TURBO VS BLOWER

Post by cj » Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:25 pm

How about a blower for a 16v Vit?

Post by **Pinball** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 4:33 pm

I'll back CJ...
super on a 1600 carb... love it

gimme super over turbo, hate that kick on rocks...

Post by **greg** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:20 pm

Just wondering - wouldn't a turbo / supercharger kit on a 1300 and 1600 be pretty similar?

I seem to recall that the air inlets are pretty much compatable, and a set of exhaust extractors will fit either engine so doesn't that make them pretty similar?

Post by **Guy** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:23 pm

greg wrote:Just wondering - wouldn't a turbo / supercharger kit on a 1300 and 1600 be pretty similar?

I seem to recall that the air inlets are pretty much compatable, and a set of exhaust extractors will fit either engine so doesn't that make them pretty similar?

Similar ... I have a 1300 head on my 1600 block ...

Post by **greg** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:28 pm

love_mud wrote:Similar ... I have a 1300 head on my 1600 block ...

That sounds almost similar to confirmation there yug

Post by **Guy** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:43 pm

But there are some subtle differences, none I can think of should make a lick of difference though ...

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 5:56 pm

The blower is on have to muck around with pulley sizes we ended up with 7psi at idle :shock:

Hopefully will have is sorted for the Easter challenge.
SAM

Post by **redzook** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:15 pm

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:The blower is on have to muck around with pulley sizes we ended up with 7psi at idle

Hopefully will have is sorted for the Easter challenge.
SAM

wtf is this easter challange?

Post by **CHOPZUKI** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:35 pm

redzook wrote:
OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:The blower is on have to muck around with pulley sizes we ended up with 7psi at idle

Hopefully will have is sorted for the Easter challenge.
SAM

wtf is this easter challange?

yaeh what he said

Post by **Beastmavster** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 6:58 pm

kiwilux wrote:We run a Supercharged Rover V8 (3.5L) over the ditch (NZ),

Simple, Reliable, cheap, and HEAPS of power from down low

Supercharger: Toyota 4AGZE, a dime a dozen (cheap), overdriven to hell (1.5) (bigger cubic inches of the rover, 3.5L compared to 1.6L MR2)
Fuel: Dedicated LPG, second hand mixer equipment (cheap)
Throttle body: Japanese, Nissan, almost free from most wrekers (cheap)
Some bracketry required depending on mounting and pulleys
Some home made plumbing and your up and running.

The benefits of running LPG thru the blower (which gets hot from compressing the O2) is it cools the blower.

Note !! Pays to have a "blowoff"valve (homemade) inline to prevent "bad things" happening in the event of a backfire or overboosting.

Hope this helps...........

Id rather be blown than injected any day !!!
Mike

Isn't there major backdraft issues with LPG going through a turbo or supercharger? If stoichometric ratios are correct LPG can selfignite - not good.....

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 7:18 pm

yld04b wrote:
redzook wrote:
OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:The blower is on have to muck around with pulley sizes we ended up with 7psi at idle

Hopefully will have is sorted for the Easter challenge.
SAM

wtf is this easter challange?

yaeh what he said

If you two weren't such tightarses and rang every now and then then you would know. :finger:

Its at the same placeas WOODPECKER and is on this weekend.
SAM

Post by **qten** » Tue Apr 06, 2004 8:11 pm

greg wrote:
Barathrum wrote:
efi and supercharger for less than a vit swap would be a very nice kit, i reckon i'd be keen for a bit of that action

me too

I was thinking the same thing... And i guess that the vitara swap is what this product would need to beat - either in power, or in price.

me toooo

Post by **johnboy** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:43 pm

Sam,
whats wrong with 7psi at idle should be good for about 15psi when underway. if it detonates put it on gas. A mate of mine plays with old escorts and his latest creation is a 2L running an mr2 blower geared about 3:1. Its so much load it wont idle below 2000rpm. so he just turns it on when he's moving. scared the shit outa me the first time doin about 70kph in third at about 3000rpm he hit the "GO" button and we laid about $150 worth of rubber on the road and ended up going the other way.
The other option would be blown and turboed but i guess then something will go bang down the driveline????

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:06 pm

Took it out for a run on Saturday Night with Dave, Tim, and Tom.
The blower was awsum gave me heaps more torque right of idle. could come up to obstacles at a slower speed and know that I could just stab the throttle and it would go. Even in the mud it was heaps better.
SAM

Post by **redzook** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:13 pm

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:Took it out for a run on Saturday Night with Dave, Tim, and Tom.
The blower was awsum gave me heaps more torque right of idle. could come up to obstacles at a slower speed and know that I could just stab the throttle and it would go. Even in the mud it was heaps better.
SAM

yeh u left me for dead goin up some of the hills between obsticals!!! and i have lower gearing :shock:

definatly pulls well now

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:23 pm

yeh u left me for dead goin up some of the hills between obsticals!!! and i have lower gearing :shock:

Even Tom's Rangie couldn't keep up.

