Tough Dog Toperi Challenge 23rd/24th Nov

[the gun]

Hi all, just locking in the last weekend in November for this year’s Toperi Challenge. Tony has fielded some calls already in regards to roll cage requirements for this year. No you don’t have to build an internal cage, an exo cage will be fine. We are in the throes of finalising the minimum materials and construction required and should be able to let everyone know in the coming weeks what they are.
At this stage the format from last year won’t change, maybe some fine tuning. We have booked fine weather except for the 20mm of rain Friday morning. Hope to see you all there.
Cheers
Glenn.

[ROB ZUK]

Hi all, just locking in the last weekend in November for this year’s Toperi Challenge. Tony has fielded some calls already in regards to roll cage requirements for this year. No you don’t have to build an internal cage, an exo cage will be fine. We are in the throes of finalising the minimum materials and construction required and should be able to let everyone know in the coming weeks what they are.
At this stage the format from last year won’t change, maybe some fine tuning. We have booked fine weather except for the 20mm of rain Friday morning. Hope to see you all there.
Cheers
Glenn.

So those are the dates?? I can book in my time off??
Its not going to be changed to the weekend of the 30th of November (last weekend in November)??

Cheers,
Rob...

[the gun]

Hi all, just locking in the last weekend in November for this year’s Toperi Challenge. Tony has fielded some calls already in regards to roll cage requirements for this year. No you don’t have to build an internal cage, an exo cage will be fine. We are in the throes of finalising the minimum materials and construction required and should be able to let everyone know in the coming weeks what they are.
At this stage the format from last year won’t change, maybe some fine tuning. We have booked fine weather except for the 20mm of rain Friday morning. Hope to see you all there.
Cheers
Glenn.

So those are the dates?? I can book in my time off??
Its not going to be changed to the weekend of the 30th of November (last weekend in November)??

Cheers,
Rob...

Toperi has always been held the last full weekend of November and won't change cause we can't change the weather booking.

[unmass]

Count us in for Trac 4 we have a new truck built to ttc specs and can't wait.

[Shady]

Toperi will be great as always.
Blue Mountains will be there again

[Mudsookie]

Can any one tell me what degrees the travel ramp is at Toperi?
Just working out my suspension and want to calculate my RTI.

[MADSHORT]

so if we build cages to suit ccda will that be fine ????
cheers
Gordon

[evanstaniland]

^^^ ????

It is an event that is run under ccda so yes must be ccda compliant aswell as you being a ccda member.
Read the cage rules carefully.

[Toperi]

Email sent to all competitors regarding Roll Cage rules. They are exactly the same as Tuff Truck. If anyone hasn't received it let me know.

Our travel ramp is the standard 30 degrees.

[the gun]

Can any one tell me what degrees the travel ramp is at Toperi?
Just working out my suspension and want to calculate my RTI.

30 degree

[the gun]

With the involvement of the dept. of sport and rec into motor sport events, they require a racing licence to be issued. This is a longwinded exercise that the Canobolas 4wd club neither has the time or resources to obtain. However there is a way round the red tape. We now can run under an approved racing format that requires the absents of time as a way to determine a winner. That format is how Tuff Truck was run this year and will be the format that we will use from now on.
As many of you know the Toperi Challenge is a ccda event and therefore we must run under ccda rules and regs, in particular the specs regarding roll over protection. Along with the racing format we are also adopting roll cage specs from Tuff Truck. For those that need to modify or fabricate please consult "manual of motorsport" found on the ccda web page. A link is posted below. I’ve also posted the most relevant information from the manual but please visit the link so that you have a full understanding of what is required to compete at Toperi this year. For us to hold this event, and most importantly to be covered by the ccda’s insurance we must follow the requirements to the letter.

cheers
Glenn

Link to manual of motorsport
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ROLL CAGE RULES


Vehicle Rules & Regulations
The Toperi Challenge is a Sanctioned Cross Country Drivers Association (CCDA) Group D Open Class event, run in accordance with Toperi Challenge Supplementary Rules/Regulations & Scoring. CCDA Manual can be downloaded here:
Supplementary Rules & Regulations
UPDATED Rules 01/06/2013
Roll Cages: AMENDMENT: Enforced on all new teams immediately & all existing teams.
Min 2.5mm Wall Thickness 2.0″ 50.8mm or 1.75″(44.45mm OD) Tube must be used for the b-pillar hoop, if the A&B Pillar are one piece, they must also be 1.75″. Including the cross Horizontal brace in the roof that joins the A to A & B to B-Pillar (from left to right side of vehicle) All other associated bracing is to be a minimum of 1.5″ OD 38.1mm / 2.5mm min wall thickness tube. ( 1-3/4 or 2.0″ recommended )
For all teams building new vehicles, we strongly recommend that your build your entire cage using 1-3/4″ throughout the entire construction.
THESE PIPE Sizes are NOT allowed. i.e 33.4mm OD / 42.2mm OD / – Commonly known as Nominal Bore – 25Nb / 32NB / Black Pipe.
40NB Pipe 48.3mm OD is allowed if tensile strength is greater than 350MPA & a specification sheet can be supplied as evidence. (i.e Invoice & Specs )

