Fourbys 2006 Logan Challenge

[basketcase]

Time to get the ball rolling for this years logan challenge.

I have taken over this year from Julie and Simon. They have done a great job the last couple of years but want to have a go at competing this year.

At this point in time the date will be similar. Between Bathurst and Indy 14th and 15th of October.

I am yet to 100% confirm the venue, have to talk to one other park to make up my mind. But it will not be at Black Duck.

The format will stay pretty similar. May make a couple of small changes. But it will still be outback survival skills in a 5 car team. I don't want to move away from what the comp is about but just to spice it up a bit.

If any past competitors have any suggestions to make please do so. Anything you think we can improve on or should change.

I will not be accepting any entrys at this time. I will announce when entries will be accepted.

Dan

[cutzook]

too easy mate.

hopefully i will be there this year

[-Mandy-]

But it will not be at Black Duck.

I will be competing this year

[RV80]

But it will not be at Black Duck.

That could possibly be the best change you could make

[BIG GQ]

Sounds like we best go and defend the title Grant (RV) what you recon? Stripped tomato, big red, bj56, etc????

[antt]

bring a roll cage from what i've heard

[-Mandy-]

I heard this as well

[basketcase]

I heard this as well

bring a roll cage from what i've heard

I never said that. But I will be harder on rules and scrutineering in that area.

I am not going to turn this into an event only super mod cars can enter. Thats not what the comp is about. But I do want to make the driving stages more interesting.

Also I am looking for sponsors. Anyone interested please PM me or email dantrotman@optusnet.com.au

[RV80]

Sounds like we best go and defend the title Grant (RV) what you recon? Stripped tomato, big red, bj56, etc????

Sounds good to me

[Rod Dirt'e]

But if you have it at Landcruiser Park everyone in a timed event has to have a roll cage as so 1/1/06.

[basketcase]

But if you have it at Landcruiser Park everyone in a timed event has to have a roll cage as so 1/1/06.

Thats a good thing. But I am not considering using LCMP.

I am 90% sure on where it will be held. Just got to check out another park to make up my mind.

[STIKA]

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I never said that. But I will be harder on rules and scrutineering in that area.

What qualifications do you have or who will be conducting this scruntineering and what are there qualifications

[basketcase]

What qualifications do you have or who will be conducting this scruntineering and what are there qualifications

Whats a qualified person?? How do you deem them qualified to scrutineer??

Not that it should matter but my head scrutineer will be a mechanic.

Did you feel scrutineering was note up to standard in previous years?? This is the kind of stuff I want to know.

[STIKA]

I am not trying to be smart and i understand what you are trying to do

So what type of things would this Mechanic be scrutineering

How long would it take to scrutineer each vehicle

When would scrutineering be held


In Tough Tracks Challenge all that club scrutineers is recovery points, the rest of the vehicle is self scrutineered then the responsibility is on the driver not the club

[RUFF]

I am not trying to be smart and i understand what you are trying to do

So what type of things would this Mechanic be scrutineering

How long would it take to scrutineer each vehicle

When would scrutineering be held


In Tough Tracks Challenge all that club scrutineers is recovery points, the rest of the vehicle is self scrutineered then the responsibility is on the driver not the club

And what qualifications does the scrutineer have when inspecting the Recovery points in tough tracks?

[-Mandy-]

Tis' funnay for some reason

I think the reason for scrutinnrering being so important is so no-one turns up in some beat up old deathtrap and injures/kills themselves/others because their vehicle was not safe.

AND no matter what....IT will ALWAYS come back on the event organiser/s, no event organiser is safe if they want to rely on competitors to ensure their own safety of their vehicles.

If that is the way its played, it will only be a matter of time before someone gets sued.

dan, IMHO, I think that all vehicles should be checked, if the vehicles are safe/secure/not dodgy etc then the drivers will have nothing to worry about , and then it can't come back and bite you in the ass (as much ).

SAFETY FIRST

[antt]

if steve scrutineer's for you dan, noones car will pass. he could find a fault with a brand new benz if he tried hard enough

[Kymbo]

The scrutineering happened at about 8 oclock at night last time with a torch and much relying on driver honesty. This happened after we where all asked to have our cars there a day early.

I love the whole idea of a team challenge but nothing will get me back to this one after last years effort. If the competitors have to pull together as a team so should the organisers.

There was some very skewed judgement over the course of that weekend that made the tracks and the weather irrelevant.

No, I'm still not over it.

[-Mandy-]

No, I'm still not over it.

Cool well you've got almost a year too

I can see your point and agree as it was pretty much the same the year before as well, so this is why Dan is getting in early, to get as much feedback as possible.

