suspension question with kindergarten pics

Post by **NICK** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:36 pm

this is your basic A-frame setup, like POS and afew others have.

Post by **RUFF** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:37 pm

Yes you are right.

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Post by **NICK** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:39 pm

now my question is, will this design be as effect and will it work?

In a hilux it is hard to run a good coil setup with out removing the fuel tank, which i really dont want to do. I have looked at calbahs and dont believe theres works all that well and think that this maybe a better fix.

Post by **NICK** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:41 pm

RUFF wrote:Yes you are right.

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see above

NICK

Post by **big red** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:46 pm

how about a panhard rod instead of the "A" frame

Post by **NICK** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:53 pm

yeah that has crossed my mind and seems like the easy option but from what i have seen coil suspension seems to work better without a panhard.

NICK

Website · Post by **killalux** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 8:53 pm

looks to me like it might not be real strong, but i could be wrong

Post by **N*A*M** » Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:05 pm

i think it will work fine if you build it well.

the a-frame is supposed to stop wrap and to prevent lateral diff movement. whether symmetrical or assymetrical, it should still do so.

bill forrest on the pirate did this and it worked.

Post by **Adman** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 7:01 am

The second design will not sufficiently prevent lateral movement of the axle.

Have you thought of triangulating the lower links at the chassis and running your upper links parallel ?

Cheers
Adman

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:20 am

Adman wrote:The second design will not sufficiently prevent lateral movement of the axle.

Have you thought of triangulating the lower links at the chassis and running your upper links parallel ?

Cheers
Adman

I think this might be better for you nick, cross the lower two over and mount say off your bash plate, even incorporate a skid for your rear diff or tailshaft.

run paralell uppers. or waht about converging the upper a-frame to the chassis and not over the diff?

Post by **bj on roids** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:23 am

N*A*M wrote:i think it will work fine if you build it well.

the a-frame is supposed to stop wrap and to prevent lateral diff movement. whether symmetrical or assymetrical, it should still do so.

bill forrest on the pirate did this and it worked.

that one pissy link wont stop side to side all that well.....

Post by **Area54** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:31 am

Hve you thought of a Watts linkage instead of a panhard?

Post by **grimbo** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:48 am

I know you said you didn't want to remove the fuel tank but it seem by doing that you can set the suspension up in a tried and true method. Moving or replacing your fuel tank with say a fuel cell might be the simpler mod than trying to work around it

Post by **Guy** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:44 am

That setup is very similar to the A frame 3 link rear that Spidertrax in the US do for the Zuks .. If the upper link is well made it should hold together.. but a properly triangulated upper would be preferable..

Also if you are goin that deep into the mods, you may as well move that tank and centre it under the vehicle blah blah blah ...

Website · Post by **Maggot4x4** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:57 am

Have a look at these and see what you think.

And if it is a early Hilux a GQ tank fits behind the rear X member.

Website · Post by **Maggot4x4** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 10:00 am

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Post by **planb** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 11:48 am

i have seen a conventional a frame used in a coiled 4runner, where the tank remained in the normal position and the A frame mounted to the standard mounts on the crossmember for the og upper arms.

the a frame reached over the axle and was tied in from behind. looked wierd but worked real well.

Post by **Ruggers** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 5:34 pm

have you seen the panhard rod set up on a falcon it keeps the diff centred even when raised or lowered. as it works by having two rods runing from the sides to a piviot in the middle of the diff. they work really effectly

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:15 pm

Ruggers wrote:have you seen the panhard rod set up on a falcon it keeps the diff centred even when raised or lowered. as it works by having two rods runing from the sides to a piviot in the middle of the diff. they work really effectly

That is the Watts linkage Area54 was talking about.

Post by **antt** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 6:47 pm

this is the watts linkage

Post by **RUFF** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:34 pm

Nick cant realy move the tank because he has bobbed his body and there is not enough room behind the diff. This is in a 4runner.

Antt that is an Airbag Set up is it?
Whats it in?

Post by **NICK** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:44 pm

RUFF wrote:Nick cant realy move the tank because he has bobbed his body and there is not enough room behind the diff. This is in a 4runner.

Antt that is an Airbag Set up is it?
Whats it in?

what ruff said, that is my main reason for not moving the tank, i have a tank that will fit in the back but it is only 40L and i fell that it puts to much weight behind the diff.

NICK

Post by **Bush65** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 8:48 pm

Adman wrote:The second design will not sufficiently prevent lateral movement of the axle.

Have you thought of triangulating the lower links at the chassis and running your upper links parallel ?

Cheers
Adman

I agree with the 1st comment.

The disadvantage of triangulated lower links and parallel upper links is a lower roll centre. That could be worse than disadvantage of panhard bar.

Post by **antt** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:25 pm

yep ruff, its a bag setup, its in the back of this lux

Post by **Roktruk** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:26 pm

Interesting looking set up. How come you've used the watts link as well as 4 control arms? It looks like this would limit articulation , but I suppose it keeps the diff centred under the vehicle.

Post by **antt** » Thu Jul 17, 2003 9:31 pm

Roktruk wrote:Interesting looking set up. How come you've used the watts link as well as 4 control arms? It looks like this would limit articulation , but I suppose it keeps the diff centred under the vehicle.

it's not meant for articulation, it's in the back of that lux that i posted a pic of. the only reason the lower control arms are there are to mount the airbags to, to create a cantaliever setup to get bigger lift out of the rear bags. i'll try and find a pic with the back fully inflated

Post by **bj on roids** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 8:19 am

antt wrote:
Roktruk wrote:Interesting looking set up. How come you've used the watts link as well as 4 control arms? It looks like this would limit articulation , but I suppose it keeps the diff centred under the vehicle.

it's not meant for articulation, it's in the back of that lux that i posted a pic of. the only reason the lower control arms are there are to mount the airbags to, to create a cantaliever setup to get bigger lift out of the rear bags. i'll try and find a pic with the back fully inflated

with the triangulated uppers what is the sense in having the panhard rod? just out of curisoity?

Post by **MKPatrolGuy** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 11:17 am

bj on roids wrote:
antt wrote:
Roktruk wrote:Interesting looking set up. How come you've used the watts link as well as 4 control arms? It looks like this would limit articulation , but I suppose it keeps the diff centred under the vehicle.

it's not meant for articulation, it's in the back of that lux that i posted a pic of. the only reason the lower control arms are there are to mount the airbags to, to create a cantaliever setup to get bigger lift out of the rear bags. i'll try and find a pic with the back fully inflated

with the triangulated uppers what is the sense in having the panhard rod? just out of curisoity?

I was just thinking the same thing...

Post by **planb** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:41 pm

all for show, just like the lowered lux

Post by **antt** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 2:08 pm

planb wrote:all for show, just like the lowered lux

thats what i think planb, i've never seen another airbagged truck anywhere with a watts link.....just something different i spose

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