Mounting plate size and thickness, as with pipe diameter, type and wall thickness along with mounting hardware should reflect the vehicle mass. You will not require an internal cage if your external ( Exo ) cage is up to spec.


2.9.4 GROUP D EVENT
Short Course / Tuff Truck Challenge - Non Timed Events
A Short Course shall be a driving and self-recovery Stage in which all Competitors compete over the same course. Only one vehicle may be on the course at any time. The course may comprise muddy, rocky and slippery surfaces, steep and difficult terrain, and may have controlled and uncontrolled self-recovery sections. The Stage shall NOT be timed. Speed is not the determining factor. This type of Stage may be judged on distance travelled and may include Individual Skill Stages. Start and finish garages & point progression markers may be used.


5.3.11 GUIDANCE ON WELDING
All welding shall be of the highest possible quality with full penetration and preferably using a gas shielded arc, and shall demonstrate good workmanship.
When using heat–treated steel the special instructions of the manufacturers shall be followed (special electrodes, gas protected welding).
5.4 MATERIAL SPECIFICATIONS
All tubing used in roll bar protection structures shall be circular section cold drawn steel tube (CDS, CDW or CEW) with properties as shown in the following tables.
Composition
Property Specification
Carbon Content
Manganese content
Other alloy content
Tensile strength
0.3% max.
1.0% max.
0.5% max.
350 Mpa min.
Minimum dimensions
Component. Outside Diameter Wall Thickness
Main Hoop 44.45mm
50.00mm
2.5mm
2.0mm
All other Components 38mm
40mm
2.5mm
2.0mm
MANUAL OF FWD MOTOR SPORT ROLLOVER PROTECTION
Version 10.0 01-Mar-2013 41
These figures represent the minimum permitted specification. In selecting the steel, attention shall be paid to obtaining good elongation properties and adequate weld ability.

5.3.2 TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
Main, front and lateral roll bars shall be made in one piece without joints with smooth and even construction without ripples or cracks. The vertical part of the main roll bar shall be parallel to the interior contour or the body shell.
The front leg of a front roll bar or of a lateral roll bar shall be straight, or shall follow the
Windscreen pillars and have only one bend with its lower vertical part.
Where a main roll bar forms the rear leg as of a lateral roll bar, the connection to the lateral roll bar shall be at roof level.
To achieve an efficient fixing to the body shell, the original interior trim may be modified around the safety cages and their fixings by cutting it away or by removing it.
No part of the interior trim/ roof lining etc. should compromise the positioning of the ROP.
Modern contoured roof linings can reduce the height of internal bars by as much as 50mm.
Allowance should also be made for relocation of fuse boxes, heater fans etc.
In open cars the roll bar shall be a minimum of 50 mm above any occupant’s head. In
conjunction with the vehicle’s structure the roll cage should not leave unprotected any part of an occupant’s shoulders when viewed from front or rear.
The main roll bar shall not overhang but shall be within 150mm of any occupant’s head.
An occupant’s helmet shall be prevented from passing between the bars to the extent that the helmet is visible at the rear of the hoop when viewed from the side.
No holes may be drilled in the main bar.

[the gun]

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go here for a picture of a roll cage. While this is a picture of an internal cage and external cage can be constructed in the same manner to be ...on the outside.

[YEA 13B]

So single car event now? No teams?

[turbo gu]

So cant we use old street signs for our cages like Pricey has for his new cag sorry had to stir.

Serious question, by a quick read of above it won't be teams anymore as it says 1 car only on stage at a time?

[the gun]

So single car event now? No teams?

Ha Ha I was wondering if anyone was awake. The above format is what has been accepted by ccda and their insurance underwriters. We will be negotiating to keep our two car team event. I'll keep you all posted of the out come.

[pricey]

So cant we use old street signs for our cages like Pricey has for his new cag sorry had to stir.

My cage is fine! That's 44.45 stuff
It was hard work going round getting them signs for the new guards

[Mudsookie]

So will you take single entry's or do I still have to be with a 4x4 club

[evanstaniland]

Last year wasn't necessary to be from a club. It's moved to ccda

[turbo gu]

Last year wasn't necessary to be from a club. It's moved to ccda

Are you sure on that??

