by shops. Your right most do build them at home. Including me.
I built my latest 40 series at home, in my shed with minimal equipment just like most of you guys. the most fancy tool I have is a plasma cutter which I barely use.

I reckon the rules are getting close to be on the money to make the scoring much closer which will create an upset in results more often than not.

Sure A1's Vit looking at it now can be built for a lower budget, ( if built at home ) but like many others its taken him approx 5 years of building to get it to that point, so really not so budget if you add up the 5 years of expense.
Same as many guys in the field. same as my old 40 series, from 1999-2006, 5-10k per year is not a lot for a sport that you love. spending it all in one go is the best way, but definitely more difficult to get your partners/wife's to agree to.

There are many trucks in the field that I'm sure would blow your mind as to what has been spent, & not necessarily competitive at all.

I encourage any new guys to come on board with what you have & just have a go & enjoy the experience, excitement & fulfillment that Tuff Truck will bring you.

So true Pete. In a perfect world we would all have the money up front and be able to buy the best parts for our trucks and not spend thousands upgrading each year. I have had my truck for around 12 years and would hate to add up what i have spent repairing sutff i have broken or upgraded in that time but i have learned many valuable lessons along the way.

My truck is fairly basic and i ended up in the top 10 my first year and top 15 this year (probably would have been in the top 10 again if my truck didnt self destruct but thats all part of the fun) , you just have to aim for the best result you can and smart driving will get you a lot further that dumb driving with all the gear

Once you compete in Tuff Truck you will find it very difficult to not continue year after year no matter where you place, it is one of the best experiences as a driver or navigator you will have in this sport.

Bring on TT2011 no matter what the rules we will be there

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

Pete i was under the impression that the grafton event was advertised on TV or atleast radio.
but thats all in the past.


Bring on TTC2011.
i love a good old reverse so i am going to have to start practicing reversing less and getting more value out of each time i do reverse.

[WICKED]

Bring on TTC2011.
i love a good old reverse so i am going to have to start practicing reversing less and getting more value out of each time i do reverse.

You going to try the same with the forward gears too Twon?

[MogLux]

Bring on TTC2011.
i love a good old reverse so i am going to have to start practicing reversing less and getting more value out of each time i do reverse.

You going to try the same with the forward gears too Twon?

Ben i was just about to say with the size of TWON BUS he needs to be good friends with reverse....

[WICKED]

Bring on TTC2011.
i love a good old reverse so i am going to have to start practicing reversing less and getting more value out of each time i do reverse.

You going to try the same with the forward gears too Twon?

Ben i was just about to say with the size of TWON BUS he needs to be good friends with reverse....

He probly is. Shame the rest of the bus doesn't like him!

[t price]

Maybe we should have a forward penalty for TWON as he seems to be going backwards more than forwards.

IMO If it was red it would possibly go further

[ferog]

Well we will be going to the 11 event as spectators seeing as the last one was an improvement.

In regards to people spending big $$$ on rigs vs the home built budget wagon, I think it's both of these qualities that make an event like TT worthwhile watching. Without competitive engineering increasing each year it would get stagnant. Variety is the spice of life!

As a spectator I personally like watching rear steer, it's something I don't have and it's awesome to see it used well, it doesn't guarantee an advantage unless you are a good with it.

Tuff Truck- You can go out any weekend and see commonly modified cars taking on a bush track, when it comes to this event I would expect to see much more than that, I'd pay for it!!!

and.... Bring back the buggies!! (Rock racing would be awesome!)

[Tuff Events]

Pete i was under the impression that the grafton event was advertised on TV or atleast radio.
but thats all in the past.

Yes it was, possibly on both. but believe me. If you want radio or tv to have an impact on any event, its 25k + minimum, or its a waste of time. 5k just doesn't cut the mustard.

But you know, it was a huge learning curve for the guys involved. you can't just throw $$ around willy nilly... I'm certain that if they gave it another go, they would take a different approach..

[ROB ZUK]

Tuff Truck- You can go out any weekend and see commonly modified cars taking on a bush track, when it comes to this event I would expect to see much more than that, I'd pay for it!!!

and.... Bring back the buggies!! (Rock racing would be awesome!) [/quote]

NO BUGGIES!!

[Tuff Events]

Tuff Truck- You can go out any weekend and see commonly modified cars taking on a bush track, when it comes to this event I would expect to see much more than that, I'd pay for it!!!

and.... Bring back the buggies!! (Rock racing would be awesome!)

