Troopy wont start

Post by **toyotroop** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:13 pm

I have a hj47 and it wont start, the battery is full and the glow plugs click as normal, but when you turn the key further to kick it up it just clicks..... now the single click doesent come from the starter motor, it comes from behind the glove box area... is it the alt regulator thats stuffed? any one got a clue? cos i havnt.... thanks.

Post by **Major60** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:25 pm

Lots of relays in the passenger kick panel that run the start sequence. Get a manual and work it out, not hard, just takes time

Post by **plowy** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:34 pm

If you bridge the starter motor terminals will the starter work ?

just to isolate its not a faulty starter

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:14 pm

mine did that for ages. was low oil pressure. has it got oil?

Post by **blackhj** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:12 am

Just today my HJ45 wouldn't start, then it took up smoking! It was from around the glove box area aswell. The starter motor was actually clicking, but there was nothing convincing about it. After much rooting around I found a combined Glow plug and Starter relay hidden in there with the wiring to it looking rather cooked. I so far have unwrapped the loom a bit and seperated the wires going to it and it is working again, there is definately something more sinister going on though. As soon as I get my hands on a wiring diagram, I'll be able to figure that out, the question is do the 47's run a similar setup and could it be the same problem? P.M. me if you want to chat or have some diagrams!!

Post by **skootin** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 12:33 pm

starter relay could be it or contacts in starter motor sticking

Post by **toyotroop** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 4:58 pm

The plot thickens... i got up this morning and it started first pop... twice!.. now it wont start again :cry:

same as before. now if it is the starter why start twice then not work anymore? oil level is good.. pressure when it did start was good.. Battery is full... i can easily hear the glow plugs switch on/off.. i get a loud ping from the glove box area when i flick the key all the way and ive traced that noise to the alt/reg on the fire wall in engine bay ive got the old man coming over in the morning see if we cant suss the prob.... let yas know how it works out. thanks for help everyone

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 5:18 pm

sometimes when the starter brushes stuff up, they wear down in particular places, when these line up, no dice, when they don't, it'll start

Post by **blackhj** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:10 pm

bad_religion_au wrote:sometimes when the starter brushes stuff up, they wear down in particular places, when these line up, no dice, when they don't, it'll start

That sounds more like a damaged/dirty commutator then brushes!

Post by **Major60** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:14 pm

Play with your starter if you like but it is the relays in the passenger side kick panel that you need to work on.

The system is very very similar across the 40/60/70 series vehicles.

Get a manual.....

Post by **chopper** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:14 pm

long shot...

with the old girl in gear, just rock it back and forth and give it another go, when my starter was dying years ago, this would get it going every time, apparently it just helped to make contact somewhere in the starter, coz once it started turning it was fine!!!

like I said, long shot

Post by **blackhj** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:49 pm

Major60 wrote:Play with your starter if you like but it is the relays in the passenger side kick panel that you need to work on.

The system is very very similar across the 40/60/70 series vehicles.

Get a manual.....

Mines coming in on Tuesday or Wednesday!

What do you mean by "work on"?

Post by **Major60** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:59 pm

The relays run the starting sequence. Glow, power to starter, check water temp, chcek oil temp , overinject, glow off, over inject off etc ( & not all in that order). It will be the relays that are the problem. IF you don't have a manual check out/search the arkive of the Diesel Toyota Land Cruisers (DTLC) list. This problem is common as........

Post by **Major60** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:02 pm

chopper wrote:long shot...

with the old girl in gear, just rock it back and forth and give it another go, when my starter was dying years ago, this would get it going every time, apparently it just helped to make contact somewhere in the starter, coz once it started turning it was fine!!!

like I said, long shot

Yep thii happens when the starter is "polling in the field" IE: When the coil that makes the starter rotate when excited by current isn't lined up with the magents that provide he other magnetic field spin. Caused by worn bushed on the main shaft.

Post by **toyotroop** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:20 pm

Ok first of all i think its something in the starter relay.. from what you say major60 this sounds about right.... i am going to borrow/beg/steal a workshop manual tomorrow. im confused as to where this starter relay is cos my 47 dont have a kick pannel.... AAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH! i just went out and the mongrel started.. warmed it up... shut it down.. tryed to start it and..............CLICK! but one thing i did notice is that all the dash lights fade away when i tryed to kick it up the second time..... OH WHAT A FEELING.. :lol:

Post by **blackhj** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:37 pm

toyotroop wrote:Ok first of all i think its something in the starter relay.. from what you say major60 this sounds about right.... i am going to borrow/beg/steal a workshop manual tomorrow. im confused as to where this starter relay is cos my 47 dont have a kick pannel.... AAAAAARRRRRGGGHHHH! i just went out and the mongrel started.. warmed it up... shut it down.. tryed to start it and..............CLICK! but one thing i did notice is that all the dash lights fade away when i tryed to kick it up the second time..... OH WHAT A FEELING..

Just wondering if you read the contribution I made about a similar problem I had on the same day you first posted? With mine the imeadiate problem was the wiring to the relay melting down, unwrapping the loom and splitting the wires up has solved it short term. When I get a diagram through the week, I will have a better chance of finding what is drawing so much current that the wiring started to melt in the first place. The Major says they are all pretty similar so you might want to check your loom!! :armsup:

P.S. you have found your glow plug and starter relays or relay, haven't you?

Post by **Major60** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:37 pm

A bit of time and a clear head and you will work it out I am sure. When you do celebrate with these.

http://www.bumpernuts.com/

Post by **blackhj** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:41 pm

Major60 wrote:A bit of time and a clear head and you will work it out I am sure. When you do celebrate with these.

http://www.bumpernuts.com/

That's seriously different! Yet some how very funny, I wonder if they are marketed by a Welsh Rugby fan?

Post by **skootin** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:00 am

The starter relay on a 47 is behind the black duct on the firewall l/h footwell.
Black HJ The starter relay is there to power the solenoid in the starter motor the reason you burnt the wire is because of to much current got hot melt wire
If the starter relay was dead do you think it would still work after being fried.
There is also contacts in the ignition switch.
Try bypassing wiring to starter next time it doesn't work
Clicking from starter is the contacts.
Contacts in the starter soleniod will be worn and are available from most auto electrical suppliers.
The old 47 will be starting to wear electrical things out fairly regulary.

Have you been through water recently.

Post by **bad_religion_au** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:18 pm

Major60 wrote:
Yep thii happens when the starter is "polling in the field" IE: When the coil that makes the starter rotate when excited by current isn't lined up with the magents that provide he other magnetic field spin. Caused by worn bushed on the main shaft.

this is what i was trying to describe

Post by **toyotroop** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:37 pm

Well i went over the whole shebang with a multi-meter and an exelent workshop manual (Hint.. havent got a workshop manual for your fourby and dont have much cash... go to your local library they have heaps and its FREE to borow.. ) everything checked out nicely no probs.. went to kick her up and click nothing.. so i pulled the lead to the starter off and it looked like shit, so i wire brushed it stuck it back on and YYYEEEAAAHHH! she has kicked up just fine ever since... cost... $0 YA GOTTA LOVE A 40 EH! just keep the contacts clean.. :lol:

Post by **chopper** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:37 pm

toyotroop, where'bouts in the wide bay???

Post by **toyotroop** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:52 pm

RUM give you a clue

Post by **chopper** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:29 pm

Bundy then?? :cool:

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