Rollbar/cage requirements??

Post by **SAWZALL** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:58 pm

Anyone know where I can find the RTA's requirements for rollcage's??/

I'm sure it used to be on their site but now I can't find it??? :?:

Post by **ToNkA** » Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:24 pm

Here is the Vic Roads info: http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/vrne/vrn ... 1BCD2A5F8F

Post by **SAWZALL** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:00 am

Wow..your allowed a full cage and no engineers cert is req'd (if you obey there guidelines)

From what I remember, RTA "discourages" full cages.....

Post by **robbie** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:47 am

well if it makes your vehicle safer in a roll over accident, and is done properly - then I dont see why there should be any engieering certs, or full cages 'not allowed'..

obviously there needs to be room to get out of your vehicle in a fire or something, and enough room so your head doesn't smack into a bar (if you have an accident).

that is one thing I agree with vic roads about

Post by **SAWZALL** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:23 pm

I was speaking to an "engineer" at the RTA(????) last year who said that the problem was that emergency services had issues with vehicles with "added protection" as their cutting jaws could not open far enough to cut a cage????

Post by **Surfection** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:32 pm

I just got back from the engineers this morning, of all the things done to the surf i got knocked back on two things..... Rear flares need to be slightly wider and rear seats need to be taken out. He said with the rollcage crosing over the rear seats in a /\ towards the outsides of the rear part of the wagon, the car has to be a two seater, i don't know why.... i've got padding everywhere and the bars arn't that close to the passengers heads.... but hey, who am i to argue :roll:

. So i'll take them out and maybe they'll just happen to go back in there at some stage :wink:
I've got pics of the cage on my camera, when i have a chance i'll post them up. Cheers, Jeremy

Post by **Wendle** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:13 pm

Surfection wrote:I just got back from the engineers this morning, of all the things done to the surf i got knocked back on two things..... Rear flares need to be slightly wider and rear seats need to be taken out. He said with the rollcage crosing over the rear seats in a /\ towards the outsides of the rear part of the wagon, the car has to be a two seater, i don't know why.... i've got padding everywhere and the bars arn't that close to the passengers heads.... but hey, who am i to argue . So i'll take them out and maybe they'll just happen to go back in there at some stage :wink:
I've got pics of the cage on my camera, when i have a chance i'll post them up. Cheers, Jeremy

The report will say something like "the seating capacity has been reduced to two (2) persons following removal of the rear seat and seat belts".
If you then get pulled up with the rear seat back in, you will get hammered :(

Post by **N*A*M** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:17 pm

once you have bars encroaching in to rear passenger space, it'll have to be registered as a 2 seater. if you're busted with more seats than what you're supposed to have, then you'll be dixed. if the bars only go down the middle section, see if he'll pass it as a 4 seater.

i spent last night reading up on all the rules there. flares have pretty stringent rulings.

anyway, good work getting the rest of it past the engineer. he's happy with suspension mods?

Post by **robbie** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:20 pm

off the topic sorta, why are the rules on flares so tight?

Post by **N*A*M** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:26 pm

i guess they deem it affects the visibility and thus safety of other road users.

i know when i rode my motorbike, i was glad certain cars didn't spray much water. but some were real shockers and you'll be blinded.

funny how they talk about "air/water separator device" and they're just referring to bristles around the rim of the flares on trucks. haha!

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:46 pm

spray is not affected by flares, but tyre types, vehicle weights, and stuff

Post by **hophoar** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:28 pm

Wendle wrote:
Surfection wrote:I just got back from the engineers this morning, of all the things done to the surf i got knocked back on two things..... Rear flares need to be slightly wider and rear seats need to be taken out. He said with the rollcage crosing over the rear seats in a /\ towards the outsides of the rear part of the wagon, the car has to be a two seater, i don't know why.... i've got padding everywhere and the bars arn't that close to the passengers heads.... but hey, who am i to argue . So i'll take them out and maybe they'll just happen to go back in there at some stage :wink:
I've got pics of the cage on my camera, when i have a chance i'll post them up. Cheers, Jeremy

The report will say something like "the seating capacity has been reduced to two (2) persons following removal of the rear seat and seat belts".
If you then get pulled up with the rear seat back in, you will get hammered :(

Jeremy, you didn't happen to ask how you could get the cage engineered and still be a 4 seater, maybe a rectangle from the drivers over the passengers and then have the down tubes.

John.

Post by **Surfection** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:30 pm

Nam, I was spewin about the seats, should have looked into it a bit more, it's a long drive from pennant hills to minto

...... But i'm not too fazed about it being a two seater, just means i can build a decent set of draws/bed setup in there now !! But it would have been surprising if he had of faulted the suspension, it's driving like an absolute dream, sam got me in some dobbinsons 4" lift heavy duty 80 springs, and they're perfect, being stiffer in the back has made the front behave much nicer too, i took it up to 110 easily today and she tracks perfectly. The 5.71's make a huge difference as well, can't wait to get it in the rocks !!! Very happy

John, I'll remember to ask him for you, i'm gonna take it back probably on monday so i'll be able to tell you then.

Post by **SAWZALL** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:27 pm

Went a saw a mate that builds drag cars for a living and he lent me this little circular guide. It gets placed in the drivers seat and indicates where the cage can and can't be. Main hoop must be 873 mm from a hole in the circle (but not in the middle of the circle???)

Full cages are "not actively encouraged" but they treat each vehicle on it;s merits. Being a soft top works in your favour as far as a full cage is concerned.

Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:31 pm

that guide of your mates would be for CAMS/ANDRA rules, not RTA

Post by **SAWZALL** » Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:42 pm

na it's straight out of the old "code of light vehicle modifications" book. I looked at the page and it explains how to make it..

Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:03 pm

cool, i knew cams/andra had those guidlines but i thought it was up to the engineer to say yes or no for rta approval.

Post by **SAWZALL** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:15 pm

This is what I'm copying. What do you think??? :shock:

Post by **moose** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:23 pm

slightly overboard !!!!
do you need that much ????
wat are you getting into !!!
rock crawling
or high speed desert stuff ??? :finger:

Post by **SAWZALL** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:38 pm

Do you think that guy has been in a big roll? Not only the cage, look at the track!!!

Post by **moose** » Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:41 pm

COG with the spare up there would be great !!!!!
(insert sarcasm)
:finger:

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:09 am

moose wrote:COG with the spare up there would be great !!!!!
(insert sarcasm)

Just imagine trying to lift it up there too :shock:

Post by **Marshy** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 6:04 pm

This guy planning on hillclimbing his way of the farken Grand Canyon or what????? :shock:

How to add a s**tload of weight to the top half of your car. Lesson 1......

Post by **SAWZALL** » Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:41 pm

It would be easy to get the spare up there. When the top heavy POS fell over, just bolt it on!!

Post by **bj on roids** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:10 am

uphiir wrote:This is what I'm copying. What do you think???

that is 71rockcruiserryan from wicked fab i think despite being overkill his cages are cool! 8)

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