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Guide to tweaking Tdi's

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Guide to tweaking Tdi's

Post by TuffRR »

The Land Rover Tdi is not a bad motor, reasonable power and torque (as long as the turbo is on) and bloody good fuel economy. That said, it could certainly do with a bit more oomph, particularly after you start adding weight to the vehicle or add bigger tyres.
I've recently upgraded the bald 29" road tyres that came with mine with some 235/85/16 Muddies (courtesy of 4wdTV :P ) and noticed that it lacked a fair bit mid and upper range after the upgrade. Being used to the V8 in the Rangie, i decided that something had to be done......

The tdi utilises a Bosch VE injection pump which is used on a number of diesel vehicles. There are some very easy mods which can be done to these which have a marked impact on performance. Note that these mods will raise your EGT and should only be performed if you know what you're doing, if you f*ck anything up, you could destroy your motor!!!

Firstly, check out this image....

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This shows what the the injection pump looks like, note where the smoke adjustment screw is and the diaphragm, these are the important bits.

On this top bit is something that looks like a welsh plug, this can be removed by levering out with a small screw driver. Under this plug is the smoke screw which is a T25 torx bit surrounded by a 13mm locknut. Undo the nut, and now mark the position of the torx screw. This is can be quite tight.
Turn this screw between 1 and 1.5 turns clockwise. I turned mine 1 full rotation (360 degrees) to err on the safe side before i install an EGT gauge. Adjusting this will improve the low manifold boost pressure responsiveness.

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The next step is to remove the cover held down by four screws (see above photo). This will allow access to the diaphagm and star wheel.
Once removed mark the position of the diaphagm. The diaphragm can now be pulled out. You will note that the bottom of the pin is not symmetrical. By rotating the diaphragm approximately 90 degrees clockwise you will improve full throttle response.

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While you have the diaphagm removed you should be able to see the starwheel. Rotating this clockwise increases the tension on the spring which improves the fuel load delivery rate. Again, note the position of the star wheel. Rotate approximately 180 degrees.

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Now put back together and see how much it smokes. There should not be much black smoke as this indicates unburnt diesel and most likely high EGT's. These settings can be tweaked more but do so at your own risk. High EGT's will kill a diesel! You have been warned! :twisted:

Check out LRE for further discussion on this. I got most of my info from there but a lot of it was not very clear.

Also, for more info....
http://dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/more_power/Power_ve.htm
http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/jag/vw/en ... jpump.html

Good luck, it will really transform your Tdi. Mine goes as good as a Td5 now and is much safer and more enjoyable to drive.
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Post by DaveS3 »

Nice write up - good learning about Diesels / TDi's as i have no clue.

Add it to the Tech Sticky thread?

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Post by cols110 »

Nice description and photo`s, all you need to do now is add a bigger intercooler and an EGT gauge.
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Post by morkz »

i did this to my disco

got it done at Diesel Tech in lilydale for under $400 bucks

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Post by TuffRR »

morkz wrote:got it done at Diesel Tech in lilydale for under $400 bucks



:rofl: I got it done for $9.96 (had to buy a bigger screwdriver for the diaphragm cover). :roll:
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Post by justinC »

I do lots of them, and I would again stress the importance of a EGT Gauge(Pyrometer) when setting up.

Check out www.thermoguard.com.au he is based in ALice springs and has some excellent gear, He initially developed it for his own Tdi Disco.

DONT BE GREEDY!!!!
Too much heat will kill these engines, melt exhaust turbines and ruin the hardened pistons in the Tdi VERY QUICKLY.

Also check out www.bankspower.com in the US.
Gale Banks has done some awesome Hi-Po diesel tuning and has a good write up on max allowable EGT's etc.

I usually findout what sort of use the customer wants out of their Tdi first, IE towing, street drags, etc ( I'm not kidding, 205R16's and a defender transfer case ratio in a lightened auto Tdi disco IS very quick through the gears!) and tailor fuelling to suit.
The intercooler option is a good idea, with anything over 16 PSi boost and a sustained 700DegC EGT, then bigger coolers are required.
I usually aim for a sustained duty cycle of around 600degC, as most aren't likely to spend Too much time at these full load conditions, and must be measured UPSTREAM of the Turbo charger.

Check out the above websites for more info.
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Post by morkz »

TuffRR wrote:
:rofl: I got it done for $9.96 (had to buy a bigger screwdriver for the diaphragm cover). :roll:


nice but i did mine on a dyno and saw where i got the results i picked up

i went from 34kw to 55kw at the rear wheels. plus i made sure EGT were down
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Post by TuffRR »

Some good links there Justin, the thermogaurd looks like a good product.


Also, what sort of intercoolers do you use when upgrading? Do you find that fuel consumption remains similar after the upgrades (ignoring the tendency to put the boot in a bit more).
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Post by 110 TUFF »

great pics have been wanting to do this for ages but havent been keen on having a go with out knowing what im looking at properly. yeah, what intercoolers are people using in there trucks?

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Post by Bush65 »

Also notice in the 3rd photo , from marks that the fuel pin has made on the taper, that the taper pin is not travelling fully down. The stroke can be increased by removing/modifying the stop/spacer below the diaphram.

I have the thermoguard kits for my 300TDi and 4BD1T diesels. They are pretty good IMHO. Especially for 300TDi discos - thermocouple mounts using EGR blanking plate and digital display fits neatly into disco dash.
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Post by TuffRR »

Bush65 wrote: I have the thermoguard kits for my 300TDi and 4BD1T diesels. They are pretty good IMHO. Especially for 300TDi discos - thermocouple mounts using EGR blanking plate and digital display fits neatly into disco dash.


Whereabouts have you mounted the display? I've had a quick look and no where obvious sticks out. It looks like it could be quite conspicuous and i dont want it distracting me at night.
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Post by Bush65 »

TuffRR wrote:
Bush65 wrote: I have the thermoguard kits for my 300TDi and 4BD1T diesels. They are pretty good IMHO. Especially for 300TDi discos - thermocouple mounts using EGR blanking plate and digital display fits neatly into disco dash.


Whereabouts have you mounted the display? I've had a quick look and no where obvious sticks out. It looks like it could be quite conspicuous and i dont want it distracting me at night.


Mine is in an early rangie, not so convenient.

Have a look here http://www.thermoguard.com.au/
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