Tuff Truck 2013 - Results...

[Bentzook]

My cage material was bought from Van Leeuwen Pipe & Tube @ St Marys, its 38.1 x 3.25 seamless tube.

[evanstaniland]

My cage material was bought from Van Leeuwen Pipe & Tube @ St Marys, its 38.1 x 3.25 seamless tube.

So will not comply with the rules for any CCDA event

[Tuff Events]

Of course its overdue, but why wait so long to implement it. But to wrap my zook in 1 3/4 TUBE is stupid, may be needed to wrap your heavy weight patrol in it but the zooks don`t need such heavy shit. Ive roofed my zook plenty of time with 38.1, not hardly a scratch on it. Ive roofed so many times , I like roofing it ha ha. That headlight rule is stupid as aswell, . This whole show is one big penis extension if there ever was one. It can turn somewhat normal people in the most arrogant fcukw1ts Ive ever seen!

My cage material was bought from Van Leeuwen Pipe & Tube @ St Marys, its 38.1 x 3.25 seamless tube.

Ok, I just can't help myself with this one..

TT Management feel that now is time to make the change. The sport is progressing & so must the safety of the teams.

To wrap ur zook in 1-3/4 is Stupid is it?? "Zooks don't need that Heavy Shit?"

FYI, the material you are using is heavier than the 1.75" TT Spec!

So unless ur 38.1mm 3.25mm wall is somehow partially opposing a layer of gravity to make it lighter, your comments make no sense & are typically uneducated.

[BUSTED100]

[Z()LTAN]

Shit stirring aside, good to see the comp evolving again. Its going to make the calliber of entrants even better. The blanket rule on nb is a little rough, perhaps they can be viewed on a case to case basis.

Good luck with it.

[stock 4runner]

Just wanting to check. I'm assuming cutting sections out of the middle of the grill to clear winch motors and bar work dosnt affect my 80% so I can still cut a 1m grill down to 0.8. At a quick measure and calculation I have removed 18% out of the middle but am still at full width so can I narrow it by 20% now or 2% ?

[Pigroota]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

[WICKED]

I thought it was 80% of front view. So bonnet, windscreen, grill, lights, guards etc. that's what you look at looking front on. Not just the grill. IMO

[brooksy]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

I think that is just the choice you need to live with. Guards are only required to meet the inside of the tyre. The rule as far as I'm aware is 80% profile from bonnet extremities with full headlight surround required.
Ben (Wicked) I think you are required to maintain original firewall/A pillar width with factory windscreen surround.



brooksy

[brooksy]

Shit stirring aside, good to see the comp evolving again. Its going to make the calliber of entrants even better. The blanket rule on nb is a little rough, perhaps they can be viewed on a case to case basis.

Good luck with it.

Sorry but that wouldn't work as it would be too difficult to control & extra work & open a can of worms. Your 2nd sentence is part of the reason & first priority being tighter safety control.



brooksy

[Pigroota]

i am with Wicked on this one ....

front profile is what i see if i am standing at the front of the vehicle .... and that includes guards, bonnet and windcreen surround

but can we please get this clarified by the powers to be ....

[HANCOCK]

Will the design of the cage and the welding be as scrutinised as the material we use? There have been poorly designed roll cages how will this be policed? Will the welding of the cage need to be done bye a qualified welder to a standard? Or will we see again as we have before the cage falling apart at the welds from poor welds as i am yet to see a pipe fail there only ever the welds!! Again how will these issues be addressed? No matter what material is used its only as strong as the design and welding that make it up!

[Tuff Events]

i am with Wicked on this one ....

front profile is what i see if i am standing at the front of the vehicle .... and that includes guards, bonnet and windcreen surround

but can we please get this clarified by the powers to be ....

The TT rule of front profile more specifically for at least the past 3 years has been grill bonnet, windscreen.. & EXCLUDING Guards,

Guards are not inclusive of profile for our determination! Its about maintaining vehicle recognition, For Example, allowing a GU trimmed narrower than 80 % looks like crap & is not what we want, so regardless of the make, Grill Width must comply to the amended rule which has always been the intended rule, only now with further clarification, as there are a number of teams outside of our requirements.

Re Roll Cage welding, Its something thats hard to enforce with out making teams have an engineer or the like sign off on it. Which will add even further expense to teams and at this point we do not want to enforce it.

[Shieldsy]

This may sound dumb but how will the tt organisers figure out what people have made their cages from once is in the car? Someone could say its made from this sort of pipe when its not?

[joshy]

the OD's and wall thickness's dont usually match up

[... rick]

This may sound dumb but how will the tt organisers figure out what people have made their cages from once is in the car? Someone could say its made from this sort of pipe when its not?

Good question, Shieldsy. At TT scrutineering this year they had a recognised expert in that field (Matt from Performance Metals) inspecting the cages and he had a piece of testing equipment that measured the wall thickness of the tube. It's pretty safe to say that Matt is no dummy and he (along with others on the scrutineering team) knows what he is looking at.
At the end of the day, it is your own safety that is at risk, why on earth would you want to jeopordise that by using cheap, sub-standard material on your build?

