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Post by **Tman_suzuki** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:03 am

what a beast,

how short is he gettin on the vitara?is it the x-L-7?

Post by **grimbo** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:09 am

Tman_suzuki wrote:what a beast,

how short is he gettin on the vitara?is it the x-L-7?

Huh? What do you mean?

Post by ***BESTY*** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:23 pm

grimbo wrote:
Tman_suzuki wrote:what a beast,

how short is he gettin on the vitara?is it the x-L-7?

Huh? What do you mean?

Why do you humour him and reply Grimbo ?? :roll:

All it does is frustrate you !! :lol:

Post by **Guy** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:27 pm

Ferozius wrote:
grimbo wrote:
Tman_suzuki wrote:what a beast,

how short is he gettin on the vitara?is it the x-L-7?

Huh? What do you mean?

Why do you humour him and reply Grimbo ??
All it does is frustrate you !!

Much the same reason he keeps his Zuk .. Its a love\hate relationship

Post by **grimbo** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:33 pm

Ferozius wrote:
grimbo wrote:
Tman_suzuki wrote:what a beast,

how short is he gettin on the vitara?is it the x-L-7?

Huh? What do you mean?

Why do you humour him and reply Grimbo ??
All it does is frustrate you !!

I like to encourage people with English as their second language. I feel it is important for their practise if others encourage them to use an, obviously, very hard language to learn, is as many ways as possible

Post by **raqmup** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:36 pm

At last! That frigin' white thing with the goofy lookin' smileys on the roof is underway...

Joe's gonna make all my christmas' cum at once! Y'all can take the piss out of the 'pretty' paint- who says ya can't pick a colour that's not out of a rattle can anywayz? hehe! :roll:

Anyone that knows me wil tell you that I never shut up 'bout what I'm 'gunnado', time to 'justdoit' :armsup:

Here's some pics post mods! and some more of joes thang! :crazyeyes:

Post by **antt** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:43 pm

moose wrote:I think the rear shaft is only shortened about 10-15 mm !!!
but the jack-shaft between the Vit transfer & the zook transfer becomes a RR rubber coupling !!!!

can you tell me more about this moose? i assume RR is range rover???

Post by **fourbyphil** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:23 pm

Hate to appear dumb, but i am.

anyway does anyone have any tips. i cant get the pics to show up on my computer. it is gay. cause my immagination is not that great.

Post by **fourbyphil** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:26 pm

Hate to appear dumb, but i am.

anyway does anyone have any tips. i cant get the pics to show up on my computer. it is gay. cause my immagination is not that great.

Post by **Drewfus** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 1:51 pm

I see photo's..........try again, if you still cannot see, time to dropkick the computer......or at least your internet service provider.

Post by **ljxtreem** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:14 pm

wheres the flex in the front, me thinks it will topple first hill it climbs.
nice paint though :shock:

Post by **runnin4life** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:07 pm

was about to say the same thing

Post by **bigsteve** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:12 pm

ljxtreem wrote:wheres the flex in the front, me thinks it will topple first hill it climbs.
nice paint though

You don't need flex when you have yellow coils.

p.s.
That steering damper looks vulnerable

Post by **raqmup** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:27 pm

If you're talkin' bout joes lwb coily, it is oh so balanced and it will have coil retainers with a fully built tray on the back to keep it down. About the front end 'not' working, there's no weight in the arse end to even let it think about beginning to work just yet!! :roll:

The front coils have craploads a flex left in 'em and once they have some weight to make them flex it will turn your question mark into an exclamation mark just after you go "yeah baby"!! hehe

Post by **raqmup** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 3:56 pm

ljxtreem wrote:wheres the flex in the front, me thinks it will topple first hill it climbs.
nice paint though

Mr Lj, you should know about toppling over with all that "insurance" all over ur truck anywayz??

Not try'n to sound critical, where's the flex in a sprung-under front end dude? :finger:

hehe!

Post by **redzook** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:15 pm

raqmup wrote:If you're talkin' bout joes lwb coily, it is oh so balanced and it will have coil retainers with a fully built tray on the back to keep it down. About the front end 'not' working, there's no weight in the arse end to even let it think about beginning to work just yet!!
The front coils have craploads a flex left in 'em and once they have some weight to make them flex it will turn your question mark into an exclamation mark just after you go "yeah baby"!! hehe

how will weight in the rear make the front flex better?
get some pics of it reversed up the ramp it should flex the front then

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:44 pm

I dunno, but our LWB's seem to flex better in the front with less weight in the back. Maybe it is built for reversing up tracks.
Can't see the front getting much heavier - seems to have an engine in it. Perhaps some softer front springs and limiting straps in the rear end to stop the coil unloading might be the go.
Sure has got more front end travel than a SPUA though.

Post by **raqmup** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:54 pm

Gwagensteve wrote:I dunno, but our LWB's seem to flex better in the front with less weight in the back. Maybe it is built for reversing up tracks.
Can't see the front getting much heavier - seems to have an engine in it. Perhaps some softer front springs and limiting straps in the rear end to stop the coil unloading might be the go.
Sure has got more front end travel than a SPUA though.

