nbs4x4club Night Navagation Run 13/11/04

[Gutless]

North Brisbane Suzuki Club Night Navagation run.

Meeting: The Burma servo on the cunningham Hwy at willowbank

Time: 6.00pm

Cost: $10

Drinks will be available at some checkpionts, and drinks and snags will be awaiting competitors at the last stage.

Rating is Easy/medium, with hard option (*hint* - Bring your brains )

Any queries can be directed towards me . Hope to see heaps of you there.


Limit of 50 Vehicles

0404 057 383
Email: lcary@bigpond.net.au

Pete

[Marshy]

Just a querie Gutless.

How do you guys stand with non-members doing your night runs? I know we (Logan Club) had dramas, because they weren't covered by our public liabilty insurance policy. That is why our runs are now members only. The only way around the problem, according to Ken Brady from TCIS, is to not charge people money to go on the run. That way, they are attending of their own free will and risk.
Sorry, not trying to put a downer on your run or anything. I just don't want to see you guys put into a bad situation. If you guys have something worked out, that's great. I'm sure there would plenty of our guys keen to go on a NBS4x4 run.

[antt]

same night as logan run

[Gutless]

This was approved by our comittee, so I can only assume that they have worked something out.

I will look into it tho

[Marshy]

That's cool. I just remember the conversation had with TCIS, and they said that if a litigation case came against our club as a result of a non-member doing a run, that our insurance would not cover us, and the committee members would be personally persued throught the courts. That would include you, as the "trip leader". So, I think it would be a good idea to get confirmation. I know it's a pain in the arse, but I guess that's just how it goes now with all this public liability BS.
All I'm saying is, make sure your arse is covered mate.

If it's all good, then, good luck for the run. Hope it goes well for ya's.

[Toj0]

Simon -

Matter was taken up with TCIS. Non-members are covered by liability insurance for three runs before membership is required and although you are not permitted to charge to go on runs, you are permitted to have a compulsary raffle which must be legit. It doesn't matter if the prise is a box of matches as long as there is a price. You can also charge for things such as maps. We've gone through all the right channels to ensure the committee and trip leaders are covered.

I'll forward you the name of the guy we spoke with so that you can confirm for the Logan club if you like.

The other way to have inter club runs is to have the run announced at General meetings of all clubs involved. Then any associate member is covered.

Carl Bishop
president@nbs4x4club.com

[Marshy]

Carl -

You are correct about non-members being covered for three runs before needing to join. Our club decided against that policy, purely because a particular individual could exploit the rule, and go on 3 runs as a driver, and 3 runs as a navvy. That's 6 runs, half the runs we put on for the year. Though, that policy may work very well for your club. If you are planning on doing a run each month, as the Logan Club does, I would reccommend against it. If you are only going to do the occasional run, then it should be cool.
As far as having a compulsory raffle, or charging for a map, we were told that if we do anything that means someone MUST pay money in order to do the run, that is classed as charging an entry fee, and you're back to the original problem. They said we can have raffles, and food and drinks at the start and/or finish, but we can not make it compulsory for people to have to buy them. Now, in saying that, if a non-member was to offer your club a donation, that is fine so long as they recieve a reciept for it. Once again, this has to be of their own free will, and not compulsory.
Something else that we were told is, we can do an invitational run. For example, we are thinking of doing our November Xtreme night run as an invitational. We can invite whoever we want, or think will be good on the run, but we don't charge a red cent for the night. Everybody is covered then.
I spoke with Ken Bradey from TCIS Insurances head office in Adelaide directly. He is in charge of all Association 4WD club's insurance matters.

If the three-runs policy is viable for you guys to use, awesome. I hope your night run is successful. Just not too successful, as it is on the same night as ours. I don't want to see Logan guys ditching our run for yours!!!

Thanks Carl.

[Pinball]

Are lockers/winch required?

And what is expected end time?

Spock

[Toj0]

No worries Simon, I'll check up on the compulsary raffle thing again. Obviously the left hands not talking to the right.

As for the date clash, sorry about that too, just trying to get a nav run in before Logan challenge.

If I don't see you before hand I'll catch up with you at the challenge,

Carl.

Pinball, -

I haven't done the run yet but been told it's an easy / medium run. A stocker will have great fun trying to get through everything, but there are some 'FUN' options. I don't know if lockers will be needed for these options, but a winch isn't necessary.

[gurumon]

would be keen to attend in a bloke from work's wrangler...

are non zook's welcome?

speaking as a newb - what exactly does a nav run entail? i'm picturing some kind of orienteering from within a vehicle? is a gps required?

[Marshy]

Carl -

Don't worry about the date clash dude, I was just having a dig. It's near on impossible these days to put something on without clashing with something else. I had Bathurst and Indy to contend with when I set the date for the L.C.
As far as the raffles, and charging for maps, I was just sharing with you what info we had already been through when all this liablity sh*t blew up with us. Hope it all works out for you guys.

Simon.

[Pup]

bugger!!! is it road works or the fact that the air show is on the same weekend?

was looking forward to scaring the sh*t outta my dad, who was gonna nav for me

[83 lux]

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=26414
logan run is still on thou (sorry for the hijack)

[Gutless]

bugger!!! is it road works or the fact that the air show is on the same weekend?

was looking forward to scaring the sh*t outta my dad, who was gonna nav for me

From what I have read, its cozza the airshow. A new date will be set soon (prolly after the logan challenge) so check this thread again soon.