[Tuff Events]

This may sound dumb but how will the tt organisers figure out what people have made their cages from once is in the car? Someone could say its made from this sort of pipe when its not?

Its as simple as measuring the outer diameter in a few places. we want 44.45mm OD, Pipe size is 48.3mm & 42.2mm. therefore a Set of Digital Calipers will tell us very quickly.

As for the wall thickness, we can utilize the performance metals device for this.

[Shieldsy]

No worries then, just thought id ask. At least it's under control

[Screwy]

This rule is fair and every competitor is being given absolutely bucket loads of time to prepare for this............ Most guys have bent bits of cage that need replacing anyways, may as well bend up a new section.

In order for there to be more events per year, not just tuff truck for this style of vehicle, its very important to slowly bring the regs inline with most other motorsports of this type and good as possible. This way at least, other companies and people in the scene will be more inclined to run events for us or allow a class for us in an existing event as our cars will meet a generic ( not comp specific ) set of rules and guidelines.

Screwy

[matt79]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

[matt79]

Does the 80% include blinker surrounds which are part of my 60 series headlight surounds? or can I cut them off and use a LED style ones?

[stilivn]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

Dude this was a known rule last year how is it so many people don't read requirements when building a comp specific truck?

[want33s]

Just wanting to check. I'm assuming cutting sections out of the middle of the grill to clear winch motors and bar work dosnt affect my 80% so I can still cut a 1m grill down to 0.8. At a quick measure and calculation I have removed 18% out of the middle but am still at full width so can I narrow it by 20% now or 2% ?

I'd like an answer to this too...

[BUSTED100]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

If this is the 60 that was at Mudgee during the Opposite Lock event, she's a top looking rig and all the best with the rullings

[matt79]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

Dude this was a known rule last year how is it so many people don't read requirements when building a comp specific truck?

It would have been within the 80% m2 of the full front profile including front of bonnet and windscreen which how I understood this rule. I could even get away with 80% without windscreen but need front bonnet profile to be a part of this. Just going on 80% of grille width seems a bit unfair unless you build it up from somthing with narrow grille and headlights (eg. 40 or zuke)

[matt79]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

If this is the 60 that was at Mudgee during the Opposite Lock event, she's a top looking rig and all the best with the rullings

Yeah thats the one. thanks. Really hope to sort something out with this rule to try and get in.

[Rolly]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

If this is the 60 that was at Mudgee during the Opposite Lock event, she's a top looking rig and all the best with the rullings

Yeah thats the one. thanks. Really hope to sort something out with this rule to try and get in.

yeah looks like we did our last tt it would have been good to give the patrol one last run in 2013 but we can only manage 70% front profile and there is no other way to over come this .
a stock patrol grille is 1.7mtrs wide i wish we built a 40 or jeep or suzi things would be alot simpler .
rules are rules and its good to see tt enforcing them . maybe we will build something new for 2014 havnt decided yet .

cheers brett and mitch

[matt79]

is the 80% front profile rule counting just the grille & headlights , or are the guards included in that 80% ?
makes a big difference when you look at a zuke / 40 series with a grille / headights that are set narrow & the guards protrude out wide from the headlights , compareds to the likes of a GU / 80 series or even a hilux , where the headlights are on the outer extemeties of the vehicle body front profile
not really a level playing field rule if the latter can only be narrowed down by 80% overall , but a zuke or 40 series can narrow the grille down to the 80% & run with either narrowed or no guards

Totally agree. Just finished building a 60 to compete have got no hope of entering now because of this 80% pofile rule without huge $ changes.

If this is the 60 that was at Mudgee during the Opposite Lock event, she's a top looking rig and all the best with the rullings

Yeah thats the one. thanks. Really hope to sort something out with this rule to try and get in.

yeah looks like we did our last tt it would have been good to give the patrol one last run in 2013 but we can only manage 70% front profile and there is no other way to over come this .
a stock patrol grille is 1.7mtrs wide i wish we built a 40 or jeep or suzi things would be alot simpler .
rules are rules and its good to see tt enforcing them . maybe we will build something new for 2014 havnt decided yet .

cheers brett and mitch

brett
My 60 is very similar to the front of your patrol and the only way I thought it may be possible to get somwhere within the rules is to maybe do something similar to lukeys lux to use most of grille and but use original headlights lifted up into bonnet slightly to get clearances only thing is we can't use headlight surrounds or original blinkers. Don't know if this would keep enough profile but would give it close to the width required.
Do you think this would work?

[raven ute]

as long as the rules suit a 40 series i guess some dont have any issues what so ever

[brooksy]

as long as the rules suit a 40 series i guess some dont have any issues what so ever

That is just BS !!!
It sh@ts me to tears with crap remarks like that. The ruling which past competitors have been made aware of happening for the past 2-3yrs is mainly based around vehicles losing there instant identity.
Pete & many others both of which include spectators & competitors wanted TTC to retain as much as possible it's "Grass Roots" with respect to spectators being able to relate the vehicles somewhat to there own. Spectators having the ability to support a Nissan, Toyota, Suzuki, etc.



brooksy