At the end of the day fella's, we can all speculate what may or may not be the case, :roll:

how 'bout waiting till it's done and 'the evidence will speak for itself'

P.s. Steve, the coils retainers are being fitted next week and I think the direction of the tyres indicates which way it's intended to be driven :finger:

Post by **raqmup** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 5:58 pm

redzook wrote:
raqmup wrote:If you're talkin' bout joes lwb coily, it is oh so balanced and it will have coil retainers with a fully built tray on the back to keep it down. About the front end 'not' working, there's no weight in the arse end to even let it think about beginning to work just yet!!
The front coils have craploads a flex left in 'em and once they have some weight to make them flex it will turn your question mark into an exclamation mark just after you go "yeah baby"!! hehe

how will weight in the rear make the front flex better?
get some pics of it reversed up the ramp it should flex the front then

Um, that's what I've observed from a few different vehicles with similar set ups... It may not always be the case though :lol:

Will do, I think moose may have some more taken with his digi camera, however, I should have some hopefully in a week or two when it's been developed a bit more.

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:03 pm

Holyflexbatman.jpg?
Oh-So-Balanced?
I think you might have posted the wrong photo's.

Ramps are an excellent way of checking balance. The car should be at approximately half the side angle of the front axle with a front wheel up a ramp. Safari-Gard (US) have managed this by not altering the stock roll stiffness of the rear end defender, but massively reducing the front roll stiffness. these cars will do up to 56% of their total travel with the front end on a 30 degree ramp.

I would suggest that the yellow car has closer to a 95/5% balance, which I think will feel a little spooky offroad. By limiting the rear wheel travel to the point before where the rear coils drop out, this might feel better, but I think that there might be some revision to spring rates before this car is complete.

Adding weight to the car at any point behind the front axle will do very little to fix this, as when the car is climbing this weight transfers rearwards and will make the problem worse. (As evidenced by the second ramping photo.) Quite a few members of the club have moved the fuel tank forward of the rear axle to help load the front up more and prevent this problem- the more weight behind the rear axle, the worse this will be.

Grover has very nice balance though and is a credit to the workshop.

Post by **raqmup** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 6:18 pm

That's very knowledgable of ya Steve, :lol:

perhaps you're right in what you say, however, I think joe wouldn't build his own car as a representation of the business if it wasn't going to work properly. Added to that, I'm sure he has a few more tricks up his sleeve before the 'yellow thing mk.3' is finished :armsup:

Not try'n to argue technicalities, 'cause I know I'm gonna loose that one with you stevie, I'll post some more info and pics as they come to hand.
Oh, Grover's not too far away from mr. engineer giving it the tick of aprooval either, it's a spunky peice o' machinery! :cool:

Post by **moose** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:16 pm

Y bag something that is still in development & build ???

the coils in the front are from his old set up , & will be changed to suit the final "built weight" !!

Big steve , it does look vunerable , it,s in the same spot as MK2 , & he never damaged it on that !!!
If you line up the obsticle(sp?) with the tyre , it should be sweet !!!

LJ , it is gunna be legal & registered !!!
where,d you leave ya trailer ????

Post by **Gwagensteve** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 7:41 pm

Be cool moose - The photo's were not presented as "in the build"... the front travel is not sorted it has the wrong springs in it etcetcetc

They were talking up the travel... and claiming it was "oh so balanced" On the basis of the photos, this is not the case.

I'm sure that Joe will get it sorted, Look forward to seeing it in the bush.

Post by **raqmup** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 8:34 pm

Settle kids! :lol:

Geez, a slight detail on how I saved a picture file amd you boys fly off the handle... :agrue:

Anyone can see it's still in developmental stages, no headlights, no tray, no paint, no doors :roll:

It's gone way off track, I was jsut showin' you guys a few more shot's of joes truck for interests sake. There's been a big misunderstanding that they were of something close to completion when in fact it's not the case.

As for the LJ, well, you're gonna lose that one with anyone that knows joe or kenny steve.

Moose is right, is it registered? If it is, I should get my dune buggy out of the garage and trundle it down to vic roads :microwave:

Post by **bigsteve** » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:44 pm

A word of advice raqump:

Talking up something when its "In the build" is only going to make you look more the fool if/when it is a flop.

Post by **raqmup** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:47 am

Fair point, howver, as you can imagine, it's pretty exciting watching something like this being built and I'm a bit of a dreamer :roll:

I like to think 'what will be' big steve :lol:

Post by **grimbo** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:37 am

raqmup wrote:Not try'n to sound critical, where's the flex in a sprung-under front end dude? hehe!

um here

and in the photot there is no front flex. That is all people were saying. We shall wait until we see the final outcome before it becomes praise or criticism. I'm hoping it all goes well and puts 4Play out there as the Suzuki specialist. Keep up the good work Joe

Post by **nicbeer** » Fri Dec 31, 2004 4:00 pm

Hey all,

Anybody got pics of cams beast from this thread as I believe this is the one from the new 4x4 monthly.

cheers

Post by **Giles** » Sat Jan 01, 2005 10:21 pm

next time u go into joes my car will be sitting there 4 live axle converson

Post by **bigsteve** » Sun Jan 02, 2005 8:07 am

Giles wrote:next time u go into joes my car will be sitting there 4 live axle converson

What???? theres a zook at 4play thats NOT getting duals and a SPOA

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