Pete

[Gutless]

this run is now on the 13th of November.

Pete

[becky]

Haven't been on a night nav for, literally, years! Are they still the same old same ole ie chicken scratch map, that cause huge domestics? Is it easy enough to bring the whole family? Are passengers allowed? If the patrol survives Mud Bulls, I wouldn't mind doing this run.

[Pup]

this still on?

[antt]

thats what i want to know?

[gurumon]

http://www.nbs4x4club.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=545&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

by the looks of that it's still on...

and it better bloody be on cos i plan on going

[antt]

hmmmm, gotta try and balance the mongrels this week so i can run them out there.

[Rangie Wrecker]

Hey fellas, you might want to consider the fact that the Logan annual extreme run is on the 13th and is open to everyone, see link below. I don't think it will effect us as we look like getting a great roll up but it would have been nice to see you guys there.

Andy

http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modul ... hp?t=29615

[Pup]

yeah the last time this event was scheduled it was on the same night as a logan run,


anyways is all this rain gonna effect the rating of this run? cos it was meant to be easy/medium and im only running a stock sierra.

[Gutless]

Ok everyone, the run is DEFINATELY still on.

Rain has made a few tracks a little sliprer, but the rating is the same. Risk of any real damage has not increased cause of the weather. However if you drive like a knob, then you get what you deserve

As for the date, we had to pick a nigth that fitted in with the nbs events schedule. So appologies to those who wanted to go on this run, but was unavoidable.

Please visit the website if you have any questions, as I don't get on outerlimits as often as I would like.

Cheers
Pete

[Gutless]

Just a reminder to those who wish to come on this trip.

PLEASE reply so that we know roughly how many maps etc. to print out.

Pete

[coiled]

would have liked to have come on the Logan Run. Im keen to promote interclub outings. I think that clubs that are officially members of the association should be working together as a team as mates. no one else will fight to keep our recreation alive and there are a lot who would love to kill it. For that reason I dont think clubs should compete against or bag other clubs unless it in light heart or behind the wheel at events like logan challenge or night navs etc. members of a club in the association can attend the events of another club in the assoc without comprimising insurance provided the members club makes it an official event to attend the other clubs run. I know I miss the big turn outs on night runs from all the clubs around brissie and clubs must be feeling the hurt of missing 10 bucks out of each rig plus drinks and food. Oh Marshy this isn't a dig back about this particular event clash. I believe some of your members are coming who aren't up for an extreme run and I hope some of our members will go on yours. Unfortunately it looks as though I am running a stage for our club on sat night so I wont be able to make your run. Have a great night.

just two bobs worth or was that 3

[Cruiser]

We had a GOOD night thanks to all the organisers . Few interesting spots on the track between the checkpoints .

John

[Gutless]

Would have been better if it hadn't rained all week prior. Thanks to those who showed up, hope you all enjoyed yourselves.

Pete

PS. I like Micheals idea of interclub runs. I am not having a go or anything, but I know for a fact that the Logan club would get alot more people on their night runs if you didn't have to join the club. If what coiled was saying is true; that members of associated clubs are covered by the same insurance; then the turn outs would be heaps better if clubs organised to have joint meetings every now and then......

JMO

[Rangie Wrecker]

Would have been better if it hadn't rained all week prior. Thanks to those who showed up, hope you all enjoyed yourselves.

Pete

PS. I like Micheals idea of interclub runs. I am not having a go or anything, but I know for a fact that the Logan club would get alot more people on their night runs if you didn't have to join the club. If what coiled was saying is true; that members of associated clubs are covered by the same insurance; then the turn outs would be heaps better if clubs organised to have joint meetings every now and then......

JMO

You may be on to something fellas. If you are covered as a club trip attending another clubs trip then that is a way of making it work. The problem is it can start s#it fights as I have seen this kind of thing attempted in the past. "Our club is doing all the work and your club do SFA", that kind of thing.

You ran an easy medium run and we ran an extreme and lets face it niether side would want to be at the other so why make an issue out of it? We ran a monthly night run for twenty years with the November run always being the big one until we were told by our insurance that we had to cater for members only or we were being classed as "event organisers".

If what you are saying is true then with the exception of a couple of runs a year it should work.

Andy

[Pesky Pete]

You ran an easy medium run and we ran an extreme and lets face it niether side would want to be at the other so why make an issue out of it?
Andy

Not quite right Andy. I really wanted to come on your run and Pm'd asking if I could bring my comp rig along and you said no to unregistered vehicles So I took my 80 series on NBS run and had an absolute ball with my family and other mates that came along on the NBS run. A Big to NBS for a very well put together, very professional run.

Shame to hear after the event that there were buggies on your run anyway

[Marshy]

Shame to hear after the event that there were buggies on your run anyway

Pete, there were no buggies on the Logan Night Run. I believe Tony (RUFF) had, or was planning on, having his out there as a recovery vehicle on a CP, but that's very different to competing. Our insurance policy will only cover us if the competing vehicles hold a current registration as a passenger vehicle. I'm not sure where you heard that there was buggies on the run, but don't believe it, as it's simply not true.

Thanks mate.