Time for a new donk

Post by **De-lux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:17 pm

Firstly, might i refer you to this:
http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=21650

Ok. the end result is a bent rod, after spending 5+ hours on staurday pulling my engine bay apart (and so far its cost $600+). These are my options:

1. dodgy fix, new rod with small cost, then sell car ASAP
2. Proper fix, full rebuild. average $
3. engine swap for commodore V6 (favoured option), big cost
4. engine swap for new 2.8Diesel

whats the opinions peoples, and anyone whos done a commodore v6 into a LN106R what was the cost, and benefits / negatives?

thanks 4x4'ers

Post by **Going_up** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:25 pm

swaping with a new 2.8 is easy as, then you can turbo it

the commo6 would be harder to do,

ah i've already spoken to you today
and spent all day sat on it,

call me wen you decide wat to do or if haveing trouble trying to decide :cool:

Post by **RUFF** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:27 pm

I dont understand how it cost $600+ just to pull an engine bay apart.

This could have been fixed in the car without removing the motor and i would have put faith in it getting at least another 100tho Ks out of the motor. And would have prob only set you back $1000 total. Including Parts and Labour.

Post by **De-lux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:34 pm

Going_up wrote:swaping with a new 2.8 is easy as, then you can turbo it

the commo6 would be harder to do,

ah i've already spoken to you today
and spent all day sat on it,

call me wen you decide wat to do or if haveing trouble trying to decide

Again, shut up with your useless SPAM justin

Post by **De-lux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:37 pm

sorry ruff, i wasnt clear enough. from that sinking episode, it has cost me 600+ (reco'd starter($130), brakes fixed($330), new oils and filters($200)). i would still enjoy the power of V6 action from a commordore since its gonna cost me money anyways

Post by **RUFF** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:46 pm

True. If you are going to Reco the 2.8 it will be around the same $$ to fit a commo V6 and you will get more power from the V6.

Do you want to Go Auto with the V6 or stay Manual?

Post by **De-lux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:49 pm

definatly manual. im not an auto person. i am planning to do this commmodore swap codenamed "CommLux", and myself and a deisel fitter friend are going to rebuild the origional 2.8D over time and sell it for a bit hopefully.

thats probably the best option in my view

Website · Post by **killalux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:51 pm

i am currently putting a turbo supra 7mgte motor in my hilux, lookin like it will be around the $2-3000 mark complete, but be prepared to do alot of research and hunting for parts, the commo swap would be more straight forward i think.

Post by **RUFF** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:53 pm

If you are going to give it a hard time the standard manual wont handle it. You will need to go to either a Marks heavy duty box or find someone that can build a Dyna internaled R151 5spd for you. Both are not cheap options.

Post by **De-lux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 7:57 pm

whats the minimum of a "hard time" i can give it? do i definatly need a new box? that kinda sucks if i do.

Post by **RUFF** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:12 pm

They wont take hard second gear shifts. Or third or fourth for that matter.

I have seen them last years behind V6s and V8s but just dont try and spin the tyres through gearchanges.

Post by **Going_up** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:19 pm

well looks like your in 4 a gear box mick,
you couldn't help yourself with that xtra power, no one could

Post by **De-lux** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:59 pm

i could if it meant a new box.

i would just have to be careful. if it shows signs of wear and tear i'll get a new box over time.

Post by **Daisy** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:50 pm

De-lux wrote:i could if it meant a new box.

i would just have to be careful. if it shows signs of wear and tear i'll get a new box over time.

Why not save yourself the trouble and get a proper box for the setup you're using.

Its just like puttin a six banger gearbox behind a 350 chev.

TOM

Post by **Bartso** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:07 pm

dude it sounds alot cheaper to get a V6 commo and gearbox to match and adapt the transfer from the hilux if that is strong enough that is

Post by **bazzle** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:00 am

A good swap is the commodore and auto route. They have been used in competions and take the sh*t.

Hilux manuals strip gears behind turboed 2.8's even (I did 2)

Bazzle

Post by **De-lux** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:27 am

does anyone know how much the whole conversion costs if i get someone to do it? And if i get a gearbox as well.

Post by **De-lux** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:28 am

^^^ when i say someone, i mean a reputable 4x4 engineering mob who'll do the swap.

Post by **phippsy** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:40 am

I got a price from Bullet Engineering at Yatala to put a lexus v8 into my lux and drive in drive out, there wasn't going to be much change from 10k, needless to say I got a 2nd hand turbo...Wouldh've been a good job though.

Post by **Daisy** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:22 am

De-lux wrote:^^^ when i say someone, i mean a reputable 4x4 engineering mob who'll do the swap.