Post by **redzook** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:25 pm

nice quotes :finger:

Post by **CHOPZUKI** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 9:48 pm

definetly rips hard off idle, fastest zook ive been in , it
picks up real quick on uphills. for that boost pressure it is very impressive will be gettin one for sure :flasingsmile:

Post by **stumped** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 9:45 am

have ya had it dyno'd? be interested in the new specs...

are ya still looking at doing it as a kit? $$?

Post by **nicbeer** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:25 am

Latest Idea forming.

Using the EFI and turbo from a Mitsu cordia turbo ad adapt it to the zook 1.3 G13b.

Will let you know how it goes. Any info greatly wanted.

Nic

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Mon Apr 19, 2004 10:48 pm

stumped wrote:have ya had it dyno'd? be interested in the new specs...

are ya still looking at doing it as a kit? $$?

Havn't dynoed it yet.
Am looking at doing kits blowers and brakets are easy but the injection kit is the pain at the moment. Unless someone has a contact in japan that can get the TBI units off Vitara's. :lol:

SAM

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Sun May 02, 2004 9:30 pm

Tried something really stupid last week and was suprised. Wanted to see how much torque it actually had. 1st gear high range rolling at idle started to brake and accelerate at the same time to see what would happen to my suprised the Zook stopped but the rear tyres keep spinning it sat there spinning th33 MTR one only will try again and hit the locker and see if it will do both if so I will make a VID and post it.
SAM

Post by **CHOPZUKI** » Sun May 02, 2004 9:35 pm

he he he

next thing you know there'll be zooks on the pad at summernats :cool:

Post by **redzook** » Mon May 03, 2004 4:26 pm

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:Tried something really stupid last week and was suprised. Wanted to see how much torque it actually had. 1st gear high range rolling at idle started to brake and accelerate at the same time to see what would happen to my suprised the Zook stopped but the rear tyres keep spinning it sat there spinning th33 MTR one only will try again and hit the locker and see if it will do both if so I will make a VID and post it.
SAM

if you wana break somthing lend it to me

Post by **qten** » Tue May 04, 2004 1:23 pm

any more news? :roll:

Post by **antt** » Tue May 04, 2004 2:12 pm

yes, i want video :armsup:

Post by **nicbeer** » Tue May 04, 2004 2:47 pm

Hey Sam,

Are you using the standard TBI computer? Hows the computer handle the boost input. Any photos of the bracketry, or supercharger id.

Going to check hopefully soon if my orig dizzy will work with the cordia turbo cpu, Let everyone know how it goes, could be a alternative to vitara as they arn't the best to get hold of.

Mate has a supra supercharger running the mitsu efi system onto a toyo 1.6 2L in a diahatsu F20. Damn powerfull boost, not sure how long motor will last yet.

Thanks

Nic

Post by **OVERKILL ENG** » Tue May 04, 2004 7:05 pm

nicbeer wrote:Hey Sam,

Are you using the standard TBI computer? Hows the computer handle the boost input. Any photos of the bracketry, or supercharger id.

Going to check hopefully soon if my orig dizzy will work with the cordia turbo cpu, Let everyone know how it goes, could be a alternative to vitara as they arn't the best to get hold of.

Mate has a supra supercharger running the mitsu efi system onto a toyo 1.6 2L in a diahatsu F20. Damn powerfull boost, not sure how long motor will last yet.

Thanks

Nic

I am using a MICROTECH computer. Compuiter is fixed so I can post Photo's so I will post some up.
SAM

Post by **De-lux** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:11 am

OVERKILL ENGINEERING wrote:
stumped wrote:have ya had it dyno'd? be interested in the new specs...

are ya still looking at doing it as a kit? $$?

Havn't dynoed it yet.
Am looking at doing kits blowers and brakets are easy but the injection kit is the pain at the moment. Unless someone has a contact in japan that can get the TBI units off Vitara's.
SAM

hey sam, any progress on this yet? :cool:

it sounds very interesting :idea:

Post by **OldGold** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:05 am

I'd be extremely interested in a kit, even if it was just the correct bracket, pulley(s) and belt.

I'm not sure how a Turbo setup would handle going down a soft beach on a 40 degree day. I reckon it'd cook.

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