FJ45 + v6 engine???

[CC]

Hello,

I'm looking around for some information on v6 conversions to FJ45s, I noticed on Marks 4WD Adapters site that there were no V6 conversion for Fj45 and I was curious if there has been any v6 conversion(Commodore engine + auto box?) since I was thinking of going Hilux and I would prefer to drive something bigger and tough so I thought of FJ45 which would be a good option for my first 4wd.

Also has there been any Holden 253 + autobox conversions on FJ45s? If there has, how much does it cost to do a complete conversion using 253 engine.

Thank you

CC

[andrewfarmer]

v6? - I wouldn't bother - either keep the straight 6 (best option), or put a decent V8 in it (that's at least a 308 or 350)

[plowy]

IF you go v8 go injected unless you run gas

[bad_religion_au]

yup.. v6 commo motor won't make the torque you need or want for the weight

[slosh]

Pat's v6 conversions (Moree?) do a V6 to turbo Bundera box which uses same split t case as 40 series but has different outer case to it I think, same for Dellow and CRS. I thought Marks did ada[ptor for the V6 auto to cruiser t case? Since Mark's own bundera has v6 in it.

edit: so if you were to sourve Bundera t case u should be able to put auto in.

[bad_religion_au]

Pat's v6 conversions (Moree?) do a V6 to turbo Bundera box which uses same split t case as 40 series but has different outer case to it I think, same for Dellow and CRS. I thought Marks did ada[ptor for the V6 auto to cruiser t case? Since Mark's own bundera has v6 in it.

edit: so if you were to sourve Bundera t case u should be able to put auto in.

isn't a bundera hilux running gear?

[slosh]

Pat's v6 conversions (Moree?) do a V6 to turbo Bundera box which uses same split t case as 40 series but has different outer case to it I think, same for Dellow and CRS. I thought Marks did ada[ptor for the V6 auto to cruiser t case? Since Mark's own bundera has v6 in it.

edit: so if you were to sourve Bundera t case u should be able to put auto in.

isn't a bundera hilux running gear?

Hilux diff centres (rear is offset), Hilux gearbox (G52) on petrol motors, R151 5 speed on turbo diesel, all have split transfer case (cruiser) but with lower gearing and unique case.

[80UTE]

Marks make a adaptors from Turbo 700 auto and for 4L60E to cruiser split transfer's so the Commo V6 auto's aint a problem .

Wally.

[Reddo]

Marks make a adaptors from Turbo 700 auto and for 4L60E to cruiser split transfer's so the Commo V6 auto's aint a problem .

Wally.

That’s what I’m thinking. Cant see why you cant use the auto out of the commie, and then a split t-case out of a later 40, or 60, which shouldn’t be an issue. And why wouldn’t a V6 have the torque? V6 commie motor should chit all over a cast iron block 2f (despite the ease of keeping a 2f in there). + have the added advantage of being lighter, and with far more parts available if you bust one.

[CC]

Marks make a adaptors from Turbo 700 auto and for 4L60E to cruiser split transfer's so the Commo V6 auto's aint a problem .

Wally.

That’s what I’m thinking. Cant see why you cant use the auto out of the commie, and then a split t-case out of a later 40, or 60, which shouldn’t be an issue. And why wouldn’t a V6 have the torque? V6 commie motor should chit all over a cast iron block 2f (despite the ease of keeping a 2f in there). + have the added advantage of being lighter, and with far more parts available if you bust one.

Wondering that myself, the v6 commodore motor has pretty much alot of grunt.

Also how much does a 308 chev on gas drink?

[bad_religion_au]

Marks make a adaptors from Turbo 700 auto and for 4L60E to cruiser split transfer's so the Commo V6 auto's aint a problem .

Wally.

That’s what I’m thinking. Cant see why you cant use the auto out of the commie, and then a split t-case out of a later 40, or 60, which shouldn’t be an issue. And why wouldn’t a V6 have the torque? V6 commie motor should chit all over a cast iron block 2f (despite the ease of keeping a 2f in there). + have the added advantage of being lighter, and with far more parts available if you bust one.

2f is 294nm 1800 at rpm.

quoted from http://www.birfield.com/modules.php?nam ... 05-04.html

ecotec is 304 Nm @ 3600 RPM

taken from http://www.users.on.net/~nweber/commodo ... tml#ecotec

notice you gotta rev the rings outta those suckers for torque delivery, compared to the lazy 2f which'll lug from 600 rpm all day long... mmm long stroke.

sounds like alot of work for 10NM gain.

[Ultima RB]

I remember considering this last year and Bad Religion helped me see the light.
http://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=44357

[CC]

What about Holden 253 motor? No one has said anything about it.