Try redlands 4x4

TOM

Post by **Hybrid** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:37 am

Usually between 8-10k for somebody to do it. A friend of a friend got a dellows conversion done out the bay way (maybe the redlands joint mentioned) for 5-6k.

John

Post by **sw1** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:45 am

go the commo motor (i am!!!)

if you couldnt do it for under 5k your self i go heave

Post by **chimpboy** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:10 pm

I reckon go the Dellow kit and do it yourself. Anything else would cost heaps more. I can't see doing it yourself being very hard at all.

As for gearbox strength, I think hiluxes have the W series boxes in them don't they? I had a W57 in my XJ-S, so it was taking 300 horsepower and spinning tyres on a pretty heavy car, and it lasted through about four years of abuse before 2nd gear died.

That was a totally second hand box though. Dellow can also provide a reco'd W5x gearbox which would probably last longer; they arrive looking very tidy.

If you could get a better gearbox in there at the same time as the motor that would probably be smarter, but if you want to spread the cost over time then you could do the gearbox later (and probably end up paying a bit more than if you did it all at once). An R154 supra turbo box or similar can handle heaps more than a poxy commodore motor could ever put out

If you can't do it yourself, I am pretty sure Paultherocksta96's brother does a lot of buick 3.8 -> hilux conversions. His workshop is very nicely set up and he's in Nundah. Try PM'ing paultherocksta96 on this list or PM me and I'll try to find the phone number. I suspect you'd drive in and drive out for around $6-7k but I could be way off.

Jason

Post by **Hybrid** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:24 pm

Hey De

Im in the middle of doing this at the moment. Im putting a rebuilt auto behind mine. One thing to remember with going the 5 speed route, when later on you decide to go a stronger box your up for the price of a new adapter (bout 1000) and box at the minimum.

Check my post in this thread bellow. I have listed out all the major costs I have incurred so far. Bear in mind I dont have much in the way of connections.

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... highlight=

Post by **ORSM45** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:28 pm

7M, keep it toyota.

Post by **De-lux** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:19 pm

ok, i rang up redlands 4x4, he said $10K average. i rang up the bank, and they laughed when i asked for $8K...

i could probably do it myself with help from all my friends and connections, but i need my car back on the road ASAP as its my only car and daily driver. I'm kinda over the commodore V6 idea, as its gonna cost to much, and the bank won't give it to me. im thinking about doing a quick rebuild on my motor (3L), and just slapping a turbo on it at the first availiable time.

my poor heart was broken when the bank lady said probably not... ooh well, its probably for the best

Post by **chimpboy** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:33 pm

De-lux wrote:ok, i rang up redlands 4x4, he said $10K average. i rang up the bank, and they laughed when i asked for $8K...

i could probably do it myself with help from all my friends and connections, but i need my car back on the road ASAP as its my only car and daily driver. I'm kinda over the commodore V6 idea, as its gonna cost to much, and the bank won't give it to me. im thinking about doing a quick rebuild on my motor (3L), and just slapping a turbo on it at the first availiable time.

my poor heart was broken when the bank lady said probably not... ooh well, its probably for the best

Yeah probably for the best if you haven't got the cash... but I really would have thought you could fit the commodore v6 yourself for under three grand. They are a cheap motor and the conversion gear is readily available.

Go the cheapest cheapest option of replacing the rod and forget about it until (a) you've got the money for a better motor or (b) it breaks again.

Jason

Post by **NICK** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:44 pm

you can get a 1kzte front cut from $2500, i would look into this as a serious option.

NICK

Post by **De-lux** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 8:53 am

NICK wrote:you can get a 1kzte front cut from $2500, i would look into this as a serious option.

NICK

yeah well i need my truck on road asap and i've only got MAX $1800 to do it with. so the old con rods come out this saturday, and are off to Brisbane Crankshaft Service to get resized and re bushed etc. etc. and i might slap a new timing belt in there while i got it all out. then the following week its all back together to get back on the road and slap 'her into low range then get back offroad!!

ooh, and whats a 1kzte?

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:53 am

De-lux wrote:
NICK wrote:you can get a 1kzte front cut from $2500, i would look into this as a serious option.

NICK

yeah well i need my truck on road asap and i've only got MAX $1800 to do it with. so the old con rods come out this saturday, and are off to Brisbane Crankshaft Service to get resized and re bushed etc. etc. and i might slap a new timing belt in there while i got it all out. then the following week its all back together to get back on the road and slap 'her into low range then get back offroad!!

ooh, and whats a 1kzte?

1kzte = 3.0L turbo, overhead intercooled prado motor.

The motor is very good, and they really boogie.

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