NO BUGGIES!! [/quote]



Buggies that were referred to are rock crawling events, that will be back in 2011 in events other than Tuff Truck.
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[Turbo Tonka]

ive been to tuff truck for about 6 years now as a spectator and love what trucks come out each year.new builds that blow you away etc.the builds like rhetts and dans are what get my attention but everyone is different so its good to see a large nuber of style of vehicles
and it was a shame that the buggies died,was some of the best four wheel driving id ever seen at the we rock finals at milbrodale and even the grafton stadium round. i made a fairly big drive for them both and would do it again any day.Watching pete drive the 80 degree climb up the container was awesome along with timmys little zuk buggy nose wheelying twice

bring back a few buggy comps and classes or make tuff truck like the good old days,zuks on 31s and 33s and i might have a go
if 2010 is anything to go buy it will be a sweet comp for years to come yet,good job pete and all involved

[alexcliffo]

When will the 2011 Entrants Details be posted on the TTC Website?

Approx 1st week of September!

BUMP.

Hey Pete, any update on this?? Been checking the website every 5 seconds for the last 2 weeks

[DIRTY ROCK STAR]

ive been keeping an eye on there also.

but it is interesting to see the complete list of entrants and scores when you click on 2011 entrants.
also interesting to see how many people have withdrawn over the years... theres shiat loads!!!

[MogLux]

ive been keeping an eye on there also.

but it is interesting to see the complete list of entrants and scores when you click on 2011 entrants.
also interesting to see how many people have withdrawn over the years... theres shiat loads!!!

Twon
that isnt even the full correct list, there is many cometitors missing over the yrs also....eg. i have competed in TTc 2007,2008,2010 but my car is only there twice... they said this yr Murphy had compete a record number of times ??? his not up there as many as they have said.......but yes a lot have withdrawn over the yrs.
Cant wait to see this yrs list there will be a few newbies on it

[mmaaxx]

Pete if you're going to bring Crawling back, make sure there is something in Vic PLEASE

Down here if you not Winching through a 5' deep bog hole ya not driving apparantly

On the TT event last year, it was an awsome event, and there will be more Mexicans comming up next year for a look

X2 For sure!!!

exactly what he said!

Theres not enough "Queensland Style" comps down here for us Mexican to drool over and maybe event enter. God knows we have the terrain for it, but no one is organising anything other than Winch Comps!

[mmaaxx]

Tuff Truck- You can go out any weekend and see commonly modified cars taking on a bush track, when it comes to this event I would expect to see much more than that, I'd pay for it!!!

and.... Bring back the buggies!! (Rock racing would be awesome!)

NO BUGGIES!!

Buggies that were referred to are rock crawling events, that will be back in 2011 in events other than Tuff Truck.
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sorry if its abit off topic ( i idnt know where else to include the following and didnt want to start amnother thread on it), but I think RockRacing would be absolutely awesome, similar to the KOH type of events in Australia.

The other "entry level" format to this that does very very well in the US is Formula Toy, where they use a 79 - 89 Hilux chassis and drivetrain, leave suspension etc and then fit a simple standardised tube buggy frame ontop....there are regulations you must adhere to of course to keep the formula on parity and cost effective, non of the fancy stuff like hydrosteer and coil over, all simple and somewhat cheap. Heres an example of one -




They run their own series during the year and some also enter in the KOH races.

God knows there a shitload of live axled hilux chassis sitting around at wreckers in Australia with busted up bodies on top that would make great donors for this.

[Turbo Tonka]

have always thought that f toys in AUS would be a GREAT,FUN and friendly style of competition.Weld some diffs,buy some tube,trash a hilux and your in

[stitch_all4x4]

To add to Hazards post above...
EVERYONE loved the Big White Fridge!!
Because its a full bodied vehicle that looks very similar to when it came from the factory. Apart from the big tyres, the big lift and all that barwork.

Im a big fan of the smaller rigs, anything that looks very similar to what can be driven on the road.
Take Team Salt and Pepper, for an example, its still driven on road and regoed. I saw it a couple of weeks ago in Edgeworth. Ive followed it through East Gosford.
I like watching real vehicles having a go.
Yes i do like the big dollar rigs too, but when you have a big budget to build a comprig, you get a big dollar rig.
I really like Tuff Truck as a comp, but if everyone was building big dollar rigs, ie; truggy style, it runs the risk of being a big dollar form of motorsport like the V8taxis. Therefore having no room for the guy that builds a lower budget truck.

Bring on the real 4Bs.
This is only my opinion.

PS I think that Willowglen and Toperi are great comps, and I will never miss them. And they have good crowds there each year.

I agree strongly with DUDELUX full bodied rigs IMO are favourable, seeing vehicles that are road registered still run at TTC is great too see its a shame they are dying out, dont get me wrong i still have major respect for the guy's that run truggy type vehicles that big dollars and sponsorship can build. but its the underdog that appeals to me stronger. Id love too see more full bodied rigs run at TTC. Bring back TTC 01!