This is what he wants to hear.

The scrutineering happened at about 8 oclock at night last time with a torch and much relying on driver honesty. This happened after we where all asked to have our cars there a day early.

So he knows the areas that need improving/looking at

I have no doubt that with Dan organising this and the way he is going about it, it will be sweet

[CQ Davo]

G'day Dan. Davo here from Team Confusion in Rocky. Is the new venue you are considering further south than Black Duck?

[STIKA]

I am not trying to be smart and i understand what you are trying to do

So what type of things would this Mechanic be scrutineering

How long would it take to scrutineer each vehicle

When would scrutineering be held


In Tough Tracks Challenge all that club scrutineers is recovery points, the rest of the vehicle is self scrutineered then the responsibility is on the driver not the club

And what qualifications does the scrutineer have when inspecting the
Recovery points in tough tracks?

Mechanical Engineer

[STIKA]

Tis' funnay for some reason

I think the reason for scrutinnrering being so important is so no-one turns up in some beat up old deathtrap and injures/kills themselves/others because their vehicle was not safe.

AND no matter what....IT will ALWAYS come back on the event organiser/s, no event organiser is safe if they want to rely on competitors to ensure their own safety of their vehicles.

If that is the way its played, it will only be a matter of time before someone gets sued.

dan, IMHO, I think that all vehicles should be checked, if the vehicles are safe/secure/not dodgy etc then the drivers will have nothing to worry about , and then it can't come back and bite you in the ass (as much ).



SAFETY FIRST

I agree with safety first

So where does all you experience come from Mandy

Obviously you have run events before.....not that i can remember

Obviously you have competed before... not that i can remember



These vehicle should all be road registered

5 cars to a team x 12 teams = 60 cars

@10 minutes a vehicle that make 6 hours with out a break for the scrutineer

I would hate to be the guys near the end

[RUFF]

Mechanical Engineer

And what tests can a mechanical engineer perform on site to assure that the recovery points are safe?


Only reason im asking is because it seams you think that Tough Tracks are doing it the right way and Dan is going the wrong way about it.

I defianatly think it is better if someone with some qualifications has a look over the entire vehicle to make sure there is nothing that is going to be an obvious problem. Rather then just checking that they used grade 8 bolts to hold the recovery hook on.

[-Mandy-]

What the fawk has that got do with anything. Since when did I say I was going to be running this event or any event....OH HANG ON....big fawkin surprise BUTTERCUP...I didn't

This is a thread about putting forward suggestions, since when is your opinion the be all and end all and only of what he SHOULD do, because it's YOUR way & the tough tracks way.

My post was not aimed at anyone, get ur head outta ya ass and smell the roses honey, it was a suggestion.

My experience is...I have seen many fawktards at events acting like dickheads in unsafe vehicles causing accidents, do I really need to go on.

Safety First....right Brett, you either agree or you don't.

[basketcase]

I think this had gotten a little out of hand here.

All I wanted was some ideas on what previous competitors thought could be improved. Not to critisise on how you think I am going to run this comp. After I have run the comp and done something wrong then you can critisise.

Stika it would not matter if I didn't have a mechanic helping with scrutineering, I just think he would have a much better idea of what to look for. I don't like the idea of self scrutineering because if something fawks up, it all comes back on me.

This is my first attempt at running a comp. I have run night runs and judged at quite a few comps now but want to get right into it and want to do it right.

Please everyone stay on topic.

[basketcase]

G'day Dan. Davo here from Team Confusion in Rocky. Is the new venue you are considering further south than Black Duck?

Sorry Davo there is a very good chance it will be a tad further than black duck. Please don't let this change your mind about entering this year.

[-Mandy-]

In my own opinion..As a previous competitor and future one, I would like to see the scrutineering time/s sorted so as there is no long waits/silly time frames etc but still have each car checked.

This may not be able to be helped but it seems to be the main concern.

In my own opinion..i think the venue change will also benefit without the bikes

[andy & di]

What no crotch rockets to waken by after only 1.5 hrs beauty sleep.R I P P E D O F F.............NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[83 lux]

What no crotch rockets to waken by after only 1.5 hrs beauty sleep.R I P P E D O F F.............NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whats that

[basketcase]

I want to further clarify what I am going to be hard on in the scrutineering area.

This year and more so in the future roll over protection will be looked at closer. I want to make sure that 4wds that need protection for obvious reasons have that and it is up to a certain standard. Plus every competitor will be wearing a helmet.

There is not going to be a mechanic doing a road worthy on your car.