[evanstaniland]

That is how i assumed the info that tony told me last year on the phone

[Toperi]

We are still working on Roll Cage rules and specs, at this stage all competing vehicles must have a roll cage, some Nb pipe may be allowed if the design of the existing roll cage meets with the rules we are working on. If the insurance company accepts our supplementary rules a lot of competing cars may not need too many modifications.

[Toperi]

Entries sent out to all on my list, anyone who didn't receive them email me toperi2@bigpond.com

[Toperi]

Bong Bong has entered 2 teams already.

[Nerd]

any more teams entered yet

[grungle99]

How are the entries going? Are you doing the first 10 teams choose start place again?

[jono4x4]

We are looking for another driver/truck to team up with if anyone is interested. Ph 0414267008 or pm.

John

[Toperi]

I have quite a pile of entries here to sort through, hopefully on Sunday i will get them organized and post a list of entrants so far.

Yes we will be giving the first 10 teams the opportunity to pick their start positions.

We have started discussing track changes for this year, just to keep it interesting.

[Toperi]

Here is where I got up to with the entries.

1 Steve Patten Paul Smith Nissan Patrol Daniel Short Gordon Short Landcruiser Bong Bong
2 Tracey Johnston Reece Warnecke 75 Series Gordon Short Daniel Short 80 Series Bong Bong
3 Glenn Odlum Ross Davidson Range Rover Michael Tot Les Tot Sierra ACT ATC
4 Paul Monsuier Greg McDonald Toyota Hilux Alan Cox Andy Bates Toyota 40 series On All 4s
5 Shaun Clancy Adam Tyson Toyota Hilux Danny Peters Brett Gambell Toyota Hilux Lithgow 4wd
6 Paul Gamble Steven Quinn 80 Series Peter Jarvie Craig Schofield Hilux On All 4s
7 Scott Bailey Johshua Morgan Hilux Joshua Heather Chris Heather Hilux On All 4s
8 Shane Loder Dillon James Toyota Hilux Grant Feltham Matt Shield Ford Bronco Blue Mountains
9 David Luke Nathan Mcgrode Range Rover Charles Bottemann Steven Grima Nissan Patrol AT4
10 Marshall Bell Don Bell Nissan Patrol Steven Juarez Michael Bennett Toyota 105 Serie Shellharbour 4wd Club
11 Chris Tierney Peter Sayers Toyota Hilux Mark Borg Jason Borg Hilux Kamikaze
12 Michael Barrett Thomas Barrett Nissan Patrol Wayne Rumble John Adamson Hilux Brindabellas
13 Matt Diamond James Walsh 60 Series Dave Tucker Kevin Willis CJ5 Jeep Dubbo 4wd

[Toperi]

There are other teams as well from Kamikaze and northwest 4x4, will get them up through the week.

[the gun]

Here is where I got up to with the entries.

1 Steve Patten Paul Smith Nissan Patrol Daniel Short Gordon Short Landcruiser Bong Bong
2 Tracey Johnston Reece Warnecke 75 Series Gordon Short Daniel Short 80 Series Bong Bong
3 Glenn Odlum Ross Davidson Range Rover Michael Tot Les Tot Sierra ACT ATC
4 Paul Monsuier Greg McDonald Toyota Hilux Alan Cox Andy Bates Toyota 40 series On All 4s
5 Shaun Clancy Adam Tyson Toyota Hilux Danny Peters Brett Gambell Toyota Hilux Lithgow 4wd
6 Paul Gamble Steven Quinn 80 Series Peter Jarvie Craig Schofield Hilux On All 4s
7 Scott Bailey Johshua Morgan Hilux Joshua Heather Chris Heather Hilux On All 4s
8 Shane Loder Dillon James Toyota Hilux Grant Feltham Matt Shield Ford Bronco Blue Mountains
9 David Luke Nathan Mcgrode Range Rover Charles Bottemann Steven Grima Nissan Patrol AT4
10 Marshall Bell Don Bell Nissan Patrol Steven Juarez Michael Bennett Toyota 105 Serie Shellharbour 4wd Club
11 Chris Tierney Peter Sayers Toyota Hilux Mark Borg Jason Borg Hilux Kamikaze
12 Michael Barrett Thomas Barrett Nissan Patrol Wayne Rumble John Adamson Hilux Brindabellas
13 Matt Diamond James Walsh 60 Series Dave Tucker Kevin Willis CJ5 Jeep Dubbo 4wd

Just to be clear, the numbers that Tony has allocated to the teams has no bearing on run order. Run order will be announced once the all entries have been received or the comp is fully subscribed.