[bad_religion_au]

What about Holden 253 motor? No one has said anything about it.

is there a reason to consider a 253 over a 308 or 350 (or even ED straight 6)...

the 253s stock aren't that torquy are they?

[MissDrew]

I was GIVEN a VT V6 to put in my hilux, I still went and payed for a V8. V6 isn`t even good enough to use as a boat anka, just because it is a holden POS. I`d go the chev or a toyota V8.

[CC]

Then what's a good chev v8 motor(I don't want a engine that has alot of grunt. Just something that'll get us anywhere with ease) also whats the gas consumption using a v8 chev(308?)

[MissDrew]

I`d say a 350 chev would be the best as there are lots of them around and they are fairly cheap.

DAZ has a 383 (worked and stroked 350) chev in his 40 on straight gas, not certaim what milage he gets but I know it is fairly cheap to run.

[slosh]

LS 1's are more current version of the old 350 chev, all alloy, and can be had under 3 grand for a bare engine. All the accessories from the old chevs bolt straight onto them, and lots of cheap bits on ebay. They are supposed to be economical for their size but no figures available (except I know US corvette's get <10L/ 100km)

[MissDrew]

an conversion using an old 350 is going to be WAY!!!!!!!!!!!! cheaper then any LS1

[bad_religion_au]

and don't LS1's burn more oil than fuel?

[slosh]

an conversion using an old 350 is going to be WAY!!!!!!!!!!!! cheaper then any LS1

The main price difference between the new and old engine (seeing as rest of bolt up bits are the same). Put roller rockers, electronic ignition and a few other bits on an old reco 350 and you will prolly have spent more than LS1 second hand.
Wiring looms complete from Holden are $600. What more do u need?

and don't LS1's burn more oil than fuel?

Hope not.

[CC]

an conversion using an old 350 is going to be WAY!!!!!!!!!!!! cheaper then any LS1

The main price difference between the new and old engine (seeing as rest of bolt up bits are the same). Put roller rockers, electronic ignition and a few other bits on an old reco 350 and you will prolly have spent more than LS1 second hand.
Wiring looms complete from Holden are $600. What more do u need?

and don't LS1's burn more oil than fuel?

Hope not.

Is there anything price difference on 350 on gas and LS1(newish engines) running on gas(I'm talking about prices for engine parts/work)

[MissDrew]

You need

computer
loom
starter motor
alt
power steer pump
High prssour fuel pump
change ya fuel filler neck to an unleaded one.


You can buy a 350 with all the bits on it from under $1000. Or I have seen them advertised in mags fully rebuilt from around $1500 complete with all acess.

On top of that even if you had to pay an auto elec to wire these motors the 350 is going to be cheaper

[I.M.P.O.S.E]

You need

change ya fuel filler neck to an unleaded one.

Not needed anymore. No more leaded fuel!

[CC]

I'm not going to run petrol, I'd like to run it on gas is there any price difference between petrol and gas engines?

[andrewfarmer]

I'm not going to run petrol, I'd like to run it on gas is there any price difference between petrol and gas engines?

for gas you want lots of compression - I run 10.5:1 which is OK, but I've have prefered to get to 11 or 11.5

make sure whatever you use has hardened seats

[MissDrew]

You need

change ya fuel filler neck to an unleaded one.

Not needed anymore. No more leaded fuel!

Mate I only JUST got my hilux re engineered and regoed after changing from desiel to injected V8. One of the first things the engineer looked at was the filler neck. It was also one of the first things the guy that did the blue slip looked at.

When I say just I mean just, it got re registered on the 4th of November and the engineer only looked at it one week before that. So this was only just over 1 month ago.

[I.M.P.O.S.E]

You need

change ya fuel filler neck to an unleaded one.

Not needed anymore. No more leaded fuel!

Mate I only JUST got my hilux re engineered and regoed after changing from desiel to injected V8. One of the first things the engineer looked at was the filler neck. It was also one of the first things the guy that did the blue slip looked at.

When I say just I mean just, it got re registered on the 4th of November and the engineer only looked at it one week before that. So this was only just over 1 month ago.

My engineers report is for the 31st of October. Rego was on the 3rd of November. Mine was Diesel to v6

Report says,
NATURE OF MODIFICATIONS : V6 ENGINE FITTED
1. BLAH
2. BLAH
3. BLAH
4. BLAH
5. "ULP ONLY" LABEL FITTED TO FUEL FILLER FLAP.

Thats all I had to do. A print out on the computer.

Im not trying to argue with you. I know that you have done everytjhing right on your truck to to make it totally legal.
Its just I didnt need to do it for mine. Was just trying to tick one of the things of the guys list.